Bloomsday tomorrow…

Not sure how often I am likely to get near the computer tomorrow, but it’s Bloomsday, ‘traditionally’ one of Slugger’s big celebratory occasions. So far as I recall this is the first time it has not happened on a weekday, so this year we may be slightly more subdued than normal. Others marking the occasion include: Declan; so will Kelly, if she can find time and energy. Anyway, I’ll try to throw a few tidbits on the fire… but if not, enjoy and have a good weekend whatever you’re doing…

  • ingram

    You too Mick, enjoy it.

    Martin

  • seanzmct

    I have always found it interesting that Joyce chose a Dublin Jew as his Everyman.

    The incident in Ulysses in Barney Kiernan’s pub when The Citizen (Michael Cusack-founder of the GAA) attacks Bloom,reminds us of a strain of violent xenophobia in Irish nationalism.

    We are also reminded that Sinn Fein was founded in 1904/5 and that its founder Arthur Griffith wrote in 1899 that Jews, Freemasons and pirates were the “Three Evil Influences” of the century and that Jews “detested soap and water”.

    Edward Joseph Martyn who was Sinn Fein’s first president was also a notorious anti-semite and misogynist who imagined an ideal Ireland without women in it.

    We are also reminded of the Sinn Fein-led pogrom against Jews in Limerick in 1904 and of the subsequent dalliances of iconic Sinn Feiners Sean Russell and Frank Ryan with Hitlerism.

    Then of course we are reminded of the fascistic strain in modern Sinn Fein in over-riding the democratic will of the Irish people for so long.

  • Ulick

    We are also reminded of the Sinn Fein-led pogrom against Jews in Limerick in 1904

    What a load of absolute rubbish. SF wasn’t formed until 1905, no matter what you might suggest, and even if they were about in 1904 they certainly were not established in Limerick. Even a cursory look at any of the history books will tell you that the “pogrom” i.e. boycott of Jewish shops was incited/organized by Father John Creagh of the Catholic Church. In all my years of visiting this site, that has to be the most pathetic attack on Sinn Fein I have ever witnessed – and that really takes some doing…

  • páid

    I’m home from the pub, sipping a Black Bush to neutralise the pints.

    I could murder some nutty gizzards.

  • austin

    Yep the Bloomsday thread has now descended into another boring anti-Sinn Fein diatribe.

    Like Mick, time to take a break from the boredom, only for a bit longer methinks-bye then. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  • Desmond

    Slugger,
    Have a good one and I hope its not a humid day with periodic downpours like we have had here and expect to have during the day.
    Des

  • seanzmct

    Ulick,

    I am surprised that such an authority as yourself on all things Sinn Fein does not know that the term “Sinn Fein” was first coined by Maire Butler in 1904 and that the founding principles of Sinn Fein were published in Griffith’s influential book Ressurection in Hungary in 1904.

    Father Creagh was at the forefront of the pogrom of Jews in Limerick but Griffith and other Sinners were at his back.

    Interestingly you do not try to defend Michael Cusack, Edward Joseph Martyn,Sean Russell or Frank Ryan.

    On Bloomsday it would do Sinn Fein no harm at all to re-visit and acknowledge the reactionary elements in its historical closet. An apology would be too much to hope for.

  • Mick Fealty

    Thanks Des… it’s cool and showering where I am, but it looks fairly miserable in Belfast, at least looking at the webcam outside City Hall.

    You are being just a little disingenuous there Austin. 😉 One ‘kneejerk’ reaction does not a thread-long diatribe make.

    But I could not agree more that when such automatic reactions appear, like the visceral anti Orange response on the Birthday Honours thread, they go a long way to souring the atmosphere without adding any noticeable substance to the debate.

    Sean,

    If you are determined to score political points on a literary thread, can you least try to give them a literary base and provide us with some references? A quotation or two? Some, “nutty gizzards, a stuffed roast heart, liver slices fried with crustcrumbs, fried hencod’s roes” or “grilled mutton kidneys”?

  • Cruimh

    A Joyce quotation

    “For either Sinn Fein or Imperialism will conquer the present Ireland. If the Irish programme did not insist on the Irish language I suppose I would call myself a nationalist. As it is, I am content to recognise myself an exile: and, prophetically, a repudiated one”

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0403/is_n3_v39/ai_14867739

  • CTN

    Whatever about Adams’ goof ups can we please remember that this thread was incepted to celebrate Bloomsday.

    I recently visited the city of Zurich were they take much pride in our own James Joyce who is buried there.

    In a related comment the Co founder of SF Bulmer Hobson (a protestant) is from the same town- Holywood, Co. Down were an other protestant- Basil Wilson translated Ulysees (the worlds best selling novel after all) into Irish.

    One wonders was the learned M.F.aware of such?

  • seanzmct

    OK Mick,

    Fair enough, but since when were literature and politics mutually exclusive domains in Ireland?

    Now for a quotation as requested. What about:-

    When the ultra nationalist Citizen(Michael Cusack founder of the GAA) asks Bloom, “What’s your nation”? he replies,”Ireland,I was born here in Ireland”.The response enrages the Citizen who threatens to “brain that Jewman”.

    Here also is a quotation from an article on Jews In Ireland by Prof. Robert Tracy.

    ” Bloom’s exclusion from the Citizen’s notion of Ireland and Irishness is one of the many exclusions that he suffers as he wanders through Dublin. Joyce slyly made Bloom a friend of Arthur Griffith at once a notorious anti-semite and editor of the United Irishman. Deploring the inequities of British rule over Ireland Griffith was simultaneously hostile to Ireland’s smallest and most vulnerable minority”.

    I am surprised that Slugger admin is so protective of Sinn Fein’s sensitivities about its well-documented ant-semitic historical tendencies.

  • Briso

    Posted by seanzmct on Jun 16, 2007 @ 05:12 PM
    >Now for a quotation as requested. What about:-

    >When the ultra nationalist Citizen(Michael
    >Cusack founder of the GAA) asks Bloom, “What’s
    >your nation”? he replies,”Ireland,I was born
    >here in Ireland”.The response enrages the
    >Citizen who threatens to “brain that Jewman”.

    I suggest you look up the word quotation.
    —————————-

    Bloom was talking and talking with John Wyse and he quite excited with his dunducketymudcoloured mug on him and his old plumeyes rolling about.

    — Persecution, says he, all the history of the world is full of it. Perpetuating national hatred among nations.

    — But do you know what a nation means? says John Wyse.

    — Yes, says Bloom.

    — What is it? says John Wyse.

    — A nation? says Bloom. A nation is the same people living in the same place.

    — By God, then, says Ned, laughing, if that’s so I’m a nation for I’m living in the same place for the past five years.

    So of course everyone had a laugh at Bloom and says he, trying to muck out of it:

    — Or also living in different places.

    — That covers my case, says Joe.

    — What is your nation if I may ask, says the citizen.

    — Ireland, says Bloom. I was born here. Ireland.

    The citizen said nothing only cleared the spit out of his gullet and, gob, he spat a Red bank oyster out of him right in the corner.

    — After you with the push, Joe, says he, taking out his handkerchief to swab himself dry.

  • I had a less than satisfactory Bloomsday weekend. I was supposed to be going for a 30th birthday piss-up in Leeds, and instead spent 4 hours in the City Airport, before it was announced that the flight was “very unlikely” to depart. It transpired the next morning that in order to scotch any refunds / transfers they managed to get the plane airbourne just inside the 5 hours (after the vast majority of passengers had given up).

    Anyhoo, having had a number of pints to pass the time, I headed home and tackled some wine and more beer which precipitated an argument with the girlfriend about whether I was drunk or not, the flimsy evidenced she was that (in her subjective opinion) I could no longer either speak or stand properly.

    This debate being inconclusively resolved there then arose a sticking point as to whether or not I should bring a bottle of beer to bed. Given an ultimatum that I could come to bed or drink it and forfeit that comfort, but that on no account would the beer be present in the bedroom, I elected to chose my true love …. the beer.

    Somewhat chastened and hangdog I spent Saturday afternoon watching a dreadfully acted version of Dancing at Lughnasa in the Lyric, when I should have been setting about another bacchanalian bout in Yorkshire.

  • keep on keeping on

    entertaining post, Ziznivy.

    If there was a Post of the Week competition, that would win hands down.

  • Mojo

    As well, Ziz. As well.
    Cheers.

  • Cruimh

    Women are so unreasonable.

  • CTN

    This thread is in view dated and I will not be able to comment on any reply to my blog as I will not be giving it further consideration.

    Le Meas,

    CTN