“The tactics of Satan..”

The First Minister, being a believer in the supernatural, has his own particular strategy for dealing with awkward witnesses.. as this Belfast Telegraph report details

It starts: “It is the ploy of Satan to attack those whom God has signally appointed and specially anointed as leaders in His work.” A source close to the DUP leader confirmed the article was aimed at members of the church, most of whom have access to the monthly Revivalist magazine. “The tactics of Satan have not changed and the Bible was written that we might be prepared for similar satanic attacks upon the leaders of God’s work today,” Mr Paisley wrote.

In related news, via Will Crawley, Christopher Hitchens clearly isn’t a fan of self-declared men of faith in politics..

And yes, before anyone asks, I am going to hell.

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  • Dec

    You mean I’ll not be spending eternity with Richard Turnbull and Roy Gillespie? The horror, the horror!

  • SuperSoupy

    Theologists believe there are separate heavens for Catholics and Protestants.

  • Dec

    I seem to remember ‘Catholic Heaven’ (dancing, drinking, fighting) and ‘Protestant Heaven’ (Tennis, Pimms, pastel shades) being featured on the Simpsons.

  • SuperSoupy

    Dec,

    Really? If you click on the word theologists above you’ll see they agree.

  • Dec

    SS

    Sorry. Firewall in work blocking that link. However, I’m assuming by your tone that it’s a link to a Simpsons’ clip.

  • Token Dissent

    Hitchens really is superb when he is in that kind of form,”a little toad” is a neat summary of the man! However, I myself wouldn’t doubt that Falwell was capable of reading a “long book” like the Bible. Hitchens is right to highligh the links between anti-semitic Christian Fundamenalism and the worst elements of Israeli life. A very strange and dangerous alliance.

    As for Ian: narrow is the road to righteousness, massive is the size of his ego. The squad that Satan has assembled to oppose The Anoited One has been truly amazing: O’Neill, Faulkner, ELO, Fitt, Trimble, UKUP, IRA, Line Dancers, Sunday Playground visitors, BBC, etc. etc. etc.

  • Pounder

    How can you every really trust a person who worships a sky pixie that can’t be seen, touched or proved to exist in anyway beyond a work of fiction written over a thousand years ago and translated and retranslated so many times it’d be suprised if any of the original meaning was left in it.

    Live is all the eternity you will ever have.

  • Speaking personally, I’ve been fully up front with my past criticism of this increasingly sad and ridiculous figure with a messianic complex. He spent so many years throwing metaphorical stones at unionist leaders who surrendered less than he has done and doesn’t know what to do when others confront him with his own hypocrisy.

    That’s not being in league with the Devil, and if Paisley feels he has to resort to such nonsense then he is showing why he is not up to his new job.

  • SuperSoupy

    Maurice Mills (DUP) has even stronger views on the supernatural.

    The councillor, who’s twice been Deputy Mayor of Ballymena stood by his views that God sent Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for organising a gay pride event and that Africa’s Aids epidemic is also punishment for homosexuality.

    “Asia was hit by the tsunami because of the continent’s people not being Christian”, he said, adding that “God had marked their cards.”

  • Ignited

    I was quite shocked when I read the Tele article. During the election campaign we had Paisley/DUP denouncing any opposition to them as ‘aiding and abetting Sinn Fein’. Now we have the situation where any criticism of the leader or DUP strategy (whether within his own church or not) as ‘the ploy of satan’.

    I would not be surprished if the Free Presbyterians’ are angered by these statements if they are directed at Ivan Foster, as it is Ivan Foster who has been consistent with his teachings. It is also a good reason as to why a separation from church and politics is drastically needed.

  • protorious

    I don’t particularly mind that Paisley is loony religious folk.

    What disturbs me, and always has, is the complete contempt Paisley seems to have for the idea of seperating out church and politics. I mean this article is essentially internal Church matters concerning political criticism of church leadership (something which is ridiculous anyway). What terrifies me is Paisleys response that they are doing the Devils work…

    So Paisley, after years of intermingling religion and politics to such a degree that his politicised his religion and sanctified his politics, is now officially standing up and saying the to do Gods Work (aka be Free Presbyterian) is to subsrcibe to a particular political stance. And what is that stance?

    Well… it seems it’s whatever Paisley thinks it is as he is now lambasting people who are parroting his 1998 comments…

    And I thought Paisley hated the Pope, clearly he just wants to get into that racket.

  • darth rumsfeld

    TD
    don’t forget arch Satanist Jim Allister

  • dodrade

    “Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is.”

    Gandhi

  • John East Belfast

    When people in any organisation – religious or otherwise – start claiming that God is on their side and if you oppose what they are saying then you are against God then that is the time to run for cover.

    It is the cynical enemy of freedom and serves only to underwrite dicators and autocrats who cannot abide any criticism of their actions.

    It is also contrary to Protestantism and the belief that there is one mediator between man and God and that everyman is responsible for his own conscience in judging the actions of others.

    However the power of this will be to shut down opposition within his own church.

    I recall one particular discussion with a feeble minded Free P DUP activist who when I criticised Paisley reminded me of the fate of Brian Faulkner for opposing the Reverend Doctor.

    He commands a totally unProtestant, popish blind obedience from these people.

    In any free thinking Party Paisley would have been deposed by now but for all their so called talent none of them have the balls to say the Party needs a Leadership challenge.

    The DUP is neither Democratic or Unionist and is more akin to the darkest Africa type of tribal Party ala Robert Mugabe with Paisley as Chief.

    Indeed if this was Africa I would have little doubt that Paisley would have eaten most of his opposition by now.

  • protorious

    dodrade,

    True. I always except that religious people’s politics will essentially be the moral system of said religion.

    What I take umbrage to is an organised religion getting actively involved and instructing their members what is the correct political position for them to assume, rather than merely exposing said moral position.

    So politics can be religious but religion can not be political… In my opinion anyway

  • Gerry Kelly

    Vhristopher Hitchens’ book is terrible and devoid of any information. He is just cashing in on the atheism bandwagon.

    Protestants vote for Paisley in alarmingly large numbers. He is the Protestant Pope.

  • Butterknife

    Paisley the Protestant Pope lol People vote for him for the same reason people vote for Sinn Fein – which is out of fear of the other side, and both sides have been successful in cultivating that fear into votes. As to why, given the baggage, well Gerry said a voter today does not remember a bomb going off. In the same manner the golfing prod today who votes DUP does not remember bombs, or maybe does not wish to, all he is interested in, is his property investment portfolio. Maybe explains why one of our DUP Ministers was an estate agent by trade.

  • Butterknife,

    Im a SF voter and I have never cast so much as one single vote in my entire life out of fear of what you call the ‘other side’. I vote purely on idealogical and political grounds,

    Im afraid your comment is pure uninformed balderdash…

  • Dec

    Indeed if this was Africa I would have little doubt that Paisley would have eaten most of his opposition by now.

    Africans eat people now, do they?

  • protorious

    Dec,

    I hoped it was some kind of wry Idi Amin joke…

    My expectations are low though

  • Dec

    Protorious

    Considering he also used the word ‘popish’ without any apparent hint of irony, my expectations are non-existant.

  • DK

    Dec – it could also be President Teodoro Obiang Nguema of Equatorial Guinea, but do you really have to grasp at straws to be offended – it makes you seem like a bit of a prat.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    Macswiney: ‘I vote purely on idealogical and political grounds’

    Excellent I’m glad to here it. Do explain to us unbelievers what attraction SF has for you.

    They’re rather keen on a United Ireland. After that I have to admit I’m a bit stumped. Having seen Gerry’s beautifully choreographed election broadcast on Slugger the other day, I’m still stumped. More social housing and don’t privatise the health service with public money? Hardly revolutionary is it?

    Do tell.

  • Dec

    DK

    Personally, i’m not offended. Nor, I believe, am I grasping at straws. JEB appeared to make the link between cannabalism and the entire African continent. And oh look, up you pop with President Nguemo of Equatorial Guinea (after a frantic wikipedia search) as if to justify the statement and suddenly I’m the prat. Perhaps you’re right. Next time some fundamentalist eejit starts wittering on about popishness, heretics, Devil’s buttermilk and witch doctors in darkest Africa, I’ll keep quiet.

  • Deluded Ireland

    Paisley may be a deluded old fart but does any religious belief seriously have a heirarchy over others?
    Big Ian may believe that Satan has it in for his good works and Maurice Mills may believe that gays deserve hurricanes, but it is really any dafter than believing in transubstantiation or paradise through suicide bombing?

  • Paisley words are revealing, and if interpreted in a certain way, he is arguably putting himself up as the Beelzebub of NI politics. Listen all ye who would be wise to the word. According to the scripture of Pope Paisley:

    “The Christian is clearly instructed that the party who has some criticism to offer should seek out his brother or sister and talk to them face to face.

    “To depart from the clear commands of Scripture and enter into a tirade of accusations and call for support from the blatantly ungodly as contenders in arms with their views is completely anti-scriptural.”

    This is at least as significant as the passage Pete quoted, as Paisley seems to be admitting that not holding face-to-face talks with those he has criticised. He is guilty of everything he claims here is wrong.

    The DUP leader seems to be arguing that not talking to Sinn Fein is the work of Satan.

    And if calling for “support from the blatantly ungodly as contenders in arms” can be interpreted as “getting loyalist paramilitaries to do your dirty work”, then Paisley is the Anti-Christ or has a one-way ticket to Hell.

  • Leviticus

    A fully agree with the views which the Guardian obviously find so shocking. 95% of Britons surely will go to hell. It is not wrong to say this. People need to be made aware of the path they are taking. The path of fornication, drunkeness, perversion, sodomy and other unnatural abominations. We live in a society where mincing perverts are held up as cyphers for the rest of the population. In a more civilised country these people would be neutered so as to stop their filthy practices.

    It makes me sick to my stomach to see the depravity which is widely current in the UK and the more christians who take a stand and say “you will burn for this, sinners” the better,

  • nmc

    Leviticus,

    for starters the vast majority of people educated in NI will have all the information to hand to make an informed decision on where they’re going. We heathens can be reasonably intelligent and really don’t need some religious moron screeching at us through a microphone in Cornmarket to know the moral implications of our actions.

    Second up, I was always under the impression that it was a grave sin to judge other people. Who are you, God? Is it not up to God alone to carry out judgement? Who the fuck are you to tell someone that they are hell-bound?

    Third up, unsure of how you’re defining cypher, but I will assume your definition is not “zero”. If you are suggesting we hold gay people in high regard, I think you are mistaken. Quite a few people seem to share your views, and quite a few more just go with a low-lying hostility towards gay people, because it’s easy I think. Bearing in mind that the government in NI is split between people who have killed and people who have incited others to kill, where people decide to stick their dick is really quite unimportant.

    Fourth, which “more civilised” country do they carry out this practise? You’re talking shite.

    Finally, be sick to your sensitive stomach at the behaviour of men behind closed doors, perhaps you should get in on the action yourself, your homophobia suggests you are a latent repressed homosexual. Get yourself a man, you’ll feel better.

    I’m off home now, but I look forward to reading any reply and responding tomorrow.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    Well said Leviticus — and while you’re at it how about those damned souls in Tescos who insist on selling shellfish and the appalling monsters who work on a Sunday (or is it Saturday?)
    Get a grip.

  • Ernest

    Post 16 by Gerry Kelly- that was so obviously a post by someone who has not read Hitchens book. I agree that he is certainly cashing in on the huge success of Dawkins, Dennett and Harris but please do not tell me his book contains no information. I have read it and while it is certainly polemical, it contains lots of interesting arguments and facts! While it isnt intellectually up to Dawkins or Dennetts level, it was a damn good read.

  • John East Belfast

    dec

    “Nor, I believe, am I grasping at straws. JEB appeared to make the link between cannabalism and the entire African continent.”

    LOL !

    and

    “Considering he also used the word ‘popish’ without any apparent hint of irony”

    using Popish and Paisley is the height of irony – does it have to be spelt out for you.

    Protestantism is about freedom of thought within parameters of biblical teaching.

    What it most certainly is not is religious leaders taking a particular course of action and saying that their course is God’s course and hence anyone opposing them must be working for Satan.

    It is downright dangerous mind control dictatorship.

    That this man is our First Minister both scares and shocks me.

  • The Devil

    If God appointed them then I am fully entitled to attack them, I wouldn’t let any of those good living bastards into Hell, absolutely no chance it took us years to get this place the way we wanted it and we ain’t gonna let some boring goodytwoshoos fuckwit ruin it for us all.

  • Animus

    People who cut their hair are the real sinners, and for their vanity they will surely go to hell. I wonder what God’s take on split ends is?

    And although I have left the fold, I do remember something about judge not, lest ye be judged. I think that quote is attributed to a J Christ. Even Christ walked among the sinners and made them friends: the prostitutes, the sick, the lepers, the inland revenue of antiquity. Funny how people like Leviticus choose what bits they will follow based on their own odious prejudices. Tsk tsk.

  • Pete Baker

    Gonzo

    Pointing out hypcrisy in the Appointed and Anointed One’s argument?

    That’s Satan’s tactic!

  • Dec

    JEB

    I’m disinterested in your paisley as pope strand of irony. The fact that you use the word ‘popish’ (a derogatory term for catholics used by puritans) in 2007 is more interesting.

    As for

    Indeed if this was Africa I would have little doubt that Paisley would have eaten most of his opposition by now.

    well, I’ll just lodge that one in the memory banks for the next time you lecture us all about multi-culturalism

  • John East Belfast

    Dec

    I really shouldnt defend myself to someone who has both an irony as well as humour by pass but just for the record.

    I am not offending Catholics when I am throwing back in the face of a fundamentalist Protestant the very language he uses to describe the controlling and infallable nature of the RC hierarchy when he himself is behaving in the same way

    You also dont seem to understand context.

    As for the African tribal chief I think Dr Paisley would fit very well there – once again go and find yourself a sense of humour.

    As for me lecturing anyone on the benefits of multi culturism you must be mistaking me for somebody else.

  • Gerry Kelly

    Ernest: Hitchens’ book is just why we should beware the articulate fool. You like him because he – and Dennett and Dawkins – conforms with you prejudices.

  • Butterknife

    Sinn Fein’s military wing the IRA tortured members of this province for the last several decades. They have forced people to act as suicide bombers and have killed people contrary to human right laws freedoms as expressed by both both domestic and international documents. Finally, they do not recognise the Arm na hÉireann as the legitimate army of the Irish Republic therefore it implies that they, including the political wing, must be out to overthrow the government by stealth. Is this your ideology macswiney?

  • Foster Watch
  • Leviticus

    “Second up, I was always under the impression that it was a grave sin to judge other people. Who are you, God? Is it not up to God alone to carry out judgement? Who the fuck are you to tell someone that they are hell-bound?”

    It is the duty of those of us God has annointed to tell those who are on the path to damnation that this is the case. That is not judgment. It is not the christian, who is also a sinner who is judging, it is merely the christian who is bringing God’s word to the lost.

    “for starters the vast majority of people educated in NI will have all the information to hand to make an informed decision on where they’re going. We heathens can be reasonably intelligent and really don’t need some religious moron screeching at us through a microphone in Cornmarket to know the moral implications of our actions.”

    Education doesn’t make a man any more receptive to the teachings of Jesus. Often it provides the arrogance to make him think he knows better than God. God says that it is wrong to felate another man, but in my worldy arrogance I will reject his teaching!

    “Third up, unsure of how you’re defining cypher, but I will assume your definition is not “zero”. If you are suggesting we hold gay people in high regard, I think you are mistaken. Quite a few people seem to share your views, and quite a few more just go with a low-lying hostility towards gay people, because it’s easy I think. Bearing in mind that the government in NI is split between people who have killed and people who have incited others to kill, where people decide to stick their dick is really quite unimportant.”

    Ignoring your obscenity, perversion and depravity is quite literally forced upon us every time we walk down the street or turn on the television. Anybody who cannot see this is being blinded by satan. Our very children sit outside the City Hall clad in black and listening to imprecations to darkness with their bodies disfigured by satanic designs. We turn on our televisions to be titillated by mincing perverts such as Graham Norton.

    “Finally, be sick to your sensitive stomach at the behaviour of men behind closed doors, perhaps you should get in on the action yourself, your homophobia suggests you are a latent repressed homosexual. Get yourself a man, you’ll feel better.”

    Think about what you are saying NMC. How can it possibly be correct or normal for a man to stick his penis in another man’s anus or mouth? Imagine it for a moment. Imagine the depravity and sin which inspires someone to take pleasure in such an unnatural act. The placing of that flesh in the lubed up bottom of another man – the place of faeces. How can you possibly claim that it is good for our children to see such a thing?

  • Pounder

    Leviticus “How can it possibly be correct or normal for a man to stick his penis in another man’s anus or mouth” tell that to gay horse and dogs. Whats nornal for you and for someone else might be very different this isn’t 1984 and we don’t have to conform to what you think is right.

    Also remember the next time you’re enjoying a crap you are actually enjoying the sensation of your anus expanding and the poop massaging your colon as it slides past.

    Have a nice day 🙂

  • Leviticus

    “Whats nornal for you and for someone else might be very different this isn’t 1984 and we don’t have to conform to what you think is right.”

    You do not have to conform with what I think is right. I am the least of your problems. I will not visit the judgment of God upon you, but that judgment will come. And at that point your sodomy will seem like scant consolation for an eternity of pain and suffering.

    “Also remember the next time you’re enjoying a crap you are actually enjoying the sensation of your anus expanding and the poop massaging your colon as it slides past.”

    The act of defecation is a natural, god-given act. Any pleasure thus derived is a gift from him above. The placing of another man’s penis in one’s rectum is a sin and any pleasure derived from the motion of that member is from satan and not from God.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    Leviticus — you’re coming across as a raving homophobe. Perhaps you have issues with your own sexuality which need to be urgently addressed.

    For the record, Jesus viewed homosexuality as such a huge issue that he failed to mention it — not even once. None of the gospels includes a reference to Jesus’ views on the subject and if you can show me where they do, I’ll be fascinated.

    Homosexuality is condemned in the Old Testament, along with other abominations such as wearing clothes made from different fibres and eating shellfish. What you pick out of the bible to reinforce your own predjudices is up to you, but don’t be surprised when others correctly condemn you as a hypocrite.

    Leaving the bible aside, what consenting adults get up to in their bedrooms is absolutely none of your business. It’s homophobic obsessives like you that have been responsible for the immense suffering heaped upon the homosexual community over the centuries.

    Thousands are dying in needless conflicts worldwide, children are starving as a direct result of religious wars, the planet is being destroyed, and all you can think about is a few men indulging in legal gay sex.

    For the record I’m not gay, but I’m perfectly comfortable with others expressing their own sexuality, as are most right-thinking people these days. From your postings on this site, I’d recommend you visit a psychiatrist to sort out your intolerance and sexuality issues. Good luck.

  • Pounder

    Males horses screw male horses. last I heard they where a part of nature, are you saying a red dude with horns and a pitch fork made them do it?

  • Mark

    Did not work in Athens!

  • Leviticus

    God has differnt standards for his children and the beasts of the field Pounder.

    Gerry, your godless attitude is typical of those who will not listen to their saviour. My attitude to homosexuality is unimportant. It is God who is offended by it.

    You may not indulge in man on man penetration yourself, but you do enable that union by your own indifference.

    I think those who spurt this type of liberal nonsense perhaps have not meditated enough either on scripture or on the sin itself.

    You propound these mealy mouthed theories of “live and let live” yet you have not thought of the actual depravity, the act of parting the place of filth and faeces, penetrating it with your own swollen flesh and thrusting that flesh to the point of shameful climax.

  • protorious

    Who’s been feeding the trolls?

  • Pounder

    In what part of the Bible did the clouds part and a big booming voice exclaim “Guys no butt fucking please”?

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    Leviticus:

    ‘It is God who is offended by it.’

    Based on what exactly? According to the bible God is offended by any number of things — you’re just picking out your pet prejudice.

    Leviticus now seriously your graphic description of an act you really shouldn’t know anything about is way too obsessional. You really do need professional help.

  • Ziznivy

    Gerry, I am equally condemnatory of any number of sins.

    It is necessary to know what constitutes a sin and to meditate upon it. This particular sin is so vile that it is necessary to meditate upon the visceral details in order to truly understand its repugnance.

    I live my life by the maxim “what would Jesus do?”. It seems to me preposterous that Jesus would have forced his swollen penis up the rectum of another man, no matter how tempted he may have been.

    “Yield not unto temptation”.

    That is another maxim by which I live my life. I often quote it to my housemate Pedro and to my other friends.

  • Pounder

    Dude Jesus traveled with 12 other dudes and, apparently, never married.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    Ziznivy ROFL!!!!

  • Ziznivy

    Whoops!

  • Animus

    Why are discussions about homosexuality always so quick to descend into graphic depictions of sexual acts, many of which are enjoyed by heterosexual couples. For how many people are solely defined by sexual preference?

    Leviticus – you didn’t answer my question about hair-cutting. What about men who shave their beards, sinners or not? If you want to believe in a book that was written well after the fact, go ahead, but there is no need for everyone else to believe it. I have read many fine books, but that doesn’t mean I should force everyone else to believe in it. Shoddy and not very Christian.

    And as for Satan, no one can even seem to decide on what Hell might be, stoked fires licking at your flesh or the the painful absence of God. Either way, you’re as well believing in the Tooth Fairy. Do you believe in Santa as well?

  • I think he believes in extracting as much piss as he possibly can, suckers!