Kelly to take single SDLP seat…

The penalty for dropping 2% in their electoral performance continues. The SDLP now only has one seat on the Policing Board, and was until yesterday widely thought to be taken up by Alex Attwood, the party’s long term police and security spokesman. Whether or not yesterday’s speeding incident had a decisive effect or not, his colleague Dolores Kelly now gets that single spot.

  • SuperSoupy

    Mick,

    He was also dropped as Justice spokesperson with Maginness getting that role.

    Could the penalty for dropping 2% be being dished out internally?

  • And the performance in West Belfast (a drop of almost 7% since 2003) must have been very disappointing. It would appear that Alex’s star does not shine so bright anymore

  • SuperSoupy

    APOV,

    Attwood has presided over a massive slump in West Belfast SDLP fortunes

    Prior to Alex being the prime candidate:

    1997 – 39%
    1998 – 25%

    After Alex becoming prime candidate:

    2001 – 19%
    falling to an all time of low
    2007 – 12%

    He has overseen the shedding of more than 2/3’s of the W.Belfast SDLP vote in 10 years.

    His star doesn’t even have a dim twinkle based on those results.

  • URQUHART

    I didn’t think I’d hear myself saying it, but I’m with SS on this one.

  • Marcellinus

    Is SS trying to suggest that Alex Attwood is solely to blame for the decline in the SDLP vote in WB? Furthermore, is the inference that the democratic majority vote is all that is needed to hold the moral upper ground? Only a fool would argue that the strength of an argument be judged by the number of people who support it.

    Meanwhile, back on topic, Alex Attwood’s has an excellent record on the Policing Board. As has often been the case, the SDLP led the way when the Shinners were dragging their knuckles. Dolores Kelly is a capable representative and the Policing Board will benefit from her participation.

  • BOM

    It is amazing to see how democracy works now that the Shinners will take up the work that was done on the Policing Board and Policing Partnerships and say that they have been responsible for it all and that the SDLP did nothing?

    The only reason why they are coming on board now is because they know that the SDLP did a good job along with their fellow members on the Board and Partnership to help make police in Northern Ireland more accountable. Of course the Shinners will say they did it all and will try to shaft those who bit the bullet (so to speak) before they did and who took the risks within their communities to make sure NI was well on its way to a better Police service!!

  • assemblywatchman

    In actual fact Delores Kelly is actually pretty poor on such matters and takes her lead entirely from others in the party. A bad move. As for AA’s performance in west Belfast, if he is not to blame, who is? After all the SF vote has not risen in correspoondance with the SDLP decline. SDLP ‘supporters’ in the west are actually choosing not to come out and vote for the party’s candidate.

  • Marcellinus

    assemblywatchman,

    “…Delores Kelly is actually pretty poor on such matters…”

    How so? Evidence?

    “As for AA’s performance in west Belfast, if he is not to blame, who is?

    Few would argue that the SDLP have big problems, not least of which is getting it’s vote out. In this respect, W. Belfast is simply symptomatic of the party’s bigger problems but though Alex Attwood has to take his share of the blame, it is wrong to place a disproportionate amount of blame at his door.

  • Question

    Could someone tell me what the SDLP have actually done on the policing board up to now? Is there any evidence to show that they have actually voted against the Unionist parties on any issue since the board was established???

  • “Only a fool would argue that the strength of an argument be judged by the number of people who support it”

    Sorry Marcellinus but this is exactly what success in a democracy is about – the ability to persuade a majority to your point of view in order to gain their support. Your argument would seem to suggest that the majority are wrong – maybe the SDLP should drop the D.

  • Marcellinus

    APV,

    “Your argument would seem to suggest that the majority are wrong”

    Not quite. My argument is that in a democracy, a majority vote, may be wrong. The strength of any argument can never be judged by the number of people who support it because if this were the case, it would mean that at one time slavery was right, Adolf Hitler had some justification and there was once merit in the argument that the world was in deed flat. This also suggests that a blinkered view of the majority parties being “right” is, at the very least, naive.

  • man on the planet

    when there is shit happening on the ground dk is nowere to beseen she phones up sf and asks them to go and sort it out its time they told her to go and f##k and let her get her hands dirty also why is it that some of her former comrads wont even canvas for her ?

  • man on the planet

    “Your argument would seem to suggest that the majority are wrong

    APV, the 6 or 32

  • assemblywatchman

    Marcellinus you ask, with reference to Delores, “How so? Evidence?”

    watch the news. read the papers. look out for original political thought and see that it is not there.

    “In this respect, W. Belfast is simply symptomatic of the party’s bigger problems but though Alex Attwood has to take his share of the blame, it is wrong to place a disproportionate amount of blame at his door.”

    wrong. there are constituencies where the SDLP vote has not declined so sharply. what’s the difference between say mid Ulster (vote held) and West Belfast, (vote collapsed)? except candidates and their previous records? when a constituency is in freefall beyond the party’s poor performance you can only look towards those who run it. no-one else.

  • Padraig

    assemblywatchman,

    “watch the news. read the papers. look out for original political thought…”

    So nothing specific then? Thought so.

  • The collapse of the SDLP vote in W Belfast is perhaps the most dramatic of any constituency in The North. This is not solely Attwoods fault, but the fact remains that the SDLP is virtually anonymous within West Belfast these days. If you want something done then it’s Sinn Fein who will deal with it.

    The public are very politically astute these days and the strength of SF’s W Belfast vote (and the linked decline of the SDLP’S) is primarily due to the very hard work performed all-year round by SF councillors, MLA’s and the sitting MP.

    I hve no idea how the SDLP will begin to deal with this. Even if they come up with a new party direction, they still are poorly organised on the ground and its hard to see how they will stop their vote declining still further…

  • Marcellinus

    IMO motp, & ‘watchman are talking complete rubbish as SF is in no position to patronise the SDLP. In Alex Attwood the SDLP lead the way with policing while SF with Gerry Kelly was left knuckle-dragging and sniping.

    The W. Belfast vote in particular, the SDLP vote and the broader vote within Nationalism is worthy of a thread in it’s own right. Bring it on Mick!

  • Marcellinus,

    Your logic baffles me…

    Where do those 3 bloggers in any way “patronise” the SDLP?

    You seem to have a real thing about SF and your new demand to “debate” the Nationalist vote is absurd.

    For your information, the Nationalist electorate have already had this full debate:

    ie just 6 weeks ago when they gave Sinn Fein its biggest mandate since the partition of Ireland in 1921.

    The continued dissipation of the SDLP vote is ultimately something which must be debated and sorted entirely by the SDLP itself and its supporters like yourself. There is little or no reason in you starting to take on SF bloggers. The Nationalist electorate have already decided that particular battle. It is over Marcellinus….

  • Marcellinus

    ”Your logic baffles me… Where do those 3 bloggers in any way “patronise” the SDLP?

    Your maths baffles me! Who are the three bloggers?

    motp said : “…its time they told her to go and f##k and let her get her hands dirty…” The Shinners are in no position to tell anybody in the SDLP what they should do. After all, it is the Shinners who support the treasonous Provo campaign carried out against the Irish people without any many mandate to do so.

    The claim by ‘watchman that “…Delores Kelly is actually pretty poor on such matters…” , was challenged and supporting evidence was requested. In reply I got nothing more than hearsay, an ambiguous references to the papers and the news but nothing specific. “watch the news. read the papers. look out for original political thought…” In the absence of anything to support the snipe at Dolores Kelly, we can only assume that ‘watchman is trying to pass off opinion as fact. It has become a common tactic for Shinner sycophants to try and character assassinate their opponents in this way.

    You seem to have an OTT eagerness to defend the Shinners. You are wrong. I have no “new demand”, in fact I did not “demand” any debate. I merely invited a thread about the broader Nationalist vote here on the Slug. Discussing the broader Nationalist vote here would, I believe, take the thread off topic. Don’t forget this is a thread about Dolores Kelly taking up a position on the Policing Board.

    ”..the Nationalist electorate have already had this full debate: ie just 6 weeks ago when they gave Sinn Fein its biggest mandate since the partition of Ireland in 1921.” So shall we shut down Slugger now then? Is debate unnecessary? When the Shinners were supporting the murderous Provo campaign, they didn’t care that they (SF) had little to no mandate. Clearly mandates don’t really matter to SF.

    ”The Nationalist electorate have already decided that particular battle. It is over Marcellinus…. “ You wish! And I bet you really do wish that were the case! However I think 105,164 people would take issue with that but they would hardly be surprised at such condescension.

  • non-SDLP

    Re: Dolores Kelly.
    Perhaps, we are now seeing Mark Durkan making decisions as a party leader, rather than leaving decisions to a Belfast-based coterie.
    Both Alex and Tim Attwood have been central to the party’s direction for over 15 years and more. They failed to check the SF adavance and to be honest, they were seen to be (particulary Alex) rubbing ordinary nationalists up the wrong way each time Alex was on TV or radio.
    Maybe, this is the start of Mark’s fightback.

  • assemblywatchman

    Marcellinus – to describe me as a SF sycophant couldn’t be any more wide of the mark i am happy to say.

    As for “proving” DK’s inaction / lack of political insight; proving an inaction is not easy. But since you are president of her fan club can you tell me of one instance where she has provided political leadership? how about the biggest issue in her constituency, Drumcree? How has she reacted to that issue, where is the political leadership?

    Over to you and Padraig.

  • Marcellinus

    ‘watchman, you are wrong. On a point of detail.. I didn’t describe you as a “Shinner sycophant”; I likened you to one. There is a difference. You are also wrong to irreverently assume that I am “president of her fan club”.

    Your assumptions and opinions do not necessarily equate to fact. It is not for me to disprove your point; the onus is on you to back up your point. You made a statement about Dolores Kelly and have been unable to back it up. People will be able to form their own conclusions as to why you would do that.

  • assemblywatchman

    I have pointed out her lack of leadership on the Drumcree issue. If you can assert that i am wrong on that one I am all ears.

    The only conclusion you should draw from my pointing out this political fact is that I like to see, just occassionally, politicans providing leadership. Haven’t seen it in this case and that’s a pity.

  • Marcellinus

    “her lack of leadership” as you see it is an opinion and you are welcome to it. It is not however a “political fact”. If you can’t see that then any further “discussion” is futile.