“We are only interested in rescuing the casualties and saving lives.”

The notable comments on the army helicopter crash on Sunday, near an army base and a housing estate in Crossmaglen – from which four police officers and two military personnel were taken to hospital – are not those from the political parties’ representatives. They are from the Ambulance Service’s director of operations, Brian McNeill who described the episode from the ambulance crews’ point of view. Updated below

Stones, fireworks and snowballs were hurled at the ambulance crew as they attempted to treat the injured.
“They stopped the vehicle for about a minute and shone torches into it,” the Ambulance Service’s director of operations, Brian McNeill, said.
“We are only trying to do our job and it is difficult enough going to a major incident like that without having to deal with unruly crowds, and it is unacceptable.”

And

Mr McNeill added: “We would appeal to people to stop this. Thankfully the person who was on the ambulance which stopped was not critically injured.

“We are only interested in rescuing the casualties and saving lives.”

Update There’s an apparent discrepancy between the events described above – by the Ambulance Service’s director of operations, Brian McNeill – and the comments from Sinn Féin’s Conor Murphy, MP for Newry and Armagh – recently spotted at the enthronement of the Church of Ireland’s new Primate

“I saw kids throwing snowballs, we asked them to disperse and the vast majority of them did disperse and that was the end of it,” he said.

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  • RD

    Conor Murphy was on the BBC 6:30 news (or was it UTV live?). According to him it was just snowballs. Obviously the ambulance crew have been advised by securocrats.

  • against the head

    It is an attempt by the emergency services to prevent any attempt of power sharing.

  • Diluted Orange

    Unconfirmed reports say that a future first minister for Northern Ireland was heavily involved in the snowball throwing melée. Apparently he had it on good authority that the Irish Taoiseach was amongst those working alongside the ambulance crew.

  • Diluted Orange

    Disband the Ambulance Service! Evidence of collusion with British forces in South Armagh.

  • Pat

    If MI5 were involved in the crash then SF would have reached the helicopter first to see if their paychecks were on board.

  • willis

    DUP assembly member Ian Paisley Jnr said missile attacks on rescue workers were totally unacceptable.

    “What really concerns me is the complete lack of political leadership on the ground in Crossmaglen from republican leaders telling people that this sort of behaviour is just not acceptable and it must stop,” he said.

    “We need to see that leadership and we need to see it fast.”

    Store that one up until July 11 I think

  • Joseph

    Never forget where your votes are coming from eh Conor? And sometimes it’s best to keep your mouth closed and say nothing at all or you risk sounding stupid. Then you make the people who voted for you look stupid for having voted for people who say stupid things.

    FFS, “Snowballs”!!! ha ha ha Great stuff.

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  • Pat Mc Larnon

    One wonders why these people continue their harrassment and low fly overs in areas like Sth Armagh, even a cursory glance at the facts will see that such military activity is not necessary in that part of Ireland.

    The history of these people buzzing the local football ground has been well documented. On this occasion it was lucky that no innocent people were injured or killed.

  • observer

    even a cursory glance at the facts will see that such military activity is not necessary in that part of Ireland.

    The history of these people buzzing the local football ground has been well documented. On this occasion it was lucky that no innocent people were injured or killed.
    Posted by Pat Mc Larnon on Mar 19, 2007 @ 09:18 PM

    1 – its not irealnd,its northern ireland, even Adams and McGuinness accept that

    2 – those in the aircraft are innocent people – unless your a catholic, republican bigot of course

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    observer,

    if you want to troll please address some other anonymous moron.

  • Crataegus

    Someone please explain to me why anyone would attack an ambulance crew even if it were ‘just snowballs’.

    Sorry but this sort of behaviour is just unacceptable, amen.

    Tomorrow when they are attacked who may they be on their way to try and save, your son, your daughter, perhaps your mother?

    Please no ifs, no but, no excuses. Let us all just repeat Totally Unacceptable.

  • Pat,
    The Times are reporting is as an Ambush;
    its a free for all for establishment journos looking for headlines .. anything goes.
    Desparate or wot?
    you’ve got to laugh 😉
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1539721.ece

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Crat,

    on this occasion you have got it right, snowballs should not have been thrown on this occasion.

    parcifal,

    wouldn’t be like the Times to lie and exaggerate.

  • Henry94

    What the local people want is the British Army and their helicopters out. We are lucky today that we are talking about snowballs and not a major catastrophe caused by that crash.

    The issue now is to find out what happened. Machine failure, incompetence, pilot error or whatever it is could have killed innocent people on the ground.

  • GavBelfast

    Thank goodness no one on the copter was kiled, and that no one on the ground was killed or injured.

    It would be nice, too, if more widespread human decency entitled the emergency services to do their jobs unhindered by louts, whatever class or creed of louts, as stories of attacks on fire and ambulance services seem just too common in this society. Those in positions of influence, especially elected representatives, should lead the way in making it crystal clear that such attacks are never acceptable.

  • Pete Baker

    A group of people stopping an ambulance en route to a hospital with a patient on-board – shining torches into it, presumably to discover who is inside – fails to tally with the MP’s proffered description of “kids throwing snowballs”.

  • Joseph

    To the moderator,

    “Stupid is as stupid does” is recognised by many and used to highlight that, in the same way the ad hominem rule disregards irrelevancies to a given statement, an apparent intelligent person who does stupid things is still stupid. Basically, you are what you do. It is not the same as alleging, in a subjective way, that Conor Murphy MP is “ugly”.

    On what grounds then, do you remove this summary point? Is criticism or questioning of what our public representatives do and say in public no longer allowed?

    How utterly ridiculous and nonsensical for an MP, to use the occasion to critisce the support services and others for not “being on the ground”. Conor Murphy MP was thinking only like a shollow politician, forever mindfull of where his votes are coming from. In the meantime, an accident has happened. People are hurt and Conor Murphy is talking about snowballs!

    [see Commenting Policy – moderator]

  • Joseph

    “We reserve the right to edit or even delete comments for…, {any}…reason that we see fit. “

    Say no more.

    It’s here, on Slugger! Stupid people can say stupid things beyond reproach but only if they have been elected to say stupid things! The rest of us are not allowed to call a spade a spade, (no offence to anyone who identifies themself as “a spade”!)

    Broaden your reading, argument and understanding of debate and satire.

    FFS, “SNOWBALLS!!!!”

  • Ian

    Pete B:

    “A group of people stopping an ambulance en route to a hospital with a patient on-board – shining torches into it, presumably to discover who is inside – fails to tally with the MP’s proffered description of “kids throwing snowballs”. ”

    It is possible that both events happened, but the MP was only present when the latter took place. But that wouldn’t allow for ranting soundbites from the likes of Paisley Junior.

    I thought Conor Murphy’s comments (“There’s no pleasure taken from the fact that British army or police personnel were injured in this” i.e. the bit you failed to quote) were quite measured considering the fact that the Army came close to causing significant civilian casualties yesterday.

  • observer

    this is an offshoot of the barbarism we saw dragged 2 brithish soldiers from their car, then proceeded to strip, torture and murder them

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  • Pete Baker

    “Joseph”

    What part of your actual argument was removed?

    You’ve been reminded, for your benefit and others, that there are limits to the comments allowed on Slugger.

    If you don’t accept those limits, just don’t comment.

    We generally refer to those limits as playing the ball, not the man.

  • Pete Baker

    Ian

    Don’t insult my intelligence, please.

    And you ignore the fact that the description of those events comes from the Ambulance Service.

  • Ian

    Pete:

    You have some kind of proof that Conor Murphy knew what had happened at the spot where the ambulance was ambushed? That he knew about the incident when he made the comments to the BBC that you quoted?

  • SuperSoupy

    It states the ambulance was attacked on the way out of Crossmaglen, it is entirely possible that Conor Murphy was at the crash site (almost likely) and may have intervened with the children there and was completely unaware of what was happening elsewhere.

    Of course the blogger is entitled to question his integrity but it needs taken with a pinch of salt on the level of accuracy it may actually have.

  • Pete Baker

    Ian

    In case you missed it, Conor Murphy’s comments were dismissive of the suggestion that there was more to the disorder than reported.

    “we asked them to disperse and the vast majority of them did disperse and that was the end of it”

    The comments from the Ambulance Service make it clear that there was a much more serious intent behind the attack on the ambulances.

  • Pete Baker

    “It states the ambulance was attacked on the way out of Crossmaglen..”

    Actually, SS, the report states..

    A group of youths ambushed the vehicle in Crossmaglen as it drove towards the Daisy Hill Hospital in Newry.

    Once again, the quote from Conor Murphy..

    “I saw kids throwing snowballs, we asked them to disperse and the vast majority of them did disperse and that was the end of it.”

    The level of accuracy questioned is that of the MP’s. Who should, at least, have acquainted himself with the full facts before making a statement.

    Unless you’re questioning the Ambulance Service? Rather than a party political representative?

  • Henry94

    Pete,

    Conor Murphy was talking about what he saw at the crash site and how he reacted to it in what was a perfectly responsible way.

    “I saw kids throwing snowballs, we asked them to disperse and the vast majority of them did disperse and that was the end of it,”

    If anything else happened prior to his arrival, out of his sight or after the ambulance left the scene of the crash then he can hardly be expected to see everything or be everywhere.

    They stopped the vehicle for about a minute and shone torches into it, implies that the vehicle was moving and had therefore left the scene.

    Unless you expect Conor Murphy to have chased the ambulance form the scene to the point at which it was stopped for a minute then you are wrong to imply anything untoward in his statement,

    The focus of this incident belongs on the crash and the cause or causes of it. On that we must maintain an open mind pending the enquiry if there is to be one.

  • Joseph

    Pete,

    I fully accept, without reservation, the authority of the site. I do however take exception to the inference that my point was little more than a groundless, subjective attack on a named individual. It was not.

    It was personal but with considerable justification because I was criticising a public representative (i.e. a man who stands on a public platform inviting the public to give critical attention to what he says and does). This I did and posted solely because of the ridiculous comment that was made. To remove the less than favourable conclusion I draw is to suggest that there is a fault in the reason or point of what I say. Basically, that Conor Murphy MP was somehow justified in his analysis of what he said about the ambulance services. Clearly the two accounts do not tally and, if we are to gain any understanding of what happened, we need to be able to question and criticise what we are told.

    Also, I heard CM on the UTV news saying something along the lines of “if they were closer to the ground, they would have seen this” meaning the snowball throwing. Do you know who he directing this comment to?

  • all along the watchtower

    The automatic victimhood of the people of Crossmaglen in the face of other people’s suffering in a time of ‘peace’ was as pathetic as it was predictable.
    Intimidating ambulance crews is all part of their warped psyche.
    If it wasn’t for the murderous strain of sectarian nationalism predominant in that part of Northern Ireland there would have been no need for that chopper to be in the air in the first place.

  • Pete Baker

    “The focus of this incident belongs on the crash and the cause or causes of it.”

    No Henry, the focus of this incident belongs on what the amublance crews were subjected to by certain groups in the area.

    And, thankfully, we have the Ambulance Service director of operations to actually relate to us what they experienced.. rather than the locally elected party political representative.

  • jesus wept

    Who are we to believe here – the *Ambulance Service who I don’t think anyone is going to claim have done anything but serve both sides courageously and impartially throughout the conflict – or Conor Murphy?

    *If you know of an occasion where the Ambulance Service have acted partially, please enlighten us. I’ve personally NEVER heard of such a claim.
    If you know of an occasion where a SF politician (like their DUP counterparts) have desperately tried to play down the disgusting sectarian antics of their followers…well.

  • Henry94

    Pete

    we have the Ambulance Service director of operations to actually relate to us what they experienced.. rather than the locally elected party political representative.

    That is the point. Conor Murphy described what he experienced and what he did about it.

    To drag the Ambulance Service statement out as some kind of contradiction to that is simply unsustainable. Unless you can place the MP at the location where the Ambulance was stopped for a minute then there is no contradiction whatsoever. If he was at the crash site then he couldn’t have been elsewhere.

    This is simply another manifestation of the irrational anti-Sinn Fein agenda that Slugger has allowed to dominate its output in recent years. The only credibility you are damaging is your own.

  • Henry94

    WARNING OVER DEFECTIVE MILITARY HELICOPTER

    “Not the first time the MOD have continued to operate suspect choppers.

    Aircrew had fears about the Chinook prior to the crash at Kintyre which killed 27 – these were ignoredJust ten days after the Celtic League wrote to the Defence Secretary asking him to review operations by an Army helicopter with an identified defect one of the machines crashed last week in S. Armagh with nine people on board (two were injured).

    The type involved the Lynx helicopter has been involved in two fatalcrashes over the past fifteen months years and following the firstat Gornji Vakuf, Bosnia, in Dec. 1998 a defective part in the tailrotor drive was identified. This is to be replaced on a phased basisover two years.

    However, the League suggested in correspondence to Defence SecretaryGeoff. Hoon ten days ago that this decision carries potential risk.Responding to our concerns a military spokesman in N. Ireland, wherethe latest incident occurred, said more frequent safety checks werecarried out as a result of the Bosnian incident

    Last May, a Lynx narrowly avoided crashing on the village of Tiltonon the Hill in Leicestershire, three aircrew died. This clearly indicatedthe threat posed to small rural communities. We said that if the machinecontinued to operate with known defects other accidents were inevitable.Our concerns are vindicated by last weeks incident.

    It’s not the first time the MOD have continued to operate suspectchoppers and much has been written about the fears that aircrew hadabout the Chinook prior to the disastrous crash at Kintyre in 1994when 29 people died.

    Nor or these latest accidents the first with the Lynx which overthe years has claimed many service personnel due to ‘mechanical failure’.The continuing danger posed to aircrew and the public should be urgentlyprobed meanwhile this type of chopper should be grounded “

  • Henry94

    The number of crashes has multiplied since the invasion of Iraq and I think the people of South Armagh are entitled to ask questions about the safety standards in operation. Are parts being diverted to Iraq? Are the people flying the helicopters in South Armagh properly trained?

    Is there a drink culture in the bases and are people flying in conditions they would not be allowed drive in. There should be a full enquiry into this incident.

  • Ian

    “In case you missed it, Conor Murphy’s comments were dismissive of the suggestion that there was more to the disorder than reported.”

    I assumed that referred to disorder at the actual crash site. The reports from the ambulance driver didn’t emerge till later on this afternoon.

  • picador

    Henry,

    Pete has form in trying to put the worst possible spin on the comments of Sinn Féin spokespeople.

    Last week Gerry Kelly was in his sights.

    Like you say, it only damages his credibility. It’s as tiresome as it is predictable.

    It’s a pity Paisley wasn’t down in Cross. Throwing snowballs is one of his pastimes.

    Regards,
    Picador

  • Irish Republican in America

    I’m surprised nobody has said “no British soldiers in Ireland no Chopper crash”

  • Observer

    I thought the PSNI were responsible for public order?
    Does Pete think Sinn Fein should have that role in nationalist areas?
    If that is the case, why don’t we close down every station in an area with a Sinn Fein representative, sack the cops and divert the savings into something useful, like promoting the Irish language?
    Unionists wouldn’t have to worry about money being wasted on creating parity for Irish and slugger wouldn’t look so foolish blaming Sinn Fein for snowball attacks in Crossmaglen.

  • lies, damned lies

    Good to see Conor out on the ground defending the occupying forces from the ignorant locals. The cops were obviously not engaged in yet another pointless, dick-waving flight of victory over Cross.
    Have SF NO SHAME?!
    Forget it, we know the answer already.
    The only thing more pathetic than CM ‘defusing’ the righteous anger of those local people is the attempts here by self proclaimed ‘republicans’ to justifiy this collaboration on his behalf. That’s what really IS disgusting.

  • Harry Flashman

    Yup it’s a real tough one.

    We have the word of the director of operations of an organisation dedicated to saving lives and whose members through three decades of horror inflicted by psychotic sectarian butchers always behaved with enormous courage, selflessness, neutrality and dignity as they tried desperately to hold on to the lives of men, women and children caught up in all sides of the conflict.

    Against this we have the representative of a political party inextricably linked to the biggest perpetrator of those three decades of terror, an organisation which in the course of the slaughter frequently attacked hospitals and medical staff.

    Jeez, now which guy should we believe?

  • SuperSoupy
  • Observer

    I agree with Flashman.
    Willie Frasier had no right to make those allegations against ambulance personnel.
    Thoughtful of you to bring it up at this time.
    It’s the kind of thing that tends to be forgotten in the stampede to attack Sinn Fein.

  • BogExile

    With apologies to Churchill:

    ‘But as the deluge subsides and the waters fall short, we see the dreary steeples of Pat McLarnon and Henry94 emerging once again. The integrity of their quarrel is one of the few institutions that has been unaltered.’

    It’s just extraordinary and sad really to see two relatively bright commentators who have at least tried to show us the shadowy militant republican mindset in its reluctant transformation revealing themselves once again in their true sour glory.

    If you can’t understand how abhorrent to normal people the treatment of injured people in an ambulance by a lynch mob is. If you focus all your energies and eloquence on trying to disguise the basic human ugliness of the situation then you simply show how utterly irrelavant you are to the future.

  • Henry94

    BogExile

    If you can’t understand how abhorrent to normal people the treatment of injured people in an ambulance by a lynch mob is.

    As a normal person myself I share that abhorrence of course and if someone started a thread condemning it I’d be happy to agree with that.

    But that is clearly not what this thread is about.

    This thread is an attack on Conor Murphy who nobody claims was involved in anything other than trying to calm the situation. It proposes a false contradiction between his account of the events at the crash scene and the statement of the Ambulance Service’s director of operations, Brian McNeill about something that happened away from the scene.

    It implies that Conor Murphy somehow condoned downplayed or made excuses for that and there isn’t a shred of evidence to support such a contention.

    Your post makes the same accusation against myself and Pat with again no evidence to support it.

    The agenda here appears to be detraction and distraction. Detraction against people and distraction from the main issue which is the crash and the need to protect the community by finding the truth about why it happened.

    I welcome the Bord of Enquiry that has been set up and I call on them to carry out their work in a transparent manner.

    Just in case anyone is in any doubt I oppose and condemn the attacks on the PSNI last night.

  • Joseph

    When I woke this morning, I was genuinely sad to hear Wendy Austin tell me that there had been more attacks on the police guarding the crash site. Now despite my complete abhorrence for the Shinners and their past, I have many similar concerns about the British army. What I think is important here, regarding this incident in particular, is the calibre and quality of our public representative.

    People are free to believe, at their own discretion, who they so choose; as is their prerogative. As Harry Flashman correctly and wryly points out, for some, it could be a tough one! In fairness to the public representatives, we are told that the incident was helped by their presence earlier in the evening. Any good, no matter how little, should and needs to be welcomed.

    Something I do find very worrying is that our part-time MP Conor Murphy, (a salary taking, non-seat taker at Westminister), seemingly used this opportunity to serve party interest. He did in deed give a personal account. However this calls in to question, the calibre of his judgement as it suggests it is very poor. He stayed for the snowballs then left early before the petrol-bombs, stones and bottles were thrown. This morning he told Seamus Makee that he had no reason to think that this was an orchestrated attack. Is this man a fool or are his judgments more sinister and self-serving? From what has been reported, we can only assume that though our part-time MP Conor Murphy may well be an “on-the-ground” representative and all round “man o’ the people”, those same people are walking all over him as he appears to exceptionally disconnected with what is gong on.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Bogexile,

    the thread, though dishonest in ignoring the narrow escape the innocent people of Crossmaglen suffered at the hands of the British Army does still offer enough of a basic argument without you resulting in manufacturing lies and false positions.
    I have always condemned the interference in the work of the ambulance service. Indeed my concerns go all the way back to the 1970’s when the delaying of casualties reaching hospital was a favoured tactic of the British Army and RUC. In fact not one person on the thread has done anything other than oppose what happened.

    But then again is that your issue? Your use of the term ‘lynch mob’ gives an indication of your own particular mindest. A mindset that sees those injured not as victims but as an opportunity to re-hash your pathetic anti SF line. A line that is encouraged by the thread and the moderator to this thread.

  • Terry Doherty

    Heard CM on the radio this morning and it is clear he was doing a damn sight more than anyone on this site to calm the situation in Cross.

    Of course that mightn’t be good enough for the anti SF brigade but it carries a lot more weight than trying to blame CM, even by association, for the despicable incidents involving the ambulances.

    So lets keep it simple. British military helicopters shouldn’t be in the air over S. Armagh. People shouldn’t attack ambulances, with snowballs or anything else. And people should maybe take a deep breath before trying to blame SF for the bad weather.

  • Isn’t the reason the number of crashes has gone up (compared to what? per year?) since the invasion of Iraq precisely because they are flying more hours?

  • Nevin

    It seems that Murphy is trying to diminish the injuries inflicted on those aboard the helicopter and distract attention from the attack by the mob:

    “The people that have been most harmed through these incidents are the local community”

  • JG

    “It would be nice, too, if more widespread human decency entitled the emergency services to do their jobs unhindered by louts”

    Yes it would but this sort of thing happens all to frequently as ambulance and fire brigades are thought to be soft touchs as they are insituations where they are not expected to fight back.

    “Who should, at least, have acquainted himself with the full facts before making a statement.”

    How often does this occur in any situation.

    Guide dogs are taught not to react when they are walked into. Would it not be simpler to teach normal people not to walk into them?

  • Nevin

    Murphy changes tack: “Sinn Fein MP Conor Murphy has said he believes a “sinister element” was behind an attack on police officers in south Armagh on Monday night.”

  • Blackadder

    Well baste my steaming puddings, a ‘sinister element’ was behind the attacks on the PSNI!

    And there were people thinking it was the local Bible group.

    He should be renamed Conor ‘Sherlock Holmes’ Murphy.

  • Nevin

    Blackadder, I wonder where these ‘sinister elements’ were when the ambulance was under attack.

  • pedant

    I’ve just re-read the intro to this thread and am forced to agree with Pete that there is a discrepancy. It is not, however, between what CM and the ambulance service is saying.

    The ambulance service is not quoted as describing the nature of any attacks. They refer to an ambulance being stopped for a minute. Indeed the first line of the thread,

    “Stones, fireworks and snowballs were hurled at the ambulance crew as they attempted to treat the injured.” is unattributed and clearly cannot be said to be the words of the ambulance service.

    Whilst this is a pedantic point it does beg the question, why is a comparison being drawn between the ambulance service statement and CM’s remarks when such a comparison doesn’t actually stand up?

    Perhaps in their anxiety to put the boot into SF could someone have jumped to make a comparison that doesn’t add up?

  • Nevin

    PSNI comes to the aid of the ‘injured’ Murphy:

    “The PSNI says ‘the welcome intervention’ of local representatives was successful in calming the situation, although the youths later resumed the attacks.”

  • Ringo

    Shortly after the crash RTE reported that one of the ambulances that went to the scene was from Dundalk – there was no mention of attacks at that point, and I haven’t seen any mention of this ambulance since. I suspect they won’t be as quick to respond the next time…

  • Nevin

    “There was absolutely no political leadership given on the ground by Sinn Fein that this sort of attack is not acceptable.
    “There has been no demonstration of decency let alone compliance with the security services and the emergency services as they went about their lawful work.” … Ian Paisley jnr

    Can we expect an apology from IPj?

  • Ian

    Nevin:

    “Can we expect an apology from IPj?”

    If you mean, can we expect him to act as an apologist for ‘sinister elements’ on the loyalist side in a few months time if Orange Order parades are re-routed, then yes I think we can confidently expect that.

  • Ian

    With my previous post can I claim the trademark for inventing “WhataboutaFuturing”?

    Or perhaps “Futuraboutery” has a better ring to it?

  • Ian

    “WhataboutaFuturingery”. That rolls off the tongue nicely.

  • Nevin

    Ian, I understand apology and apologist to have different meanings ….

  • Sean

    As an outsider I have read about attacks on the emergency response system from both sides of the divide all over Northern ireland, so what makes this diifeerent? ids it because its Sinn Fein backyard and they have suddenly become responsible for every single citizen in the constituency?

    Lots of name calling and finger pointing and all of it meaningless

  • Nevin

    “so what makes this diifeerent?”

    Perhaps the muddled effort to divert attention from the attackers?

  • Blackadder

    “Blackadder, I wonder where these ‘sinister elements’ were when the ambulance was under attack. ”

    My guess is attacking the ambulance, while the rest of the ‘sinister elements’ collected empty milk bottles for further fun later.

  • Nevin

    Blackadder, do you suppose these heat-seeking snowballs were similar to the ones Hume used to talk about viz “two balls of roasted know”?

  • Pat

    Irish Republican in America

    “I’m surprised nobody has said “no British soldiers in Ireland no Chopper crash”

    Or perhaps “no deluded cheerleaders collecting cash for the IRA in the US then no bloody Friday, Warrington etc”