An inside track?

The Belfast Telegraph has polled 27 of the 36 DUP Assembly members (I presume the non-MP ones). The answer to the power-sharing question is yes (only one MLA rejects the notion) but to the 26th March seems to be a No.

  • Philip

    Yes to power-sharing but it will not take place by the legal deadline. I wonder what of the £1B is recycled money. Also i wonder if the SoS for Wales etc will suspend the Assemby or if Bob QC will will take him to court over it…

  • Sam Flanagan

    I wonder how they will explain all this to their party membership!!
    Should be fun!!
    I wonder how they will explain it all to the FPC that should be even greater fun!!!!!!

    Not to worry DUP MLA`s are all honest individuals they have been bought and they will stay bought!!
    LOL

  • Dougal

    “The DUP’s Assembly members are prepared for power-sharing with Sinn Fein – but most do not believe it will happen by the Government’s March 26 deadline.”

    Let’s hope they are wrong. On all the vox-pop shows, the people seem to screaming out for our politicians to get in to the Assembly and “do the business”. However, if the DUP actually IS representaive of a majority of the Unionist community, can we conclude that the a majority of Unionists believe the time is not yet ready for power-sharing? Newspaper reports, TV programs, and radio shows all seem to be suggesting the DUP is wrong on this one.

  • fair_deal

    Dougal

    “Newspaper reports, TV programs, and radio shows all seem to be suggesting the DUP is wrong on this one.”

    But then they pretty much always do…Call-in shows etc are fine for filling air time but not the basis for taking significant policy decisions. I doubt if there would be many civil liberties left if we started doing that.

  • joeCanuck

    So what’s the sticking point?
    If can be done shortly after 26 March, why not by 26 march?
    DUP (big Daddy) just trying to tweak HM Government’s nose?
    Hope Hain is serious about pulling the plug.

  • another_pleb

    Honestly, what these people need is a good kick up the a*se (not just the DUP). I just hope that Peter Hain doesn’t bottle out. If the 26th of March deadline isn’t met I really hope that he does what he is saying he’ll do, and shut Stormont down.

    If then at some point after the 27th, our newly elected nomenklatura decide that they do after all, want to form a government then they should be made to do it for free until they legislate some sort of tax system to pay their wages of course. If it was really that important to them they would refuse their wages anyway and use the money to pay for a water treatment plant instead.

    Rant over.

  • jaffa

    If the DUP is the only party not attending why does that matter? If they don’t show up on 26th why isn’t Gerry Adams first minster and Reg Empey his deputy?

  • merrie

    If power-sharing does occur the DUP will, de facto, have majority rule. I envisage that most of its proposals will pass, and anything that SF proposes – no matter what the merit of it – will be rejected, simply because it was from SF. Another bit of legislation that won’t get through will be the Irish Language Act.

    Unless I am wrong about how Stormont voting works, it seems to me that any SF/Nationalist proposal would have to have support from at least some DUP members to pass because it has so many Unionist seats?

    Could someone who knows more than I do, please advise?

  • GavBelfast

    What’s 30 pieces of silver in today’s money?

    😉

  • Hain WILL shut it down on 26th March if the DUP won’t sign up to power-sharing.
    So Paisley WILL do the deal on 26th March.
    I’m 100% certain

  • Inspector Clouseau

    There is strong possibility that DUP will agree to nominations of FM&DFM and nomination of ministers on 26th then a period of about 6-8 weeks as a testing period before things go live.

  • IC,
    Fraid not, its a fully functioning Assembly on 26th March or its pulled.
    Everyone loses their job, and Plan B.

    People are somewhat confused as deadlines before have been fudged and passed.
    However, The legislation does NOT exist to have a shadow assembly or any other talking shop.

    Hain has made that clear to all the parties, and PM Blair re-iterated it in PM Questions on Wednesday.

  • Inspector Clouseau

    Parcifal,

    Blair has waited 10 years to get things to this stage, is he going to let it all go for 6 weeks?

  • Dougal

    fair_deal,

    I agree that such shows are “fine for filling air time but not the basis for taking significant policy decisions”. However I cite them merely as circumstantial evidence to suggest that the most popular opinion generaly, (and also the most popular Unionist oinion?) is such that out politicians should form a power-sharing executive.

    Is it wrong to believe therefore, that the majority Unionist view is against a March 26 devolution of powers under a power-sharing Exececutive?

    For what it’s worth, I don’t doubt that the DUP will “do the deal” by the 26th.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    Hope you’re right that they’ll stick to M26, parcifal but the fact that

    ‘……Hain has made that clear to all the parties, and PM Blair re-iterated it in PM Questions on Wednesday.’

    doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

  • Clouseau,
    The problem is that further delays create possibiliies of further delays; some in the DUP will never be satisfied until SF become Unionists.
    There has to be a cut-off point, or Blair will be held hostage to the DUP.

  • Tochas I’ve always made the point:
    “Ho Hain no Gain” much to the chagrin of peteb 😉

    Or as Lady Thatcher said:
    “If its not hurting , its not working”
    a cruel comment by here, however there is some pain felton both sides in order to do this deal;
    there’s no way round that; so it can never be something all people are wholly comfortable with.

    No more pandering, and pampering for norn iron politicians. Now they’ve got to govern and make the place a success story.

  • Inspector Clousea

    Parciful,

    Blair may be so hungry for success in this process that to some extent he will allow himself to be held hostage by the DUP. When it suited him he allowed himself to be held hostage by SF according to one former secretary of state.

  • StarHound

    What exactly is the DUP’s problem with the 26th? Is it just that it was not a date that THEY decided?

    I’m not so sure that a tantrum will work this time.

  • Philip

    The St. Andrew’s Agreement puts a moral obligation on the DUP and Sinn Féin to meet the timetable whereas the the *Northern Ireland (St
    Andrews Agreement) Act 2006 makes it also a legal obligation. This is my understanding of it.
    *http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/20060053.htm

    How does schedule 3 of the Act and the importance of the 28th fit into the picture?

  • StarHound
    In the absence of the DUP gathering outside Belfast City Hall on the 25th March to sound the last post ( lowering of the Union Flag )

    They must present themselves at Stormont; the question is not:
    “Will Blair risk the collapse of the institution?”.. the real question is:
    “Will the DUP risk the collapse of the institutions?”

  • graduate

    I’m inclined to agree with Parcifal on this. However, did I not read in Newsletter on Tuesday thet UUP had evidence the M26 date could be fudged? At least the UUP are claiming they’ve had sight of documents from EU that the date can be fudged. I reckon the public are way ahead of the no no never types and that the DUP leadership are right up there at the front, whatever the MLAs are claiming

  • fair_deal

    Dougal

    Surely the evidence of an election less than 10 days ago provides more direct evidence?

  • Observer

    there is nothing to stop paisley nominating on the 26th, resigning on the 27th and thus giving his party 6 weeks before having to do it all over again

    That would really screw Hain and the Shinners and get a laugh from his own supporters

  • Sam Flanagan

    If the Bel Tel can make fools out of so many of the NewDupe MLA`s so quickly what will IRA/MI5 do to them? probably on a daily basis!

  • Philip

    This is my interpretation of section 2 of the Northern Ireland (St. Andrews Agreement) Act 2006 and the options open to our esteemed
    President
    Secretary of State.

    Plan  0 – Shipwreck
    If the Secretary of State is of the opinion that there is “…no reasonable prospect that each of the Ministerial offices would be filled...”
    before the 25th then he “…* may [will] make an order bringing Schedule 3 into force on the day following the day on which the order is made.” In other words the Assembly is dissolved. 

    *This depends on whether the secretary of state for Wales etc has had
    the nod from his future boss Gordon Brown for it would be a nice feather in the
    cap of a new PM to be the one to have a working Executive in Northern Ireland.

    Plan A – Ship sails with all souls aboard
    The ‘restoration order’ made by PH on the 25th will revoke section 1 of the Northern Ireland
    Act 2000 and we will have home rule by the 26th subject to Schedule 2 of the 2006 Act. The 2000 Act is repealed and so is Schedule 3 of the 2006 Act.

    Plan B – Shipmaster missing in port
    Its Plan A all the way in the hope that Ian Paisley accepts the post of First Minister by the 26th. If he does not, the Secretary of State must on the 27th make an order that will take effect on the 28th that will  revoke the restoration order, made under the 2000 Act, and state the reasons: the Assembly will be dissolved (Schedule 3 2006 Act).

    Anything i have missed?

  • Dougal

    fair_deal

    “Surely the evidence of an election less than 10 days ago provides more direct evidence? ”

    You would think so wouldn’t you? But I’m not so sure. In the run up to the elction, Dupper rhetoric surrounding the possibibilty of going in to a power-sharing government by March 26 was the same as the rhetoric the Shinners were using regarding support for police. In an attempt to be all things to all men, both were deliberately ambiguous.

    Everyone I know wants a devolved executive to happen by the March deadline and that includes people of all political persuasions. I know this is, in itself, prooves nothing so that is why I ask the question on here about the broad connsus of Unionist opinion.

    I think the Duppers will “do the deal”. I’m not sure if parcifal is right to say they will because they won’t want to be seen to collapse the institutions, (thouh I don’t question this is a strong influencing factor). I believe it will happen because the weight of Unionist opinion is behind it…, or am I wrong?

  • bruce

    “If the Bel Tel can make fools out of so many of the NewDupe MLA`s so quickly what will IRA/MI5 do to them?”

    What are you talking about? I saw an article in BT but do not understand how it might be perceived to make a fool out of anyone … and have the IRA not gone away??

  • Sam Flanagan

    bruce

    What are you talking about? I saw an article in BT but do not understand how it might be perceived to make a fool out of anyone … and have the IRA not gone away??

    Your lack of insight demonstrates you are foolish enough to be a NewDupe member !

    No IRA/MI5 have not gone away!

  • Petey

    Poor auld Sam Flanagan spoutin nonsense “IRA/MI5″…. what is your actual point in this? That there were touts in the IRA? Jaysus!! A shocking development there. If anything, just another damning indictment of British occupation in Ireland.

  • Sam Flanagan

    Petey
    Try reading……
    Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    Deuteronomy 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    Your statement “That there were touts in the IRA? ” could get you a prize for making the greatest understatement ever made regarding Irish politics.

    When the full story of Irish Repubicanism is revealed you will most likely find the only one who was not a “tout”/BA was Brendan Hughes!!

    I think the penny is beginning to drop with him, though it will take much longer for a dummy like you!!

  • Petey

    I don’t need the bible as a crutch through life Sam a chara and dismiss all that it says. 🙂

    Your statement “That there were touts in the IRA? “ could get you a prize for making the greatest understatement ever made regarding Irish politics.

    When the full story of Irish Repubicanism is revealed you will most likely find the only one who was not a “tout”/BA was Brendan Hughes!!

    I think the penny is beginning to drop with him, though it will take much longer for a dummy like you!!

    And when quoting someone it’s normally good manners to quote the entire sentence which was “That there were touts in the IRA? Jaysus!! A shocking development there.” Everyone knows that Sam so it wasn’t an understatement. It isn’t my problem you feel MI5 activly controlled the IRA which of course, is non-sensical no matter how much you hope it to be true.