Possible link between discovery of bodies?

At such an earlier stage in the investigations it would be wise to keep speculation to a minimum, not least because very little detail has emerged yet, but I think it’s worth noting the two separate murder investigations launched after the discovery of two bodies in separate locations in Belfast this morning, and another man with a gunshot wound was admitted to hospital – “One of victims was bludgeoned to death, while the other is believed to have been shot.” And there appears to be a suspicion that the events might be linked. – “It’s not yet known what the motivation for the attacks were but robbery and a sectarian motive are not suspected.” The RTÉ report points out that the PSNI have not confirmed any link.

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  • Harris

    “It’s not yet known what the motivation for the attacks were but robbery and a sectarian motive are not suspected.”

    Not suprising that “sectarian motive” would immediately be ruled out, as the current state of NI doesn’t need this kind of publicity.

    I’m sure the great PSNI will do and say everything in their power to avoid this being looked upon as sectarian.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Harris,

    these incidents are in no way sectarian. While robbery of the victims themselves was not the motive, robbery is part of the equation.

  • Harris

    Pat

    “these incidents are in no way sectarian.”

    just out of curiosity, what evidence, or lack thereof, has given you that impression?

    “While robbery of the victims themselves was not the motive, robbery is part of the equation.”

    Why?

  • Irish Republican in America

    Thanks Harris, I was just going to ask the same thing.

  • Yokel

    I’m still game for that bet Harris on loyalist paramilitaries being involved.

  • Irish Republican in America

    I have a hunch it was a drug deal gone bad.

  • Gonzo

    There may be a dissident republican theory later.

  • Harris

    Yokel

    “I’m still game for that bet Harris on loyalist paramilitaries being involved.”

    You’re assuming that I made that call, when it was a bit piece from UTV.

    Even if they are wrong, it’s still not inconceivable.

  • Yokel

    Fair enough. Not that I really would bet money on a cause of death but I would be pretty confident that this one isn’t some loyalist plot of any kind.

    Time will tell.

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    Apparently the Ardoyne person was also shot.

    I laughed last week when I read about the new Irish Republican Liberation Army but …

    Have to say it sounded a bit too Monty Python even for Ireland.

  • Rumour has it

    Heard a few people on the street saying it ‘might’ be a new feud, and the groups involved ‘might’ be the CIRA and INLA.

    My mind flickers back to the hit list the dissidents had though, the one for ‘anti-socials’ a few months ago.

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    Interesting that Adams came out so quickly to say go to the police. If it is any sort of dissident activity then this puts the Michelle Gildernew storm in a teacup to bed.

    My feeling re: dissidents is that they could get greater support if they took serious actions against anti-social elements in republican areas.

    If this is a few dead drug dealers tears will not be shed – harsh but true. If it is any type of feud it just shows the disarray these groups are in.

  • The Bog Meadows body is Eddie Burns. One time CIRA member, who broke away from the group a few weeks ago.
    He was shot in the head. Burns is from west Belfast, but had been living in Ardoyne.
    The name I am hearing for the Ardoyne body is Joe Jones.
    There is a dissident republican of the same name from west Belfast.
    Can’t confirm if the killings are linked. Although there has been arguments over weapons, to which Burns was central.

  • gerry

    the guy who was shot is called o’neil from beechmount, don’t know if he is connected in any way to anything. But thats who I heard it was, could be very very wrong.

  • gerry

    I mean the guy in the hospital.

    apologies

  • Correct Gerry, it’s Damian O’Neill.

  • Comrade Stalin

    My feeling re: dissidents is that they could get greater support if they took serious actions against anti-social elements in republican areas.

    The interesting thing is that republican policing methods, long before the current “law and order” phase of the political process, have never actually been successful in stopping crime. The worst blackspot for joyriding in NI is West Belfast – coincidentally the place where you’re most likely to get shot if you were caught.

    On the points about Adams coming out quick, well Adams has no choice. Political circumstances require that he speaks quickly to underline support for the police when it is appropriate to do so. I wouldn’t read anything more than that into it.

  • Dympna

    I know I’m going off thread slightly but it always puzzled me how the shinners knew what to say to the media after someone was murdered and whether it was appropriate to (a) blame it on the loyalists/police/army or (b)say it was a tragedy i.e. they were responsible.

  • Rory

    I think, Dympna, that we might conclude that their intelligence system was excellent.

  • mickhall

    “My feeling re: dissidents is that they could get greater support if they took serious actions against anti-social elements in republican areas.”

    “The interesting thing is that republican policing methods, long before the current “law and order” phase of the political process, have never actually been successful in stopping crime. ”
    posted by comrade stalin [answering the first para above]”

    Exactly comrade stalin,

    Beating or maiming the children of the community should never be an option. Whilst the long war was in progress, teenage delinquents became a threat to armed republicans due to their behavior bringing them to the attention of the RUC etc, who them pressured them to become low level informers.

    Now the war is over for most people, another way must be found to stop local youngsters being a public nuisance. not easy and I am not underestimating the detrimental effect the behavior of these kids can have on a community.

    If the assembly admin get up and running there will be a lot of cash slopping around, and it is imperative it does not stick to greedy fingers, but is targeted at the needs of the most deprived community, be they protestant or catholic.

    Just as youngsters have no right to bully, intimidate and steal from the community they life in. Adult members of that community, no matter who they are have no right to bully and brutalize the aforementioned youngsters. After all by doing so what message does that send out to young people, might is right, and violence is the only may to solve complex problems.

  • confused

    If someone was found murdered or badly beaten at an Orange Hall can you imagine the uproar from republicans blaming OO for involvement.
    This has been an atrocious crime and thank God unionists of any hue were not incriminated.

  • picador

    Well, the ‘geniuses’ of the PSNI have rewarded SF’s newly pledged support by spraying bullets around the Bone while in pursuit of fleeing suspects. Thankfully 1. the CIRA gun cult do not have a martyr 2. no bystanders are dead.

    F··king brilliant, eh!?

  • picador

    And on a completely differet topic (but one I feel rates a mention) the Free State is still banging up people if a police officer suspects (suspicion is enough) that they are a member of an illegal organisation. So no room for perjury, eh!? And we all know that the Gardaí never lie.

    Don Bullman from Cork was sentenced to 4 years at the ‘Special Criminal Court’.

    A f··king joke, if you don’t mind me sayng so.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Well, the ‘geniuses’ of the PSNI have rewarded SF’s newly pledged support by spraying bullets around the Bone while in pursuit of fleeing suspects. Thankfully 1. the CIRA gun cult do not have a martyr 2. no bystanders are dead.

    The police ombudsman will have a word about that. On the face of it, it does indeed seem excessive.

    A f··king joke, if you don’t mind me sayng so.

    You got an answer that explains the box full of cash ?

  • picador

    CS,

    You got an answer that explains the box full of cash ?

    No, but as no charges arose from the box of cash Bullman didn’t have to give an explanation to the court. Instead he has been sent to jail for four years based on the ‘suspicions’ of a police officer.

    In my opinion, this is ridiculous. Internment by another name. Surely we have moved on from this kind of nonsense, box of cash or no box of cash.