Final appeal to sluggerites

Slugger needs two more volunteers. Nine generous individuals have volunteered to pass on result details for our election day coverage however we still have no contact point at the Londonderry Count Centre (East Londonderry/Foyle) and Banbridge Count Centre (Upper Bann/Newry & Armagh). We need this contact point to provide us with the full detailed results of the 1st count and if possible subsequent counts. A mobile phone will be essential plus the contact point(s) must be willing to keep an eye on all the counts at their respective centre and tear themselves away from celebrations/commiserations to contact us quickly with the results. If you are willing contact Mick or myself (fair_deal2005@yahoo.co.uk) with your details and the count centre you will be attending. Also could someone explain to me how D’hondt is calculated again for the distribution of ministerial seats – the software I had been using doesn’t seem to produce the correct results.

  • The Party with the largest total gets the first seat and their running total is divided by two.

    If a party gets a second seat, their running total is a third of their original sum.

    If a party gets a third seat, their running total is a quarter of their original sum. Etc., etc., etc.

    Or, you can use the calculator on election.de and clicking “Mandate Rechner”. Rudimentary German helps, and yes you can get it to deal with totals of 108 if you just override the ‘others’ total when it automatically corrects.

    Or just ring me – I’m off work tomorrow afternoon and Friday and you have my mobile!

  • Henry94

    Also could someone explain to me how D’hondt is calculated again for the distribution of ministerial seats

    Me too.

    And if they could also explain the offside rule to Jane Goody.

  • Sorry, FD, thought this post was from Mick – Mick, please give FD my phone number if he needs it.

  • Worked example:

    DUP 40 SF 25 UUP 17 SDLP 16 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1

    DUP get the first seat, and the new totals are

    DUP 20 SF 25 UUP 17 SDLP 16 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1

    SF get the second seat, new totals are

    DUP 20 SF 12.5 UUP 17 SDLP 16 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1 =DUP2

    DUP 13.33 SF 12.5 UUP 17 SDLP 16 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1 =UUP1

    DUP 13.33 SF 12.5 UUP 8.5 SDLP 16 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1 =SDLP1

    DUP 13.33 SF 12.5 UUP 8.5 SDLP 8 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1 =DUP3

    DUP 10 SF 12.5 UUP 8.5 SDLP 8 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1 =SF2

    DUP 10 SF 8.33 UUP 8.5 SDLP 8 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1 =DUP4

    DUP 8 SF 8.33 UUP 8.5 SDLP 8 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1 =UUP2

    DUP 8 SF 8.33 UUP 6.67 SDLP 8 All 7 Grn 1 Deeny 1 UKUP 1 =SF3

    Final exec: DUP 4, SF 3, UUP 2, SDLP 1. Batting order: DUP, SF, DUP, UUP, SDLP, DUP, SF, DUP, UUP, SF.

  • fair_deal

    SM
    Cheers

  • Which also shows the crap nature of D’Hondt – in the above scenario, Alliance get nothing for 0.67 seats worth and while the UUs get two for 1.62; the SDLP get 1 seat for 1.52 quotas while the Shinners get 3 for 2.38.

    If they were going to use a stupid divisor system for apportioning ministerial seats, Saint-Laguë has long been recognised as being superior to d’Hondt. But if the above scenario does come to pass, then hell slap it up the Stoops who lobbied for and then defended this system to the teeth, with the stupidest comments coming from Alex Attwood with his “European d’Hondt system” lines about something he clearly didn’t understand.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    What happens when parties have equal seat numbers either at the start or down the line? Is the formula modified on the basis of total votes cast for that party?

    I have Alliance & the SDLP on the same no. for the last ministry so the future of NI (agriculture?) depends on the answer.

  • jeep55

    Suppose Alliance do get 7 seats Greens 1 and Deeny 1. Could they form a non-alligned centre ‘alliance’ and claim a ministerial post? Put Deeny into health – that would set the cat amongst the pigeons!!

  • Pete Baker

    “Could they form a non-alligned centre ‘alliance’ and claim a ministerial post?”

    No. As the UUP/PUP Assembly Grouping found out.

  • Michael Shilliday

    No, Peter Robinson, just for continuity, would ask for a ruling which would fall against such a group.

  • jeep55

    Well of course this is what Alliance have been telling us for years – that the system discriminates against the very people who have been most proactive in getting partnership and power-sharing off the ground.

  • Alan

    I thought there was a division by 2 and then a subtraction of 1. Not that I’m any expert.

  • I thought there was a division by 2 and then a subtraction of 1.

    Nope.

  • joeCanuck

    What a novel idea; sharing phone numbers with political opponents (I hate it when people talk about political “enemies”).
    Well done lads.
    Hopefully Ian and Marty will share theirs soon.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    This d’hondt calculator appears to work pretty well.

    http://www.remy.org.uk/dhondt/dhondt.php

    (put 10 not 108 in no. of seats box)

  • Alan

    No – You’re right

    I knew there was a 1 in there somewhere, however – see

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/80047–d.htm#16

    “(18 5) The formula is-
    S / 1 + M

    where-
    S = the number of seats in the Assembly which were held by members of the party on the day on which the Assembly first met following its election;

    M = the number of Ministerial offices (if any) which are held by members of the party.”

  • Ca Va

    Election Results

    The DUP have put up a pretty decent Results chart for each district , all blank at the minute but will give a good overall picture of things tomorrow

  • Mark Bailey

    Only problem with this (http://www.dup.org.uk/) is that the DUP results page for East Antrim has a mix of 2003 and 2007 candidates.