Rugby and football for Croke in 2008

The GAA Central Council has approved the use of Croke Park for rugby 6 nations and football world cup qualifiers in 2008 but have yet to decide on the use of the ground for friendlies.

In addition to closing the door on Croke beyond 2008 and the use of other GAA grounds for rugby and football, the Central Council had a shot at these sports claiming they had not reciprocated by enabling other grounds for GAA sports.

They also confirmed they had heard nothing from Peter Hain regarding his much rumoured commemoration at the forthcoming Ireland v England game.Central Council Meeting

Saturday, February 17

The Central Council held a meeting in Croke Park today to discuss a variety of issues and made the following decisions.

Croke Park 2008

It was agreed to accede to the IRFU and FAI’s request to hold three Six Nation’s Rugby and two World Cup soccer qualifier games respectively in Croke Park in the Spring and Autumn of 2008.

It was also agreed that should planning permission be refused for the Lansdowne Road redevelopment or should any planning permission given render the project unviable, the 2005 Congress decision in relation to use of the Stadium is no longer applicable post 2008.

It was also confirmed that use of no other GAA grounds for any rugby or soccer competitions would be considered and that no such application had been received from the respective governing bodies or are being contemplated by them.

Disappointment was expressed by delegates that no reciprocal gesture was being made to the GAA and that Gaelic games were being excluded from the stadium being built in Tallaght exclusively for soccer which is being financed by the Government in land provided by the local authority.

It was pointed out that a similar situation prevails in relation to Lansdowne Road despite the fact that provision for Gaelic Games was promised in respect of both proposals.

An application in regard to friendly games in 2008 by both the FAI and IRFU was not discussed at today’s meeting.

Bloody Sunday

It was reported that in so far as the GAA is concerned there is no substance to alleged leaks from the Secretary of State’s office in Northern Ireland to the effect that a wreath laying ceremony will take place at the Bloody Sunday memorial in Croke Park on the day of the Ireland v England Rugby game.

  • Southern Observer

    Here’s hoping that you have more success keeping the discussion on the issue of rugby than you had the last time.Speaking of which the finale of the last discussion seems to indicate that the best way to deal with.. ahem.. thread derailers is to keep posting on the subject of *rugby* along with like-minded individuals no matter what

  • Dec

    Michael

    Any word/rumours on team selection against England(thinking Bests/Boss)?

  • Southern Observer

    Perhaps I should amend the above to ‘rugby and soccer’.

  • james

    “Disappointment was expressed by delegates that no reciprocal gesture was being made to the GAA and that Gaelic games were being excluded from the stadium being built in Tallaght exclusively for soccer which is being financed by the Government in land provided by the local authority.”

    According to RTE

    ‘Some’ delegates expressed disappointment that a ‘reciprocal gesture’ was not being made to the GAA on the basis of the opening up of Croke Park.

    ‘Some’ & ‘all’ is a little different in interpretation.

    The GAA response to a memorial

    “The association also dismissed rumours that a wreath would be laid commemorating the victims of Bloody Sunday before Ireland play England in the RBS Six Nations next Sunday.”

  • Pete Baker

    Hmm.. a link to the policital discussion would seem appropriate in this consideration.

  • The thread might have been titled… When Kite Flying Goes Wrong.

  • Droch_Bhuachaill

    “The GAA Central Council has approved the use of Croke Park for rugby 6 nations and football world cup qualifiers in 2008 but have yet to decide on the use of the ground for friendlies.”

    I think that the FAI/IRFU should play their friendlies elsewhere- might be a useful way to bring their national teams to other parts of the country other than Dublin.

  • jerryp

    I agree with BadBoy ; Cloughduv in Cork has a magnificent state-of-the-art facility lying idle a lot of the time. See Rebelgaa forum.

  • iluvni

    Did the GAA actually use the forbidden words ‘Northern Ireland’ in their press release?

  • The Tallaght stadium is not a “reciprocal” issue – Croke Park is a national stadium, Tallaght is to be a club ground and not directly controlled by FAI as Croke is by Central Council. Reciprocity would be playing GAA at Lansdowne if Hill 16 was redeveloped (except even if you closed H16 Croke Pk would probably still hold more people). It’s a sop to throw to those who are sore at this decision to extend Croke-for-garrison-games.

  • páid

    Gonzo,

    spot on.

  • sean

    I think that the GAA are being mischievous, by saying that no reciprocul gesture was being made to the GAA, and also that Gaelic games are to be excluded at the new Football grounds at Tallaght. The GAA has suitable grounds all over Ireland , if one of their major grounds has to be closed to redevelop, and they also know fine well that the standard Rugby or Football ground is too small to play Paddyball or Stickfighting on.

  • Paul

    “The Tallaght stadium is not a “reciprocal” issue – Croke Park is a national stadium”

    Complete tosh – Ireland has no national stadium.
    That’s the core problem.

    Even though FF politicians and the media sometimes treat Croke Park as if it were a state asset, it’s actually owned by the GAA.

    The GAA paid for the ground, and the vast majority of the redevelopment costs. The redevelopment costs were 250 million euro.(5 year old figures, not inflation adjusted). Of that, 110 million was granted by the National Lottery and Govt.
    The Govt actually recouped more in tax on the redevelopment than they paid out in grants.

    Re Tallaght, I think it’s bizarre to exclude gaelic games from a municpal stadium built with public money and land.
    The absurdity becomes distasteful when the GAA are then belatedly excluded from the alleged new national stadium, after being promised that they would be facilitated. And this, after they let other sports into their stadium.

    Imho, GAA HQ should wake up and start playing hardball with the Govyt to get more concessions before agreeing to let rugby and soccer back in.

  • barney

    paul,

    agreed the GAA should play hardball but why let Rugby and Soccer back in? I presume you mean after 2008. There’s no obvious advantage to the GAA. And before anyone says “money”, they can manage fine without squatters.

  • hovetwo

    Reading the text of the press release I didn’t get the sense that the GAA was closing the door on the use of Croke Park beyond 2008 – rather they were saying that the continued use of Croke Park was subject to the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road going ahead i.e. Croke Park is a temporary expedient rather than a permanent facility for soccer and rugby.

    Hope Trimble, Neil Best and Isaac Boss start next week, Flannery at hooker, Murphy / Hickie / Easterby for impact subs…….

  • harpo

    ‘Here’s hoping that you have more success keeping the discussion on the issue of rugby than you had the last time.’

    Observer:

    That isn’t the issue here. The issue is the GAA and its latest decision.

    Are you so scared of discussion that you want to try to define what this thread is all about, from your point of view? So that discussiion will be limited.

    I hope you will start complaining if anyone does start discsuuing rugby and/or soccer team selection, coaching, tactics etc, since those have nothing to do with the GAA’s decision.

  • Donnie

    It’s all gone quiet on the “friendly banter” from those waggish Ulster fans…

    Waiting for Steven Watson to come on and say it’s only a bit of craic!

  • Paul

    Barney,

    re “the GAA should play hardball but why let Rugby and Soccer back in?”

    I have no fundamental objection to anybody using our resources, as long as we get enough out of it ourselves.
    That hasn’t happened so far.

    Cold blooded analysis in a few years time will show that we gave away Croker too cheaply, with not enough going back to the GAA in return.
    I read last week that the IRFU is planning to spend 5 Million of its 10 Million Croker windfall on grassroot initiatives to spread the
    rugby gospel to youth in areas where there has traditionally been no rugby.
    At the same time, we’re getting shouldered out of the hideously misnamed National Stadium at Lansdowne and the
    new Muncipal Stadium at Tallaght.

    The media are very quick to cast any naysayers or doubters as uber-nationalist backwoods men.
    Undoubtably some are, but there is a sizable and growing GAA constituency who have no fundamental objection to rugby or soccer at Croker,
    but realise that the GAA has got very little in this deal.

    If Lansdowne does get the goahead, then any 2009 deal must be conditional on Tallaght being opened to GAA.
    A substantial (ie > 50% ) grant to rebuild one or two regional GAA stadia (Cork / Semple / Galway) should also be included.

    If Lansdowne hits the buffers, then we should consider selling Croker to the nation for its full market value.
    The Govt could then pay to get rid of the hill and replace it with a proper multi tier stand. It would be one hell of a national stadium then. 100k capacity.
    Lets face it, we only fill Croker for the AI Finals and when the Dubs are playing.
    If we ever did the sensible thing and split Dublin into two championship teams, we would need Croker even less.

  • Paul re #13 I was talking about Croke Park being “headquarters” of the GAA not that it is a National Stadium like the Bertie Bowl was going to be. As for your post at #18 – you’re talking about opening Tallaght for ever in exchange for a couple of matches in 2009. Fewk right off. I’d rather the FAI went to Windsor Park. Don’t talk to me about rights to grounds when the GAA colluded with the AOH to grab Flower Lodge.

    Any permanent openings of garrison grounds to gaelic should be in exchange for the GAA ripping up their “vested grounds” rules so Munster could, assuming an OK from the Munster Council and the relevant county boards play in the Gaelic Grounds, Fitzgerald, Semple and the Pairc rather than supersizing Thomond and Musgrave.

  • willowfield

    Why does the GAA want to use the Tallaght stadium when it already has Croke Park?

  • barney

    Paul,

    your analysis appears to be based on economics and national infrastructure. The simple fact is that there’s only one GAA around and gaelic games will not survive without it. It is not good enough that any advantages it enjoys over its rivals should be given away so that they can grow stronger at its expense. Your strategy will give us excellent facilities for Soccer and Rugby and a slow miserable death for a uniquely Irish cultural activity. Soccer and Rugby will do fine with or without successful Irish organisations, Football and Hurling will die without a successful GAA. Being good neighbours is going to kill the GAA. But what the heck, the Hill will have a roof and that’s the important thing.

  • barney

    Willowfield
    Why does the GAA want to use the Tallaght stadium when it already has Croke Park?

    Croke’s not in Tallaght.

  • Alan Anderson

    Hi, well i reckon that the FAI should bog right off what happened the millions they made over 3 world cups and a euro championships. God bless the IRFU they took in leeches in the FAI in the early 80’s by god we better be able to get the FAI out

  • willowfield

    BARNEY

    I never said Croke was in Tallaght.