New Deal on Korean Nukes?

The six nation talks in China seem to have borne fruit. North Korea has been given sixty days to “freeze” the nuclear reactor involved in its weapons programme and allow international inspections of the site in return for fuel oil or its equivalent. If North Korea continues and completes the process of denuclearisation it will receive further aid and electrical power.

  • Yokel

    This deal doesn’t cover any existing nuclear weapons that they have on the shelves does it?

  • heck

    now we just have to get our own dear leader to give up his nukes.

    sorry honest tony is white

  • parcifal

    Shame David Vance doesn’t post on things like this

  • Upon another note, did anyone wonder why the writing on the RPG Grenades that are alleged to be from Iran and used to kill American soldiers in Iraq is in English and dated 2006?

    If these weapons are being smuggled across the Iranian borger and are being made in Iran one would think the writing would be in Arabic.

  • Damien Okado-Gough

    Following the recent nuclear test by the DPRK there were statements by low-ranking and not-so-low-ranking ministers in Abe’s cabinet suggesting that Japan would seriously need to consider developing its own nuclear deterent.

    Such was the severity of the statements that the anti-nuclear lobby here took to the streets in uncharacteristic protest. The LDP under Koizumi and now Abe is seen as being more hawkish and they are seeking to revise the pacifist constitution, another move which is not so popular here.

    However, there is a school of thought that the statements regarding a Japanese nuclear deterent were more to do with concentrating the minds of its regional neighbours China, South Korea and Russia, who are also party to the six-nation talks.

    A nuclear-armed Japan with a growing armed force not subject to a pacifist constitution would result in a regional arms race and serious heightening of regional tensions, something which none of the above want.

    If the DPRK has bowed to pressure from China and its other neighbours then that is a very good sign for the future.

  • heck

    Fair deal

    while on the subject of foreign affairs did you like Obama’s put down of that idiot and blair clone John Howard?

  • fair_deal

    heck

    I didn’t hear it, what was it?

  • heck

    John howard, the australian primeminister, on australian TV said that al Qaeda was praying for a Barack Obama win and that this would be a god send for “the terrorists”.

    Obama fired back essentially calling howard a chickenhawk and saying that if he felt that way he should draft 21000 australians and send them to iraq.

    I see that he also said the dixie chicks supported al qaeda.

    http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=13588

    dixie chicks
    http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/?itemid=2202

    I don’t know much about obama but what I see I like. As for Howard I hope the australians are embarassed. He must be an idiot

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Art Hostage: “Upon another note, did anyone wonder why the writing on the RPG Grenades that are alleged to be from Iran and used to kill American soldiers in Iraq is in English and dated 2006? ”

    The .50 caliber anti-material rifles are of Austiran manufacture, sold to Iran, allegedly for their police, by Mannlicher. Does the fact that the language on the rifle itself is German mean these don’t count as well?

    Just because there are weapons being smuggled across the border and some of those weapons are being manufactured in Iran does not mean that *all* the weapons so smuggled are of Iranian manufacture.

  • Yokel

    Art Hostage, in short no they are not always in Arabic, in fact rarely.

    Not least Iranians speak Persian, secondly, fairly standard for part numbers & details to be in English. Even Chinses made weaponary, take a look up some catalogues.

    To give another example, all German Air Force ground engineers on the Eurofighter programme will need to learn technical english to train up on how to maintain the aircraft.

    Worth a try Art, but wrong.

  • Thanks for the insight.

    It is just after the WMD fiasco I think questioning allegations, especially those that could be used to justify war, should be questioned.

    IMO the Ne-con hawks, headed by Vise President Dick Cheney, are ratcheting up pressure for an attrack on Iran before President Bush leaves office.

  • Nobel nominees take note: There is a new genius on the block and it’s George Feckin’ Bush, the man with the time machine!!!!

    He played that old country and western record backwards and my dog came back to life, my pickup runs, and my five or six ex-wives have returned from living with Virgil and Lorleene, their parents.

    The stain disappeared from Monica’s dress

    The Butcher of Baghdad still breathes but a couple hundred thousand Iraqis are alive and their lights & water work.

    It’s 1994 all over again.

  • Mario el argentino

    Funny this seems like the same deal that president Clinton negotiated and that Bush slammed way back.

  • Difference this time is 2 million tons of heating oil a year rather than One million under the Clinton agreement.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mario: “Funny this seems like the same deal that president Clinton negotiated and that Bush slammed way back. ”

    It got slammed, iirc, because the North Koreans weren’t living up to their end of the agreement.

    And, y’know what? If there isn’t a strict observation regieme, combined with some sort of penalty / enforcement for violation of the agreement, attached to this one, this one won’t work, either.

  • Mario el argentino

    I think the difference here is China and not Bush. China is more interested this time around.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mario: “I think the difference here is China and not Bush. China is more interested this time around. ”

    there is that… but then, the first time around, China could enjoy watching the Stalinist little goon give the rest of the region jitters…

    Then the little crazy actually set off a bomb.

    Once again, once the rhetorical enteres the realm of the real, people take notice.

    However, my point was that the original agreement was kicked to the curb because the little pompadoured ego-maniac pretty much ignored the agreement from the get-go. At that point, there was not much reason to continue to go along with the bargain.

  • “It got slammed, iirc, because the North Koreans weren’t living up to their end of the agreement”.

    Is your half truth really another of your lies, Phreddy?

    We didn’t live up to our part of the bargain

    The bastards in Gingrich’s 1994 republican congress tubed that deal the same way their fathers (had they known them) helped Lodge and Borah tube Wilson’s plans in the March of 1920.

    Please recycle lies somewhere else, Phreddy, we’ve already wasted a decade over them.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Smilin’ Jim: “The bastards in Gingrich’s 1994 republican congress tubed that deal the same way their fathers (had they known them) helped Lodge and Borah tube Wilson’s plans in the March of 1920. ”

    Aw, poor jim — not even your own sources support your contention. Even Wikipedia notes that Clinton made the agreement in bad faith.

    “It is reported that US President Bill Clinton’s officials agreed to the plan only because they thought that the North Korean government would collapse before the nuclear power project was completed as North Korea’s leader Kim Il-sung had recently died.[4]. ”

    It was no-one’s priority. Clinton made a bad deal, in bad faith, for a photo-op and it was orphaned within two weeks, if you believe the guy in charge. Bubba and the boys assumed the PDRK was making the final turn around the bowl and they wouldn’t be held to their word.

    However, reading the article, the biggest problems were more bureaucratic – oil was delivered, albeit late. Work on the reactor was proceeding, albeit slowly. Was the U.S. side of the bargain sagging? Yeah — but things got round-filed only after the “dear leader” dumped a turd in the punchbowl and ‘fessed up to a uranium enrichment program. Bubba didn’t want to spend any capital on the deal and it certainly wasn’t on Congress’ radar, especially if it was not on Bubba’s agenda.

    If you had read the Wiki-article, a more honest assessment was that a memorandum of agreement was lauded as a solution, with no one willing to sort out the details, which bogged matters down until NK revealed their duplicity.

    Go peddle *your* papers elsewhere, Jim… or at least cite sources that support your contention.

  • It ain’t worth it kid to lie about stuff that occurred when you were in day care or toilet training. Why cheat your employer out of more time, he’s bound to find out and you’ll be minus your paper hat and living under a bridge.

    “However, reading the article, the biggest problems were more bureaucratic”

    Bureaucratic my ass. Congress held everything up (Hells bells, they even closed down the goddamned government, ferchristsakes) and Clinton went to the extreme of having DOD deliver some of their oil to prop the agreement up before the republicans pocket vetoed the deal with inaction. That’s just the way it was.

    Please go lie somewhere else.