Hyland to stand as independent republican

The former Sinn Féin MLA, Davy Hyland has confirmed to the Irish News[subs req] that he will stand in the Assembly elections as an independent republican in the Newry and Armagh constituency. Another former SF MLA Pat McNamee is noted as supporting Davy Hyland’s campaign in the report which also states that “a Sinn Féin cumann in County Antrim has been wound up after the majority of its members resigned in protest at Sinn Féin’s new policing strategy.”

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  • I couldn’t reply to Chris Gaskin on my dissident predictions thread because the thread went up the swanny, but his comment that there are no problems within Sinn Féin in South Armagh are just delusional. As well as McNamee and Hyland, Jim McAllister (one of SF’s 1982 Assembly members, three times Newry & Armagh Westminster candidate and councillor from 1983-95) also seems to be backing Hyland. We’re not talking about a few malcontents who wandered off to join the Real IRA in the ’90s here.

    Through a masterstroke of diplomacy and a fair degree of chutzpah, Adams has managed to keep Slab and friends on board but that won’t necessarily stop votes leaching off to Hyland from ordinary republicans. Hyland’s achilles heel will be Armagh district and I still struggle to see how he can win a seat himself but he could let the SDLP win their second seat back. Eilis Haughey is an attractive candidate (in all sorts of ways).

  • Sorry, meant Sharon Haughey. Eilis is somebody different.

  • heck

    I know Pat McNamee. I knew the fighting men from crossmaglen would not let us down. Comeon chris gaskin get off ding a ling ingram’s bus and get on Hyland’s

  • Paul

    Slabs crowd are far from on board, a row has errupted between some of slabs crowd and the Carraghers over this very policing issue.

  • Plum Duff

    If it is true, as was suggested at the time of Davy Hyland’s deselection, that the reason for his ousting was a singular lack of work and commitment, on his part, in the local constituency, it should be interesting to see how many hours he puts into this campaign without the benefit of SF’s well-oiled machine behind him this time around. He’s taking a lot on his shoulders – not to mention the buckets of bile and vitriol which will be headed his way should he enter the fray!

  • Ca Va

    See that Paddy Power is offering odds on Power Sharing taking place

  • parcifal

    ca va
    Will there be power-sharing in the North post march 2007 elcetion.
    Yes 1/2 No 6/4
    Mick what were you saying about the smart money ?

  • Keith Rodgers

    Where to now Davy – the mongrels bite is the worst bite

  • Votail Davy Hyland 1

    Keep up the fight Davy.

    No 1 come 7th March

  • sean

    The Green sheep gave their vote for Davy Hyland but not any longer.. Like they say, there’s no honour amongst (bank robbing) thieves..

  • Ingram

    Ding Ding

    Ingram

  • Sammy-

    “Hyland’s achilles heel will be Armagh district and I still struggle to see how he can win a seat himself…”

    The entry of McNamee into the fray could provide the critical mass for the Hyland campaign to secure a seat. Although he was a Newry and Mourne councillor, prior to his exit from the scene in 2003 McNamee had built up a considerable support base in the north of the parliamentary constituency. In fact the current, and apparently also deselected, MLA Pat O’Rawe was his assistant at the time.

    In a related issue, it seems bizarre that SF still don’t seem to have confirmed their candidates in N&A, despite the fact that it would be seen as one of their strong constituencies and the election has been called. Pretty hard to campaign when you haven’t decided who you’re campaigning for, eh?

  • Ingram

    Heck,

    “Comeon chris gaskin get off ding a ling ingram’s bus and get on Hyland’s ”

    Posted by heck on Feb 02, 2007 @ 04:01 PM

    It seems the Ingram little red London bus has been taken up by chief station master (Adams), take a look at this Gasket quote from his blog site! pure magic

    “Gerry spoke about this process being a bus journey to a United Ireland, a journey that will have a few stops along the way. At these stops he said that people will get off but many more will get on.

    I was very sorry to hear that Sinn Féin Newry and Mourne Deputy Mayor Martin Connolly was one of those who got off the bus at this stop.

    Martin is a sound bloke and a sound Republican (, his input and opinion will be sadly missed. I can understand though why he felt that this was a step too far.”
    posted by Chris Gaskin @ 12:29 AM

    The Bus as not yet departed but most of the seats are occupied! I just hope they have a large lunch box because they are going on a very long journey?

    Ding Ding

    Ingram

  • Rory

    So far we’ve had “Green sheep” and “biting mongrels” and “buckets of bile” and “jerky ‘bus trips”.

    Is this a brain storming session for a Doctor Who episode?

    Or, ought I not mention “The Doctor”?

  • parcifal

    rory,
    no its plain ol fashined trolls doing what they do best, its just the spliff that makes it look like Dr.Who. I saw Deperate Dan Marty, and his feral hillbillies
    Two’s up, on that one you’ve rolled 😉

  • Rory

    p.s. I cannot help but wonder, Sammy, is Sharon as lovely “in all respects” as is Eilish?

    If I were you I would most certainly insist that she is, though even that will hardly be enough to get you a doghouse parole.

    I can only but shudder in horror at the thought of Herself catching me out in a gaffe like that. All men’s thoughts will be with you at this great moment of peril.

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    Getting back to the point. Davy is highly unlikely to win a seat but I agree he could do enough to let SDLP get a 2nd seat.

    Sharon Haughey? I always thought she could do with eating a few more pastie suppers. Anyway I think Durkans golden girl will push hard to get the 1st SDLP seat just in case.

    I wonder if her cousins that killed that sex offender do any damage to her campaign – perhaps it will help.

  • If I were you I would most certainly insist that she is, though even that will hardly be enough to get you a doghouse parole.

    Rory – Mr. Sammy Morse is well that my bread is buttered strictly on one side and aware that my appreciation of her beauty is purely aesthetic! 😉

    Besides, pretty as she is, she isn’t a patch on unsuccessful Green council candidate in Bangor Abbey, Kelly Andrews. Now she really was worth getting a divorce over.

  • The Devil

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  • starbuck

    Jaysus the Divils hard to please

    http://www.greens-in.org/show_image.php?id=361

  • Crataegus

    I don’t entirely agree with Hyland but am glad that he is running and hope that some of these people are elected. It is good for democracy if a wide body of opinion is represented.

    El Matador
    The entry of McNamee into the fray could provide the critical mass for the Hyland campaign to secure a seat.

    I agree Hyland may do a lot better than some wish to consider. I have always had the distinct impression that there have been a lot of problems within SF in South Down, Newry, Armagh going back a fair number of years.

  • banjoonmyknee

    Now Mr. Ingram you know that not everybody who needs a lunchbox gets one, but we live in hope of a bright and brand new day.

  • BeardyBoy

    Sinn Fein Cumman in County Antrim anyone? I think it is my local one – remember my posts from earlier reporting great unease and indeed predicting this?

    Does this qualify for a ding ding for me Ingram?

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    Being that the SF strategy is based on elections north and south check out http://www.electionsireland.org

    It doesnt have the norths assembly results but for everything else it is top notch.

    Have a look at how many seats SF are targeting especially in Dublin.

    For all us election anoraks it is essential.

  • Ingram

    Beardy Boy,

    Yes, you have control of the bell!

    Can I ask! is the County Antrim Cumman one of those that voted formaly against the Adams motion at the Ard Fheish ?

    Banjoon,

    Very true, not everybody gets a free lunch but those that do KNOW that it comes at a price.

    Regards.

    Ingram

  • sderrynantrim

    Portglenone is the SF cumann that folded because not one would back the police.

  • Pacman

    Nuacht an t-Iur put through my door last night stated that Mickey Brady will be a candidate. So combined with Conor Murphy, that’ll be two on the SF ticket.

    I think I’ll keep my vote with Davy.

  • are no problems within Sinn Féin in South Armagh are just delusional

    There are no problems within Sinn Féin in South Armagh.

    As well as McNamee and Hyland, Jim McAllister (one of SF’s 1982 Assembly members, three times Newry & Armagh Westminster candidate and councillor from 1983-95) also seems to be backing Hyland. We’re not talking about a few malcontents who wandered off to join the Real IRA in the ‘90s here.

    And what?

    Through a masterstroke of diplomacy and a fair degree of chutzpah, Adams has managed to keep Slab and friends on board but that won’t necessarily stop votes leaching off to Hyland from ordinary republicans.

    If you honestly believe that Davy is going to get any class of vote out of South Armagh then you are living in a fantasy world!

    I still struggle to see how he can win a seat himself but he could let the SDLP win their second seat

    That is what Republicans who are considering voting for Davy must decide.

    Is that what they want?

    I knew the fighting men from crossmaglen would not let us down

    What are you on about heck?

    Republicans in Crossmaglen are behing the leadership on this.

    Comeon chris gaskin get off ding a ling ingram’s bus and get on Hyland’s

    I know Davy so don’t fool yourself that he is anti-policing, everything he said while in the party was in support of the leadership.

    He is doing this because he wasn’t selected and he has no one to blame for that but himself.

  • Chris-

    Any word of who has been confirmed as running for SF in Newry and Armagh? A bit strange that we still haven’t had a public statement AFAIK despite the elction campaign now being on. A bit hard to canvass when you don’t know who’s stading, eh?

  • Crataegus

    Gerry

    Have a look at how many seats SF are targeting especially in Dublin.

    There is a big difference between standing and targeting!

    El Matador

    Who is running for SF in Newry and Armagh?

    You have asked this a number of times and deadly silence. Must be surreal canvassing for SF in South Armagh. Talk about expecting a leap of faith, vote for our guy he’s great, don’t know who he is, or she for that matter but they are bound to be just peachy honest. The mystery candidate or candidates.

  • Shane O’Neill

    Chris Gaskin
    I still struggle to see how he can win a seat himself but he could let the SDLP win their second seat

    That is what Republicans who are considering voting for Davy must decide.

    Even if that were the case, what’s the difference between PSF and SDLP, they both almost identical in policy and politics. At least the SDLP always carried their policies throughout. Can’t say the same for PSF who are trying to be all things to all mean in order to get the votes rolling in.

    Power through any policy, so long as power is achieved.

  • And what?

    Chris, is this the level of debating skill you bring to the legal world? So, you’re saying that losing two former Assembly members from the party and having them back a third former Assembly member running as an independent doesn’t count as important?

    Look, if you can’t come up with a decent counterargument, just lurk on the thread. All you’re doing here is proving there are problems.

    Spinning doesn’t work on a blog.

  • Shane- provisionals may indeed play the ‘if you vote for Davy Hyland you will end up helping the SDLP’ card, but then why would Davy supporters owe PSF anything? PSF shafted Hyland- this is a democracy and he has a right to run regardless of provo scare tactics. As you mentioned, at least the SDLP were honest with the electorate, unlike the provos who sent people to their deaths and put people to death to arrive at essentially the same point- Hylandites have no reason to measure their actions to help PSF against the SDLP.

    The SDLP will regain their second seat, whatever the scenario- as far as the republican vote goes, the question is whether it will be 1 PSF/ Hyland, or 2 PSF (slim chance of 2 PSF/ Hyland). With a broad field of candidates on both the nationalist and unionist side, it will be interesting to see how it will go.

  • Sammy

    Jim left the party a good few years ago, I am not sure what Pat’s position is. My comment was in relation to the assertion that there are problems within Sinn Fein in South Armagh.

    You or anyone else have yet to show any proof.

    The fact that Davy is being endorsed by these people does not mean diddly squat. This is not going to influence ordinary Republicans because they can see through this whole facade with Davy.

    Now, when you present arguements worthy of debate I will expand a little further, until then

    And what?

  • Chris Donnelly

    El Mat

    You’re a classic case of a party hack who’s lost the run of himself.

    Do you really believe there is any prospect of Sinn Fein not gaining at least 2 MLA seats in Newry/ Armagh, as your last post suggested?

    I can’t envisage any scenario in which Sinn Fein don’t gain at least 2 seats and more likely all three currently held, albeit on the back of Hyland’s eliminated transfers.

    Next you’ll be telling us that Marietta Farrell’s selection in Lagan Valley was a stroke of strategic genius and not a last minute scramble when the party realised she was the only ‘suitable’ substitute on Lewsley’s list….

  • darragh

    I know there’s a lot of people p****d off with the Shinners in Newry. People who have been promised lots and given little, people who dont like the way Davy has been treated. I think this is one of the reasons why he is standing. Of course SF will turn on the face of confidence but the results will speak for themselves and any one in Newry will tell you; it’s closer than you think Casey!

  • Chris-

    I’d be more likely to be able to predict Sinn Féin’s likely performance if they’d actually get around to telling the people of Newry and Armagh who they are actually putting forward for election.

    It must be pretty difficult telling people on the doorsteps in Armagh to vote for the invisible man/ woman. I see SF had to run with their election edition of Nuacht an Iúir agus Ard Mhacha with virtually no mention of the north of the constituency.

    At least nationalists know Bradley, Haughey and Hyland are standing.

  • Crataegus

    Suggest they use Rene Magritte’s Son of Man as their election poster.

  • Rory

    I’m not so sure the bowler hat would prove all that appealing to Republican voters, dissident or no, Crataegus.

  • heck

    chris

    you are on the ground and I am not but I doubt that “Republicans in Crossmaglen are behind the leadership on this”. That’s not what I hear and read. Pat McNamee grew up in the square in Cross, and when I was last in South Armagh Jim mcAllister spoke at the funeral in Mullabawn of a former blanket man from Crossmaglen who was opposed to the leadership direction. (he died of natural causes)

    Chris how many republican from the 70s and 80s have just drifted away because of the leadership direction?

  • Heck

    A little advice, don’t believe everything you are told or indeed read.

    By all means don’t listen to me either but you will have to listen come election time and the electorate in South Armagh endorse Sinn Fein in massive numbers, at least 75% plus!

    The Republicans of the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s are still there becuase I speak to them at Cumann and Comhairle Ceantair meetings.

  • Do you really believe there is any prospect of Sinn Fein not gaining at least 2 MLA seats in Newry/ Armagh, as your last post suggested?

    I have to agree Chris D, this is wishful thinking on El Mat’s point.

    By all means don’t listen to me either but you will have to listen come election time and the electorate in South Armagh endorse Sinn Fein in massive numbers, at least 75% plus!

    Chris G: They endorsed Sinn Fein 75% plus in one election. It took Sinn Fein a long time to build up from what was once a minority position to their currently dominant one. Major events have occurred since the last election in 2005, one need hardly say, which must be particularly unsettling in an area with such a strong traditional republican base as South Armagh. Take the electorate for granted at your peril.

  • While events may have been unsettling Sammy no one has walked away in South Armagh because of it. No one is taking anyone for granted, I have faith in the electorate in South Armagh.

    The atmosphere on the ground is very positive

    Let’s wait till March when you will recieve your answer!

  • Glen Taisie

    “no one has walked away in South Armagh”

    So republicans in North Antrim/South Derry are more concerned about the policing issue than the 4×4’s in South Armagh. Strange?

  • Crataegus

    Rory

    I’m not so sure the bowler hat would prove all that appealing to Republican voters

    In the eyes of independent republicans give SF a year or two and anything is possible!

  • WHOSEuKIDDIN

    The SDLP now seem to be banking on Davy as the key to winning them top Newry SDLP man Paul Hoben who had Davy in the photo with him at the recent FairTrade event, no sign of dominic et al. The rationale being Davy will take enough votes from Sinn Féin to let Dominic who I feel is the weaker SDLP candiate take the second seat. Never mind Davy will be able to hold onto the £24,000 pay redundancy package (no party to give it to) or will his genuine republican principals ensure he doesnt take it. I see he also was involved in organising a meeting with the PSNI in the Mourne Country Hotel to discuss matters relating to the incident in Derrybeg, this only three weeks after he was out at the Armore re issues at High Street(deny that one Davy) Ruairi O Bradaigh was right, these boys who kept with Sinn Fein until the wages stopped, all bluffers – self interests. True Republicans will vote for none of them.