No more dancing on pinheads…

At the weekend Martin McGuinness said several times that he was fed up with having to dance on pinheads every time someone asked him whether he would advise them to report a rape or murder to the PSNI. Now although it is not clear when or how Sinn Fein’s undoubtedly historic acceptance of state based policing will actually take effect, Gerry Adams has finally announced that victims of serious crimes should indeed go to the police.

  • Ingram

    Thats the game he has elected to play!, he can now help the police himself with the McCARTNEY killers. The family have been making it clear in the press that they expect him to deliver up those involved and those that conspired to cleanse the crime scene?

    He as already admitted he held an inquiry into the events and the family say he knows who carried out the murder. Cue DUP to hail a taxi! taxi for Mr Adams to the nearest PSNI station.

    Ding Ding

    Ingram

  • Gerry Adams publicaly urging republicans to go to the police is a truly historic moment, and one that many people thought they would never see, both loyalist and republican.

    however, credit seems to be in short supply, which me leaves me thinking that devloved power will only be truly restored when Lord Lucan arrives at Stormont riding Shergar.

  • Nevin

    So Martin has been dancing while Gerry operates the strings? Could words not have been put in his mouth at the same time? 😉

  • parcifal

    will paisley finally announce that victims of siege-mentality paranoi, should indeed go into powersharing?

  • joeCanuck

    Martin

    You disappoint me (as if you care), but you know that the “ding ding” drives some people crazy (not me, I thought it was quite funny.)
    But the bus is now accelerating down the road and SF are aboard.
    Maybe you’re now addicted to it. If so, perhaps in the interest of harmony, you might consider cutting back to a single “Ding”.
    You will stop using the phrase eventually.

  • mfm.

    How droll you sluggerettes are – witless turds the lot of you.

  • Ingram

    Joe,

    The deal was I would curtail the posting of my catchy slogan untill the AF backed the ADAMS motion. For the last two weeks I have refrained from posting Ding Ding in accordance with my undertaking BUT!

    now that the bus is conditionaly on the road or as some would refer to it OTR! I have resumed.

    To return to the topic! do you agree Adams should now help the Police as the McCartney family have requested?

    Regards.

    Ingram

    PS. Nearly forgot !Ding Ding

  • McGrath

    SF/Adams should help the police regarding McCartney and the Northern Bank etc, and the DUP should disclose their sources within the PNSI for every instance of their tattletaling under parliamentary privilege, but I doubt it is going to happen in either case. SF are no more likely to turn into policemen anymore than the DUP are.

  • joeCanuck

    Yes Martin
    I do agree.
    The problem with the McCartney killing, as with many other cases, is that Adams believing he knows who did the killing is a lot different from legal proof.
    I would be very surprised if the PSNI don’t also “know” who did the killing.
    If Adams has direct evidence, yes, he should hand it over.
    That would establish once and for all SF’s bona fides w.r.t. accepting the rule of law and order.

  • Henry94

    “If some unfortunate person is the victim of a rape, if those despicable elements who are going around terrorising old people in their homes continue, and if death riders continue to mow down people, if that happens, Sinn Fein will be encouraging people to work and co-operate with police to take these people off the streets.

    I hope that clarifies the meaning of the Ard Fheis motion for those who had doubts.

  • Ingram

    Joe,

    It is for the police SB/CID to decide what is and what is not material of evidential value .They will then decide if any information given impacts on any “Informers” involved in the attck and/ or any other material facts which may affect their investigation.

    The sight of Adams making a statement to the PSNI SB/CID upon his admitted inquiry will be interesting. I agree with you though that it would be a good litmus test as to his Bona Fides.

    McGRATH,

    QUOTE but I doubt it is going to happen in either case. SF are no more likely to turn into policemen anymore than the DUP are.

    The DUP are not on public /govt / other parties notice and of course they will be monitored by the IMC in Hain`s own words for YEARS to come.There are hundreds of DUP PSNI policemen.

    Regards

    Ingram

  • Ingram

    Henry 94,

    For the benefit of clarity! are you saying Adams and Sinn Fein are not prepared to advise Nationalists to inform the police if they saw dissident republicans planting mortars say near Keady PSNI station?

    Regards

    Ingram

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    I’m sure you don’t expect me to clarify someone else’s position for them. I’m happy to clarify my own if you like.

    I would do what I thought was appropriate to prevent loss of life in any situation.

    I don’t think people need or expect a list from Sinn Fein detailing what they should go to the police with and what they should not. That is something for people to work out for themselves over time. The Ard Fheis motion provides the context for an evolving relationship between the police and the community.

    The onus to make it work is on the police more than the community.

  • Mick Fealty

    Henry,

    Surely it has to be ratified by the AC? Is Gerry jumping the gun somewhat?

  • Rubicon

    Martin – in Adams’ words, “The communities we represent have a right to a policing service.”

    I’d read that as an unconditional “yes” to your question.

    If there’s doubt it is in the dissidents being able to mount such an operation. They seem so riddled with informers that they’re not able to move more than an incendiary device without being picked up. Who knows, perhaps nationalists have already been informing on dissident activities. They invited the ire and disgust of more than unionists when dissidents blew up Omagh.

  • Henry94

    Mick

    I don’t see how. I think it was perfectly clear in the motion that support for the ordinary activities of the police could begin immediately.

    The AC have mandates arising out of the motion and it will be a matter for them to carry them out as they see fit.

    But for ordinary people on the ground there is no mandate from the motion to do or not do anything.

    They are entitled to take the Ard Fheis at its word and use the police service. They don’t need the AC to do anything in particular for that to begin.

  • parcifal

    Henry,
    also the choreography dovetails neatly, as Paisley has got something ( Adams statement) for his “Now or Never” response last night;
    plus, with the Premiers meeting tomorrow, they can declare that SF is delivering on policing, and call the election.

    I would even suggest that judging by today, and from now on, vitually all of the major players’ statements have been agreed, and declared to each other in advance.

    The footwork is quite graceful

    The smart money is surely for a flyer in March.

  • McGrath

    “The DUP are not on public /govt / other parties notice and of course they will be monitored by the IMC in Hain`s own words for YEARS to come.There are hundreds of DUP PSNI policemen.

    Regards

    Ingram”

    I was referring more to politicians behaving as policemen, rather than the political affiliations of any particular policeman.

    Isn’t expecting a politician to be an honest policemen in NI a little oxymoronic? SF aren’t going to make the DUP’s job any easier and vice versa!

  • john burns

    I’m no fan of Sinn Fein but it seems to me that they cannot win! No matter what they decide people are still saying it’s not enough.

  • Ingram

    Rubicon,

    quote I’d read that as an unconditional “yes” to your question.

    Thanks, I would also, Henry seems unsure what the current Sinn Fein position is.

    Mick F. Adams has not jumped any gun! he is the gun.

    McGrath. Agreed.

    Regards.

    Ingram

  • parcifal

    Its important to point out that Gerry Adams also said today:

    “The DUP has no veto over this motion or Sinn Fein’ approach to policing. No party can lecture any other party about law and order or set tests. The people we represent are as law abiding as anyone else.”

    What I admire about this approach is that Republicans are holding their heads up high, and claiming the AF victory last night for themselves.

    That’s how to do it !

    Other wise you simply become a hostage to DUP hopes and fears and/or further hurdles and humiliations.

    Well done SF, turing victimhood on its head and going on the offensive is radical.

    Their progess North and South is now unstoppable.

  • heck

    martin I

    “he can now help the police himself with the McCARTNEY killers”

    indeed –and maybe your buddies can help with exposing collusion and killers within the state security apparattus.

    next stop to get Honest Tony to sign up “the rule of law”

    and can I add all the “ding a lings”

  • Ingram

    Parcifal,

    The Governments and the other political parties have laid down conditions that Sinn Fein must fullfill, indeed Hain said in the house of commons lately that Sinn Fein will be monitored by the IMC in the coming weeks, months and years to make sure they are compliant.

    The DUP, SDLP, UUP are not under that scrutiny ! any idea why?

    Sinn Fein are about to get burried once and for all in the British Criminal Justice system. Like Rubicon has made clear, Adams has now said Republicans must inform on dissident IRA activity?

    That sounds like a good deal to me! like Ian Paisley Jr said on RTE yesterday ” Its a cracker”

    Regards

    Ingram

  • vc

    Am I missing something about the “Ding Ding”? Could someone please enlighten me?

  • parcifal

    Martin,
    if you must resort to making things up, you’re in trouble
    Adams has now said Republicans must inform on dissident IRA activity?
    Nowhere has rubicon said this, or can an interpretation be made of his words to the effect you’ve stated.

    As to conditions laid down, which is the strangle hold you’re hoping for:

    Gerry said this:
    The DUP has no veto over this motion or Sinn Fein’ approach to policing. No party can lecture any other party about law and order or set tests. The people we represent are as law abiding as anyone else.”

    SF are going forward on their own steam, which means delivery too, as its the right thing to do.

    Sorry to disappoint you, we are no longer victims wallowing in self-pity.
    We’re standing proud, and prouder.

    Hurts doesn’t it, after all you’ve said and done to undermine SF?

    No hard feelings mate, you made a play for it, and fell by the wayside. shit happens!

    Our bet’s still on, methinks I’ll win easy 😉

  • Rubicon

    VC – I was praying nobody would ask – you’ve just reminded him to start it again and I was hoping he’d forgot :-(.

    It’s Martin winding up the SF’ers that they’ve just boarded a red London bus and I think he fancies himself as its conductor. Like most spooks – Martin doesn’t much mind collateral damage caused others.

    * mutters while disappearing in to the wilderness with ringing in ears * …

    Mike – any chance of blocking ding, dong and all plurals thereof? It’s like being stuck in a bell tower with Quasimodo!

    Mike – any chance of blocking ding, dongs and all plurals thereof? It like being stuck in a bell tower with Quasimodo!

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    The IMC was always a creature of the British government policy of the day. It’s job now will be to give continuous clean bills of health to Sinn Fein so that there is an “objective” voice insisting that all is well. That will make it difficult for unionists to find excuses for refusing to share power.

    It must be disappointing for you that all the time you wasted here trying to encourage the opposition to Sinn Fein was for nothing.

    So now we’re supposed to be afraid of the IMC telling the world how peaceful Sinn Fein is?

    The only people that will be a problem for are the DUP rejectionists.

  • parcifal

    Martin’s red-hot bus of arguements, is turning into a self imposed red hot sauna, with one very red hot blushing face, and one a red hot bum from all the wallopings.
    LOL
    ding ding

  • Rubicon

    Parcifal – if you start it now the mental health of Slugger will rapidly degenerate and we can’t afford much slippage there.

    (I missed the bet though – what are the terms? The winner ding dings us all to gibbering fools? PLEASE tell me it’s money at stake here!)

  • Ingram

    Parcifal.

    I posed this question:

    For the benefit of clarity! are you saying Adams and Sinn Fein are not prepared to advise Nationalists to inform the police if they saw dissident republicans planting mortars say near Keady PSNI station?

    Rubicon posted this:

    Martin – in Adams’ words, “The communities we represent have a right to a policing service.”

    I’d read that as an unconditional “yes” to your question.

    Posted by Rubicon on Jan 29, 2007 @ 07:17 PM

    So you were wrong on that one and if you honestly think joining a British police force is a step towards Irish unity then enjoy it mate. Like Ian Paisley Jr said “its a cracker”

    in relation to this point you made:

    As to conditions laid down, which is the strangle hold you’re hoping for:

    Gerry said this:
    The DUP has no veto over this motion or Sinn Fein’ approach to policing. No party can lecture any other party about law and order or set tests. The people we represent are as law abiding as anyone else.”

    Like I said, it is everybody else who has laid down the conditions and the hoops Sinn Fein will after jump through to get into bed with the British criminal justice system.It is the SDLP, alliance, 2 Governments etc who will decide Oh and of course the IMC? LOL

    Our bet is still on mate either way , good luck.

    Ingram.

  • parcifal

    agreed rubicon, only once and done.
    The bet is that SF won’t loose any assembly seats, currently at 24.
    23 or less and I loose.
    Its a straight £10 to go to Mick Fealty’s pot.

  • Ingram

    Henry 94,

    quote The IMC was always a creature of the British government policy of the day. It’s job now will be to give continuous clean bills of health to Sinn Fein so that there is an “objective” voice insisting that all is well.

    That is not what Sinn Fein argued in court LAST WEEK about the IMC, Henry!

    Sinn Fein argued this :

    Sinn Fein said it was no surprise that it had failed but its lawyers had managed to uncover secret documents that show the Commission was established to appease unionism.

    The link is here:

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/article2167410.ece

    Henry,It seems you dont understand Sinn Fein, first you are not sure what Adams meant when he says Nationalists and Republicans should report all crimes to the police and now you have misread the Sinn Fein on the IMC?

    You are grasping at thin air mate. LOL

    Ding, Ding.

    Ingram

  • parcifal

    Martin,
    ok ceded I got the first one wrong.

    We all hope post election dissidents won’t be planning mortar attacks, so the need may never arise.

    Also we’ll see how these threats of conditions and hoops work out for the parties you mention at the election.

    As to Irish unity; am working on the final details as we speak; but yes support for civic policing is essential.

    It’ll be a cracker for Ian jnr for sure,
    right up the jacksee.

    I’ll keep you posted.

    Nite

  • Adams has now said Republicans must inform on dissident IRA activity?

    When did he say this?

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    The IMC’s role will become obvious in time. Indeed to some of the smarter unionists already see it for what it is.

    David Vance put it like this

    The IMC are a useless quango but the degree of manipulation over them has just been cranked up megastyle.

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    Isn’t what GA said today the same thing that Gerry McGeogh said on Hearts and Minds a while back but he called in pragmatism.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Henry94:

    I hope that clarifies the meaning of the Ard Fheis motion for those who had doubts.

    As one of the doubters, yes it does indeed. I think Adams’ statement on this matter, being somewhat low key compared with the whole Ard Fheis hype, is more historic than the whole vote and formality which led to it. This is what I call supporting the police on the ground and I cannot see how the DUP will be able to say it isn’t. I hope that SF will now move forward and take up an active role on the policing structures, and start playing an active role.

    David Vance put it like this

    The IMC are a useless quango but the degree of manipulation over them has just been cranked up megastyle.

    Vance will condemn anything and anyone which doesn’t see eye to eye with his reactionary cul-de-sac perspective; constructiveness is beyond his capability.

    I do not think the IMC are manipulated, but their real purpose at the end of the day is to take the blame for things like pointing at the IRA, or giving SF a clean bill of health, away from the Secretary of State or the PSNI Chief Constable, and allow those figures to appear neutral. I’d love to see them do a report on the connections between loyalist paramilitaries and unionist politicians. There’s a whole underbelly of dirt there just waiting to be exposed.

  • Ingram

    Chris G,

    “Sinn Féin is committed to law and order ”

    Adams quote from Irish times 28/01/07

    quote from BBC

    Anyone who has been the victim of crime should co-operate with the police, Gerry Adams has said.

    Sinn Féin Dáil leader Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, in welcoming the decision of the Sinn Féin Ard Fheis to “critically engage” with policing in the Six Counties.

    On policing, justice and the rule of law Sinn Fein will propose to their Party’s Ard Fheis that Sinn Fein commit now and fully to support the PSNI and the criminal justice system and actively encourage everyone to co-operate fully with the police services in tackling crime in all areas as well as actively supporting all the criminal justice institutions. These proposals, if committed to, and acted upon amount to the support by Sinn Fein for the rule of law, police and courts that is necessary.

    Thursday 4 January 2007
    Statement from Prime Minister Tony Blair

    Mr Blair, who cut short a holiday in Florida by a day, said that if Sinn Fein delivered on supporting the police, there should be devolution of justice by May 2008, as set out in the St Andrews Agreement.

    Tony Blair bbcLast Updated: Thursday, 4 January 2007, 21:56 GMT

    He said Sinn Fein would propose to a special conference on policing that the party “commit now and fully to support the PSNI and the criminal justice system and actively encourage everyone to co-operate fully with the police services in tackling crime in all areas as well as actively supporting all the criminal justice institutions”.

    Comment then Gerry:

    The West Belfast MP said: “The core of a motion I would put to a Sinn Fein ard fheis is accurately summarised in the British prime minister’s statement today

    Comment

    Or are you saying Chris that the residence of Keady, if they see Dissident Republicans planting mortars should not report that information to the police?

    Regards

    Ding Ding

    Ingram

  • Ingram

    Henry 94,

    quote”The IMC’s role will become obvious in time unquote

    Oh I see! it is obvious to you but not Sinn Fein when they argued this last week in court:

    Sinn Fein said it was no surprise that it had failed but its lawyers had managed to uncover secret documents that show the Commission was established to appease unionism.

    So, Sinn Fein do not understand what the IMC`s role is although has you claim it is OBVIOUS ?

    Shall we stop now Henry before you end up in a dark barn in South Armagh. LOL

    Nite

    Ingram

  • Rubicon

    Martin your points as to nationalist capitulation by supporting a British justice system I’ve been reading as you needling SF. I didn’t think you actually believed it. If you think SF supporting the police is equivalent to surrender then can I remind you of Michael Collins and the almighty boot in the UK backside he delivered – made possible by his touts in the security service.

    Adams has not suggested this type of support – but your vitriol is neither accurate nor helpful.

    As to interpretations of my own interpretation – I said that Adams’ statement was clear to me as to what to do in the example you gave. I’m sure it didn’t extend to meetings and protests or other activities occurring within the law that may be of intelligence value. SF has not requested nationalists become touts.

    What’s REALLY important about the SF move is the ACTUAL reality Adams is starting to give to it.

    In the context of your example, a passing witness would unlikely know the group identity of the perpetrators threatening to mortar the PSNI station. If they saw mortars the average citizen would be unlikely to know the target either. What that citizen (Irish or British) can know is that it’s not the IRA and calling the police will not invite retribution from the IRA.

    Adams has a past – but he’s now contributing to a better future and few could have achieved what he has done to bring that about. Adams is the most intelligent politician I’ve met – and I’ve met a lot. Robinson is also a formidable politician who’s ability to scrutinise would put him the 1st division on any political stage. Both could have been on an international stage had they not been blighted by the geography of their birth.

    Since I don’t agree armed campaigns are (or were) justified in NI (from either side) and I don’t believe sectarian bigotry is (or was) justified either (from either side). I can’t yet forget the past and voting SF or DUP is not something I can consider.

    We are all creatures of our environments and I’m a creature of the environment I lived in. I know I need climb out of my bunker and in being able to recognise the abilities of Adams and Robinson I’m making my own slow steps. We’ll all need to do that – for some it’ll be impossible.

    My daughter will vote on the 7th for the first time. She’ll not have the baggage I carry. How she uses that vote would have once concerned me greatly – it doesn’t now. Where I live I’ve no idea which way she’ll go – it’s her future more than mine and it’s a future that Adams in now making genuine effort to improve.

    So – Martin – is that bet you have with Parcifal now closed or is it still open to other takers?

    It’s good to know that either way – Slugger wins 😉

  • Ingram

    Rubicon,

    quote In the context of your example, a passing witness would unlikely know the group identity of the perpetrators threatening to mortar the PSNI station. If they saw mortars the average citizen would be unlikely to know the target either. What that citizen (Irish or British) can know is that it’s not the IRA and calling the police will not invite retribution from the IRA

    They would know that it was an illegal act and that it was likely to take life and as such would be expected to report that information to the police. END OF.

    In respect to a bet? why dont we have a tenner that P&J IS NOT devolved by May 2008 and shall we make it £20 sterling either to Mick or a charity of your choice.

  • Ingram

    So your above quote was indeed a lie, Gerry never actually said “Republicans must inform on dissident IRA activity”

    As I thought

    In relation to passing information to the peelers, I will not be calling on anyone to engage with them as that is not my job.

    I can only speak for myself on this and the fact is that while I disagree with most dissidents I am not a tout.

  • Ingram

    Chris Gaskin,

    Adams said criminals have no place in our society. Dissident Republicans are criminals or at least within the BRITISH CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM they are and that is what Sinn Fein are wanting to enter, is it not?

    Chris,

    I asked you this:

    Or are you saying Chris that the residence of Keady, if they see Dissident Republicans planting mortars should not report that information to the police?

    you replied with this :

    In relation to passing information to the peelers, I will not be calling on anyone to engage with them as that is not my job.

    I can only speak for myself on this and the fact is that while I disagree with most dissidents I am not a tout. Unquote

    And you response is EXACTLY why and HOW the DUP will take you on a very long ride in a shiny red London bus! taking a circuitous route of the BRITISH criminal justice system.

    You cannot conditionally play this card, it will be judged by many people not only the DUP and the IMC?

    The days of bluffing are over mate you will be judged by the DUP, Alliance,UUP, SDLP , Irish Government, British Government ! now is the time to deliver .

    quote I can only speak for myself on this and the fact is that while I disagree with most dissidents I am not a tout.

    On this point mate dont be overly concerned, history and experience as shown that there has always been over capacity in those wanting to tout WITHIN Irish republicanism.

    Nite.

    Ding Ding

    Ingram

  • observer

    So your above quote was indeed a lie, Gerry never actually said “Republicans must inform on dissident IRA activity” –

    In which case Adams and SF are lying when they say they support law and order. thanks chris for making that point crystal clear

  • Rubicon

    Martin, your response, “They would know that it was an illegal act and that it was likely to take life and as such would be expected to report that information to the police. END OF.” is exactly correct. It’s only loyalists and ‘republican’ dissidents that will involve themselves in that activity now.

    I don’t understand why you’re concerned that Adams has narrowed the field of suspects and encouraged people to support the police. Some of his statements have gone further than I’ve ever heard a unionist politician mouth – much less – live up to.

    Armed loyalists present the greatest danger to life and well being in NI now. SF may have complained about the IMC but they seem to have recognised it as an immovable object and are now in a position to exploit it. Law and politics are very different games.

    You seem to be missing the bigger picture; armed loyalists destroying their communities who have links to orange parades, orangism, security personnel and through that to unionism. Who was it that threatened to leave the Policing Board and DPP’s over an orange parade? Is it the same people who now require SF’s membership?

    If SF are moving on as your “ding ding” is meant to suggest – why aren’t you moving on too? I’m struggling to find your point Martin. It’s starting to sound like a very one-sided view of “not having terrorists in government”.

    Perhaps you can elaborate? I’d not classified you as a backwoodsman – but are you more concerned with old scores that makes it difficult to distinguish?

    As for your May ’08 bet – no way! I’m not criticising/questioning ALL your views. I’d need odds and good ones – it’s an outside bet! What part of Rubicon has mug written on it?

    I’ll take the even odds on SF not going below 24 though ;).

  • Sean

    on what basis do the DUP have any right to decide on the conduct of others people and the PSNI

    they themselves are as guilty as Sinn Fein

  • Ingram

    Rubicon,

    quote If SF are moving on as your “ding ding” is meant to suggest – why aren’t you moving on too? I’m struggling to find your point Martin. It’s starting to sound like a very one-sided view of “not having terrorists in government

    I am pleased that Sinn Fein are accepting ALL ELEMENTS of the criminal justice system! that said it is people like Chris Gaskin who has posted above who is not really comitting himself to it , he is merely playing lip service to the peoples wishes.People like Observer and many others including the SDLP will not allow that.

    You are either in the game or you or not. Simple.

    In relation to terrorists in government.No problem with that as long has it was in the past! what I do have a problem with though is criminals who have not yet been brought to justice serving in government representing any party?

    In relation to May 2008 ! its a lot like a UI in 2016 , it aint going to happen.

    Regards.

    Ingram

  • sean

    “…Sinn Fein will be encouraging people to work and co-operate with police…”

    …and about time too! ‘Just a shame they couldn’t have done it sooner then the Provos wouldn’t have had to kill as many of their fellow countrymen eh?

  • McGrath

    If current members of the PNSI and even her majesty’s inspectorate of the constabulary cant support the police force, we can hardly expect many of the citizens who have lived outside the pail for a lifetime to suddenly start a mass confessional. There needs to be some housekeeping conducted for any kind of normality to prevail.

    http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/sdlp-call-on-flanagan-to-quit-hmic/

  • Reader

    Chris Gaskin: I can only speak for myself on this and the fact is that while I disagree with most dissidents I am not a tout.
    I suppose you disagree with loyalists too. Would you ‘tout’ on them if you saw them preparing an attack? Would your definition of ‘touting’ depend on the potential perpetrators of an attack, or the potential victims, or both. Do Republicans get a free hand whatever (whoever…) they do?

  • Rubicon

    Martin – I think you’re a man who’d I be better off trusting on dates that won’t happen. But this is just piling money on the favourite – bookies love punters like that! They know that they’ll loose less than they win. Odds on dates should be lay-bets.

    From your posts I know you’re a betting man (and that your other half must be a very patient lady). My other half insists on putting in on bets I make. She’s doing well out of it and it leads to a much more harmonious domestic life (most of the time). Thankfully, I rarely bet – but I like this one you’ve offered Parcifal.

    Come’on – open the book here. What’s so special about Parcifal? The sod has just encouraged Greenflag to share his ideas on repartition again – in verse! It’s worse than your ding ding and enough to get him red-carded! 😉

    What d’you say? I’m beginning to think I’d enjoy a day at the races with you! There’s a race on the 7th. Do you want to change the odds you gave Parcifal?

  • Ingram

    Rubicon,

    (and that your other half must be a very patient lady).

    LOL very patient lady, Irish and proud of it, a real gem.

    In relation to Parcifals bet, it may or may not be a good bet. an even money shot prior to the AF was not in my opinion too way wide of the mark.I may have been a little generous but that is in my nature AND THE BET STANDS.That said the book is full. LOL

    You are right! I do enjoy a punt but not with an high street bookie, I much prefer to lay than back.

    I would lay all day and all night that May 2008 does not happen although the queue to back that lame horse would not be great.

    slan.

    Martin

  • Rubicon

    Fair enough Martin. Mick looses a tenner!

    I’m little miffed though – you said the AF was a cert and now it changes the odds. You DO sound like a bookie (my brother is one!) but I accept Adams has moved things forward and these material things would change the odds.

    I really don’t want to get you in trouble with the missus – but – would your accept 5/4 on? Slugger is getting slow – I’ll donate £10 if you donate £8. It might not make Slugger much faster, I may be eating humble pie – but it won’t be pie too untasteful to me ;).

    PS – If it helps – the love of my life (from the Falls) won’t have anything to do with this bet.

  • Jesus Christ

    “No more dancing on pinheads…” I thought this was a reference to thepinheads as opposed to the Sticks. But McGuinness as the cheif peeler wil glad;ly dance on pinheads and do a Frankie Lafferty on them. After all, that is what the saxon shilling is for, and he who pays the piper call the tune.

  • please answer the question

    Ding, ding,

    All aboard the law and order bus of the great british empire. Martin you are all over the board posting hither and yon. Why do you not resond to post 22 by Heck. If you truly support law and order you should turn yourself in. Spooks like you are criminal. Regarding mortars aimed at police stations etc.

    Let me ask you a question if you knew that someone was going to kill a catholic just becuse they were a catholic in order to undermine the IRA’s campaign, let’s just say the catholic was going over to an elderly person’s home to bring them some food, and you knew they were going to murder them, or suppossing you did not, but found out afterward that they did, would you be contacting the PSNI? If you are indeed a real person and not some silly group of spooks who have fun on the internet I would think you would have a lot to say to the police regarding law and order.

    Gerry A. should be a tout, should not yourself be one and inform on your self and all your other brothers and sisters in your most helpful line of work.

    Answer Heck’s question.

  • answer the question

    Sorry Martin there was no question profferd by Heck, respond to his statement then, or keep quiet, I hope for the latter.

  • Dr H Lecter

    Answer Heck’s question.

    Afraid you’ll have a long wait on old spooky drawers getting back to you on that one. Ingram’s behaviour on these boards is becoming increasingly weird and erratic: classic trolling, if you ask me.

    Seems Sinn Fein’s recent conference and Adams’ statement yesterday have sent him over the edge.

    Ding Ding, indeed 🙂

    Note how many journalists have been using him as a source in light of the recent O’Loan report. Usually he was a buck bet for a quote on anything related to collusion.

    Not a one picked up the phone to him, or dropped him a mail. Not one of the myriad of stories carried a single recent line from him.

    Make from that what you will.

    He’s really gone Ding Ding this time if you ask me.

    Maybe if we ignore him, he’ll go away. Maybe he’s wondering what it was all for. Maybe all this obssession with SF is projection for him: how can they escape their past and I can’t.

    Maybe that’s what is at the core of the ding-dingery.

  • Henry94

    Would you like some fava beans and a nice chianti with that Dr?