What is Sinn Fein’s position on policing?

Gerry Adams was asked at the policing meeting in Derry last night whether he would encourage young nationalists to join the PSNI. His reply, according to one non party observer who was there, “it is up to the P S N I to prove themselves”. It’s the old conditionality clause. Of course that may simply be a tit for tat for the DUP’s refusal to harden May 2008 from a target date to an actionable deadline. But it begs the question, ‘what position is the party actually asking it’s support to back’?

  • true irishman

    How’s this for inside information out of Connelly House

    Apparently the Shinners have pulled an absolute blinder in South Derry.
    They have got the two McGlinchey uncles to pretend they were against Sinn Fein signing up to policing when in fact they were not, but once a head of steam built up in the area the alarm bells started to ring in Belfast so they got one of the uncles Sean to return to the Sinn Fein fold because they needed to stop the momentum that had suddenly gathered around the family.
    Now what they planned was for the second brother Paul to jump the gun and declare himself a candidate in any forth coming election, not that he will stand he is only there to stop a stronger candidate that being his nephew Dominic from standing in any election against Sinn Fein, the idea that at the 11th hour and 59 minutes the uncle Paul will withdraw from the field leaving no Anti-policing candidate.
    To confuse the situation further the nephew Dominic was encouraged to take advice from a long standing family friend who has no interest in canvassing against the Shinners not least because of this advisors own family loyalty being tested with siblings and Dominic was strongly advised not to stand in any election.
    Apparently Dominic is seen as extremely malleable by his older relatives and because he is such a ditherer and uncertain about what to do any actions by him are easily anticipated and nullified.

  • Aidan

    Mick – that should be ‘what position is the party actually asking _its_ support to back’?

    Sorry to be pedantic, etc.

  • Rory (South Derry)

    Surprise Surprise!

    I now take a bow for telling all you good posters that the PSF Thuggery machine was alive and kicking in South Derry!

    The other thing that will not surprise anyone is that Peter Bateson knows NOTHING about the famous letter before the PSF Spin machine had it sent to the Irish News!

  • joeCanuck

    Aidan

    This isn’t the first time you have been pedantic here.
    Are you a frustated or wannabe English language teacher?

    (Yes; I know there’s no such word as wannabe).

  • Aidan

    Joe – only because I have such respect for the quality of postings on this site did I bring it up.

    Everybody is making that mistake these days and it’s only because they see others doing the same thing..in a few years at this rate it’ll be accepted as an alternate way of using the possessive. Until then I’ll keep it as my pet hate.

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    All of this huffing and puffing will be tested in an election.

    Then the traditional republicans will have their chance to put their views to the people. I hope that all sides will accept that result – whatever it may be.

  • Rory (South Derry)

    All of this huffing and puffing will be tested in an election.

    Gerry & the peacemakers

    Sinn Fein are now stooping to the lowest point of their electorale history if the given that the Post No:- 1 is now correct!

    Suppose it is just astep up from busing Belfast morons to polling stations to stand in for the absent during election day!

    On Sunday the Republican movement will betray the cause for the final time!

    WELCOME TO LITTLE BRITAIN MONDAY 29TH JANUARY 2007!

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    Rory

    Although I respect your views this republican superiority attitude leaves me a little cold.

    You disagree with SF – I get it but surely the next step to Irish unity is to take as much of the British Govts influence out of our country. I assume you agree armed struggle is no longer an option.

    Then politics is the only way forward and its time to get inside the tent and piss out. I’ve said it before on slugger – this argument that my republican da is bigger than your republican da is a gift to our opponents.

  • Rory (South Derry)

    Gerry

    Armed struggle is defintely not applicable in the current climate but discussion with the Brits on withdrawal is the only acceptable discussion that can be held!

    The brits have stated on many occassions “that they have no stategic or economic interest” in the 6 counties they illegally occupy!

    When the provo leadership sit down and approve a british policeforce on Sunday they move further from that day!

    The sculduggery that has gone on during this debate shows that MI5 clearly now run the PSF direction in life!

    As for you comments on da size – Irrevant nonsense Gerry – stick to the facts as the PSF leadership take the Queens shilling or is it just 30 pieces more?

    History will shame them – Just wait and see!

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    Rory

    all very noble retoric. I think what the brits meant was that they were staying for the unionists and no other reason – therefore they stay for a political reason. Your approach was tried in 1974.

    RSF are sticking to traditional values but what has their approach delivered? Continuity not compromise – where will that get us? You may be happy to be a 2nd class citizen in your own country but I am not.

    The nationalist and republican people of the six counties are not stupid and are not sheep. They agree with the SF strategy and they are the people living in the occupied territory.

    If the policing nettle is not grasped then the only winners will be those who want our communities to be lawless ghettos. Its time to get off the high horse and think of the people and not what the history books will say.

  • this argument that my republican da is bigger than your republican da is a gift to our opponents.

    Not only that but the vast majority of Republicans don’t like it either, as Gerry McGeogh can attest to in Tyrone.

    It is called the ‘Republican movement’ for a reason.

    A “true Republican” (to quote the dissidents) would remember the words of Bobby Sands.

    “Everyone, Republican or otherwise has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something”

  • Chris-

    Do you believe that to leave Sinn Féin is to leave the struggle?

  • time will tell

    Chris Gaskin,

    Why would anyone listen to you sure you were caught red handed and even redder faced lying on another thread by a commentor on this site about the size of the meeting in Newry..!!!!

    You lacked the decencey to be aman and apologise!!!

    You have also stated many times on this forum that YOU would leave Sinn Fein if the vote for policing, it’s obvious that even Crossmaglen is full of people with absolutley no principles.

    And Bobby Sands never wrote anything about joining the RUC/PSNI MI5/SB did he, so why choose a quote that was meant for republicans not LITTLE BRITISHERS LIKE SINN FEIN

  • TWT-

    Chris isn’t from Cross. The Cross ones are a decent bunch 😉

  • Rory (South Derry)

    Chris

    The PSF Leadership are tramps!

    No marals
    no principles
    No Conviction

    Just the express desire to quote the dead while tramping directly over their graves on their way to their Stormount positions around the table where they will administer british law while trying to outbreed the prods!

  • time will tell

    The Shinners will pull any trash stunt, they are devoid of morals and there are no depths that they will not stoop to !!!!!!!!

  • Observer

    Why would anyone listen to you sure you were caught red handed and even redder faced lying on another thread by a commentor on this site about the size of the meeting in Newry..!!!!

    That lying provo rag, “The Newry Reporter”
    stated there was over a thousand people at the meeting.
    Oh dear!

  • Nic

    Is that a split I see coming, or just a splinter?
    Anyway, isn’t it gas the way the rhetoric from the spli(n)(t)ters echoes that of the young Adams condemning the SDLP for the original peace process back in the 70’s (which people who know these things assure me was a better deal than the current one)? “Stormont for slow learners” said Mallon of the current shenanigans, and who could argue with him.

    In case anyone thinks I’m against this split, don’t get me wrong: I wish the splitters all the luck in the world, for they are a force that can cause SF and organised violent Republicanism to implode, a consummation most devoutly to be wished.
    We cannot tolerate murderers and torturers in positions of responsibility in our society. No way no how.

    Go splitters!

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    Nic

    I don’t think we are talking about a new split. What RSF and 32CSM are hoping for are few new recruits which they may get. Then they can all sit around a table and argue how righteous they are.

    Neither organisation has done anything in the last 10 years for the community they claim to represent. Are you the peoples front of Judea? F**k off, we’re the Judean peoples front.

  • Time will tell, the figures I gave were correct and were backed up by the local press.

    As El Mat pointed out I am not from Cross, that being said feel free to cast judgement on people’s Republicansim from the comfort of your anonymous tag.

    Very brave!

  • Comrade Stalin

    Just the express desire to quote the dead while tramping directly over their graves on their way to their Stormount positions around the table where they will administer british law while trying to outbreed the prods!

    Rory, you guys have had your five minutes of fame but it’s starting to wear a bit thin. Your argument has no meaning whatsoever without a mandate. The path your are advocating has been consistently and overwhelmingly rejected at any poll on this island for the best part of the last 100 years. The Irish people, north and south, want no part of your ideas. By all means express your views, but please go and crawl under a rock somewhere and allow the adults to get on with the business of trying to build a peaceful and prosperous future for the people on this island.