Blair should talk up transformation of the IRA…

Jonathan Freedland sees promising parallels for the Palestine in Northern Ireland and urges Tony Blair sell the advantages of engagement with Hamas to Israel. Indeed it is something Blair has talked about in the past.

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  • mickhall

    Yes Mick as far as Palestine is concerned, ‘publicly’ talk is about all Blair has done, whilst behind the scenes he gave the green light to the IDF invasion of southern Lebanon and did a Nelson to their despicable behavior in the West Bank and their murderous incursions into the Gaza Strip.

    The fact is Hamas was elected in a democratic poll, which was authenticated by international observers. Thus any democrat worth their salt should recognize the outcome of that election like it or not.

    The real similarity with the north is that getting a mandate is worthless unless the party concerned is prepared to take additional measure to please the USA and UK. What type of democracy is that pray tell.

    Do you recognize Hamas has the right to govern due to its mandate alone, or are you another who just loves those back door strings, which amount in reality to nothing more than putting the UK/USAs and their main regional ally Israel’s interest before the Palestinian peoples?

  • DK

    There is a problem if the party elected democratically has pledged to wipe out another state, as Hamas want to do with Israel.

    Then what do you do? Let them go ahead and inflict another level of suffering on someone else. Or is it OK cos they’re only jews and they deserve whats coming to them because of their behaviour to the palestines.

    Are you so blind as not to see that democracy is more than just 3 wolves and 1 sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

  • mickhall

    As far as I am aware Hamas has not said it wishes to wipe out any State, what it has done is interesting as it has said it refuses to recognize the State of Israel, but has offered a long term ceasefire with it.[12 years plus] Which if you think about it negates its refusal to recognize Israel somewhat; and if the US had pressurized Israel instead of green lighting them, it would have given the negotiators an opportunity to build something between the two parties. As how can you refuse to recognize a nation you wish to enter into a ceasefire with?

    Of course this would have entailed Israel recognizing the electoral mandate of Hamas.

    In any case does anyone seriously believe a Hamas government threatens the existence of Israel? Even such stupid and incendiary language of the current Iranian president has been rejected but that countries supreme leader, as he understands using such language without the means to put it into practice is more trouble than its worth. [don’t they just love Ruritanian titles these crackpots and despots]

  • mickhall

    By silly titles I meant ‘supreme leader’.

  • andy

    MickHall
    Right on the money, especially in regard to Blair.

    Hamas poses no existential threat to Israel.
    For my mind it has been responsible for anumber of war crimes in the past (deliberate targeting of civilians), but the Israeli state has hardly been blameless on this or the collective punishment issue.

    Anyway, look at the outcomes. Boycotting Hamas has hardly ushered in a period of peace and stability.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    mickhall: “As far as I am aware Hamas has not said it wishes to wipe out any State, what it has done is interesting as it has said it refuses to recognize the State of Israel, but has offered a long term ceasefire with it.[12 years plus] Which if you think about it negates its refusal to recognize Israel somewhat;”

    Hamas has made its intention to destroy the state of Israel on multiple occasions; to suggest otherwise beggars belief. As for the hudna, it is not a ceasefire, at least as we in the West recognize the concept, and it is limited to ten years, not twelve.

    A “hudna” is a period of time where one ceases to fight with the purpose of gathering one’s strength. The life of the Prophet had several examples of “truces” to buy time, allowing the faithful to return to battle with an advantage.

    The Shafi’i school of Muslim jurisprudence, which is influential among Hamas members, teaches that “if Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary, for the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) made a truce with the Quraysh for that long, as is related by Abu Dawud” (‘Umdat as-Salik, o9.16)… The same legal manual also quotes this verse of the Qur’an: “So do not be fainthearted and call for peace, when it is you who are the uppermost” (Sura 47:35).

    If I recall correctly, his treaty with the Quraysh was abrogated by the Prophet and his followers, when the relative strengths had turned. Given their religious orientation, I would suspect that Hamas has similar intentions, if not capabilities. The hudna is proposed to allow Hamas to gather its strength in peace and not out of any humanitarian or civilized notion of behavior.

  • Greenflag

    JENA, Germany – Scientists in the eastern German city of Jena said Wednesday they have finally given up after three years of failed attempts to entice a sloth into budging as part of an experiment in animal movement.

    Westminster , UK,

    A HMG spokesperson said Wednesday they have finally given up after 38 years of failed attempts to entice the Northern Ireland parties into budging as part of an experiment in political movement.

    Later he added that having screwed up NI there was no reason the experiment could not be repeated with similar effects as between Israel and Palestine.

    Perhaps God stopped being an Englishman sometime in the 1960’s?