Adams at East Belfast loyalist funeral as Paisley condemned- from a Free Presbyterian pulpit

The peace process may be experiencing some difficulties at present, but if anything indicates how far things have travelled in recent times, two occurences in the past week should suffice. Yesterday, Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams was among the mourners at the funeral of UVF-aligned PUP leader, David Ervine.
Last weekend, history was made as the leader and founder of the Free Presbyterian church, Ian Paisley, found himself being condemned from the pulpit of a Free Presbyterian church by Rev. Ivan Foster.

  • ingram

    Chris,

    Not even a good try.

    Ingram

  • Henry94

    Chris is right. The presence of Gerry Adams at the funeral and the fact that he was made welcome is an indication that the peace is in much better shape than the process.

    And my belief is that anyone who is not seen as for the peace will be destroyed at the election.

  • ingram

    Henry,

    Chris gave his game away in the title to his piece.

    quote”Adams at East Belfast loyalist funeral as Paisley condemned- from a Free Presbyterian pulpit”unquote

    Clearly, Chris is trying to make capital from a Mans death by suggesting Adams is a peace maker and the DUP are in trouble internally.

    That is sad.

    By all means cover the funeral. But leave the petty politics out.

    Ingram

  • Quaysider

    I agree, if anyone else was getting on like Chris lately, Chris would be the first to call them ‘an enemy of the peace process’.

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    Two points

    1. I think it is perfectly legitimate to highlight two events we would not have expected to see in our lifetimes.

    2. The point of the piece as I read it is that both Paisley and Adams are men of compromise, one reaching out to the other side by attending a funeral an the other risking the wrath of some followers in order to make a deal.

    I think you are attacking the source of the post rather than the logic of it.

  • me

    by the look of adams there’ll be another funeral soon – his; word in west belfast is he has liver cancer

  • ingram

    Henry 94.

    At a time when the family are griefing I would have more sense than to try and make political capital as you yourself admit.

    For the record. I smiled warmly at the sight of Gerry sincerly offering his condolences to the widow.

    In return the family made ALL those present at the funeral very welcome.

    That is the positive message to be taken from this sad event. Anything else is politics and should not be entertained whilst the families are grieving

    Regards.

    Ingram

  • ingram

    That should read Grieving. Sorry.

  • disloyal ulsterman

    Rumour has it on the Newtownards Road that Adams was protected by a ring of UVF men at the funeral…

    It would also occur to me that if only Stone had of waited a couple of months to perform his “performance art” he might have had a better shot at it. (pun intended)

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    In return the family made ALL those present at the funeral very welcome.

    Indeed and his brother mentioned those who they would have consider enemies and said they were most welcome. That was very moving.

    I think you are the one trying to make political capital out of it.

  • ingram

    Henry94,

    quote Last weekend, history was made as the leader and founder of the Free Presbyterian church, Ian Paisley, found himself being condemned from the pulpit of a Free Presbyterian church by Rev. Ivan Foster. unquote

    Henry 94,

    Can you honestly tell me the above paragraph is not a crude attempt to make a political point by Chris?

    Me,

    Some “friends” have mine told me that a while back about Gerry. He does look pale and gaunt. That said the pressure he is under and has been for some time will not be good for his or indeed anyones health .

    He is nearly sixty years old.

    Regards.

    Martin

  • gerry

    that fella ‘ingram’ and ‘me’ wishful thinking. there is no word out that adams has cancer or anything else.

    he is nearly 60 years old!!! yeah and paisley is 80, your point?

  • ingram

    Gerry,

    We shall see.

    In respect to the point? A good one.

    Freak,

    Gerry Adams has died this afternoon.

    Well, I doubt that. You would have seen a squad of FRU and MI5 running around like Headless chickens.My information is they are content, indeed getting ready to go on the piss ready but not before the big match this afternoon.

    In contrast to:

    84 & 88 when Nelson/Lyttle planned to snot him , BUT we saved his life. Today Gerry acknowledges that point.

    You can say Thank You later.

    Regards.

    Martin.

  • gerry

    lib catch your self on. SF occupying the middle ground. The only positive thing in this for sf is that unionism can be split if they go for policing, they will try to get most votes and secure the first ministers job for martin mcguiness. you think you will live in a peaceful n irelad if that happens, think again. do you really believe sf is seen by the unionist loyalist population as a middle of the road party?

    never mind your post made me laugh.

  • Crataegus

    I am a slow learner so what is the thrust of this thread; is it that the people of East Belfast show their inclusivity and tolerance and the Free Presbyterian Church is an open and democratic organisation that believes in free speech?

    Chris funerals are odd occasions especially one like this. When people attend such occasions I often wonder does it show respect, a felling that one has to be seen to be there, or yet another photo opportunity for a politician?

    What politician was not there and what political party was not represented?

    The pulpit end of the thread much more interesting and totally unrelated.

  • The Devil

    I don’t think it’s unusual for one agent to turn up at another agents funeral, but the cynical hug for a bereaved wife I find quite tastless because it was not a hug for her but for the cameras and only the cameras

    If Adams was really sincere he would have called over to the home and done it in private….. but wait there’d be no cameras to photograph it…. therefore there is no point in going….. what an oiltanker

  • gerry

    NO crategus, there is a bet on which funeral is going to be next. adams at sixty or paisley at eighty, but adams seemingly has liver cancer while paisley is in gusto health.

    what odds would you like?

  • smackdealer

    Ingram: Why can you not learn to put more thaan one sentence in a paragraph?

    Chris: Interesting post. But Adams is on Adams’ side. He is now a Crown Catholic and, as such, has to go to bashes like this. Anybody know how many funerals Gerry has attended in his long life?

    I see Channel 4 are doing a mock war crimes trial of Tony Kill Muslims Blair? Will they do a follow up of Gerry and friends?

  • lib2016

    It seems that the spoilers are out in force – before I go I’d just like to congratulate the people of East Belfast for their dignity on a sad occasion.

    Slan!

  • The Devil

    Don’t know about rumours of liver cancer, but surgeons can remove easily up to half the liver and it will regenerate itself in a short period of time, the major concerne for people with this sort of ailment is whether or not it is in the Hepatic or Portal vein area which cannot be rejuvinated if removed

  • Yokel

    I assume SF will release their meeting’s decision just in time for the evening news?

    Mr Ingram

    Soem people don’t have any sense of decorum, all they wanna do is make their little digs as often as they can. There’s a world out mainly full of people of different minds there but some cant see it because they are afraid of it.

  • Yokel

    Did Brown really include lil old NI as part of his ‘the Union is under threat speech’?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6258089.stm

    Yeah ok, its an aside but I’m waiting for the dinner to be made…

  • joeCanuck

    Why are you waiting Yokel?
    Get into the kitchen and help!

  • Gerry & the peacemakers

    I’ve been a keen reader od slugger for a while now but felt compelled to correct a rumour.

    As one of the few West Belfast people at yesterdays funeral I can say that SF had their own security and the only part the UVF had to play in that was to give Gerry’s bodyguards dirty looks! No doubt contact was made prior to the visit but no words were exchanged on the day.

  • Yokel

    I’d be told to feck off and stay out of the way….keeping the peace does matter in this house.

  • Harris

    “I can say that SF had their own security and the only part the UVF had to play in that was to give Gerry’s bodyguards dirty looks!”

    Some of the loyalists in the immediate crowd were heard to mutter “fair play to him” for attending the funeral, but others weren’t as accomodating, with their “this is a missed opportunity” comments.

  • cynic

    What does it matter whose security was where? What’s the point in that? Grow up!

    The real issues were two fold:-

    1. unionism turned out to celebrate the life of a loyalist paramilitary who had once been a terrorist but reformed and made a real contribution to his community

    2. also invited (and welcomed) was a Republican of whom the same could be said.

    What was the difference between the two and why would it be hard to work / share power with one and not the other?

  • gareth mccord

    “THICK AS THIEVES” springs to mind watching those who have commited murder and are covering for current murderers rub shoulders yesterday at a funeral were tv crews and reporters were threatened by u.v.f.!! where else would you get a man who was leader of a party whos members commited murder(28 people since 94) and continue to target those who are searching for justice be made out to be a good guy yes NORTHERN BACK TO FRONT IRELAND !! in the words of davy denial ervine “lets call a spade a spade” and stop talking crap!!

  • Penelope

    Harris… would it not be better to give Lesley-Anne Henry of the Telegraph credit for your post instead of passing it off as your own? It’s practically word for word!

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/article2150343.ece

  • Penelope

    agree or disagree with his polititcs and depsite whatever motivations of the various parties attending, be it genuine mourning or a chance for a photo op, the fact that so many from all across the political spectrum came together peacefully to lay David Ervine to rest is symbolic how far things have come along and a great tribute to the man.

    RIP

  • ingram

    Henry 94,

    You seem to have forgot old boy.

    Henry94,

    quote Last weekend, history was made as the leader and founder of the Free Presbyterian church, Ian Paisley, found himself being condemned from the pulpit of a Free Presbyterian church by Rev. Ivan Foster. unquote

    Henry 94,

    Can you honestly tell me the above paragraph is not a crude attempt to make a political point by Chris?

    Regards Martin

  • gerry

    I think Chris is confident enough that if he wanted to make a political point he would outrightly make it and not do it in some beating about the bush cryptic manner, as you are suggesting. You are not even able to state what point it is you think he is making. Aren’t you labouring the point a little or are you able to make another? You still haven’t explained your point that adams is nearly sixty, or didn’t you have a point ‘martin’ LOL.

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    Given that every obscure and stray dissident in the country who hints he might run against Sinn Fein gets a thread to himself I think it is laughable that you expect your faux-sensitivity on this point to be taken one bit seriously.

  • Yokel

    Looks like an announcement may arrive just in time for the news at 9 on RTE and the headlines on SKY & News24. Nice media management Cue breathless reporters…..

    Is there any doubt they won’t go ahead? I believe 2/3’s voted in favour last time to go to the AF. Whats the story with the other 3rd?

  • gareth mccord

    penelope
    you say “symbolic” do you not mean shambolic whenever murderers drug dealers racketeers bullies are made to feel welcome at any occasion for whatever reason. these people are the reason this country is a mess and while they are accepted by our society this country will stay a mess!! WAKE UP!!

  • me

    henry94
    what will people like you do when adams does pass away, as he will? your entire pathetic lives are taken up with apeing everything they say and do, defending all their lies, eg northern bank, and recycling their idiotic politics. when he goes there will be nothing left in your lives. and incidentally this sinn fein phenomenon is a one-generation thing, once adams and mcguinness go, their party sinks. that’s another thing they have in common with paisley.

  • joeCanuck

    Martin

    It gets a tad boring when you repeat the same thing over and over; that’s fairly typical of you.
    I’m sure if you try hard, you can think of something else to carp about.

    regards

  • gerry

    Joe he’s off a nervous disposition.

    dung dung

    Joe he’s off a nervous disposition

    dung dung

    look its catching.

  • Bruce101

    Credit must go to the tolerant people of East Belfast who did not boo Adams even after the Cliftonville republican louts had behaved disgracefully during a minute’s silence at the Oval.

  • Its Yes !! from PA

  • Yokel

    I’m stunned…..really i am…

  • mickhall

    “incidentally this sinn fein phenomenon is a one-generation thing, once adams and mcguinness go, their party sinks. that’s another thing they have in common with paisley.

    Posted by me”

    Spot on as it this has been one of the main reasons why the GFA came into being in the first place, i e tangle Adams and his party up with red tape and internal house keeping until they leave the stage, there will be few able successors as the process has stopped them emerging for obvious reasons. I doubt the UK governments can believe the success of the thing, as so far there has been no actual movement, still governed from London yet we are over a decade in.

    Wake up or their will be nothing to show for all the sacrifice and misery bar the odd holiday home.

  • Yokel

    Mickhall

    Theres a lot to be said for a holiday home.

    Anyway SF know they need to move now, Tony is the best friend they have. They have no idea what kind of approach will come after.

  • ingram

    Gerry,

    Just making the point that Chris used a funeral to make a political point.

    Nothing difficult in that, indeed even you understood the point. It is bad taste to do so but then again many of you bog warriors would not care too much for decorum.

    I am sorry if you think Sinn Fein/MI5 have fecked Republicans ,? Thats life, as a Republican mate,You have had a lifetime to get used to it.

    The next installment is due tonight when Gerry does the right thing and recognises the BCJS .Onwards to the Ding Ding AF.

    Joe,

    Henry tends to forget the posts he wants to avoid.That is due mostly to his age. He stated clearly at the front of this forum that Chris D was not making a political point, myself and others disagreed with him.

    On the plus side, unlike you he does not get his posts censored for being silly and childish.

    Regards.

    Martin.

  • ingram

    Yokel,

    quote”Anyway SF know they need to move now, Tony is the best friend they have. They have no idea what kind of approach will come afterUnquote.

    Very true.But this was never in doubt. He has no choice.

    Martin

  • andyk

    @ The devil – how do you know adams wasnt at the ervine house? Leading republicans definately were…..with no cameras.

    @ gareth mccord….are all you posts utter nonsense and entirely made up? What exactly would the uvf threaten the media for?…to prevent them from taking pictures?….to prevent them from filming? To prevent them from recording? (they covered the sound of the service) to prevent them from covering the event and commenting on their presence there?…surely all those things happened unhindered….cameramen took pictures openly in the street while standing beside UVF men.

  • gareth mccord

    andyk
    you make my pionts so valied by the denials and excuses of acceptance of these “scumbags” on our streets! you do not fool anyone with your the uvf are good guys now spin . it was reported on utv at 6 on friday that their crews were told, warned, threatened by the uvf not to show faces. now what excuse have they for that. maybe you can spin another for the uvf.

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    Henry tends to forget the posts he wants to avoid.That is due mostly to his age.

    That doesn’t even make sense. And I’m younger than you.

  • It’s a rerun of 1972 when Gusty Spence sent a letter of condolences to Joe McCann’s widow – except this time the war really is over.
    http://www.lulu.com/content/600047

  • Nationalist

    Mr McCord, you are being eaten up with bitterness and hatred. The time has come when all sections of the community should and are trying to move forward to a better life.

    When the main pratagonists can hold their hands out to each other and try to understand each other and move foward then surely the rest of society could do the same.

    The man has died and whilst he had a past and bad points I am sure you like the rest of us also have bad points, but it is their attempts to heal our society that we should be looking at and praising them for.

    The 6 counties are full of people who have said or done something against the other side at one time or another and I am sure you are not an exception to that, although you do sound like you have the right to throw the first stone – but do you have that right?

  • Jeremy

    ATTENTION MICK FEALTY.
    Mick – Am I calling it right if I say that over the last few weeks Martin Ingram has becom a serial troller who seems to be soley intent on fermenting discord in the republican movement. If all he wants to do is that then good for him. It keeps the checks coming in. However he is starting to drag threads done into repetitive rants. Like all on this site we are close watchers of the process, and are fairly inured to repetition but this is starting to surely numb the most seasoned watcher.Let each poster kick the shit out of SF if they want but surely Mr Ingram’s IKEA style, ad hominem posts dont add much.

  • Bellowing Fred

    The Devil wrote “I don’t think it’s unusual for one agent to turn up at another agents funeral, but the cynical hug for a bereaved wife I find quite tastless because it was not a hug for her but for the cameras and only the cameras

    If Adams was really sincere he would have called over to the home and done it in private….. but wait there’d be no cameras to photograph it…. therefore there is no point in going….. what an oiltanker”

    Right, so everybody’s an agent – except you, of course. What a joker you are. I wonder what you’re a member of – the Peoples front for the Liberation of Judea, or the Popular Front for the Liberation of Judea (see both listed under ‘electorally insignificant microgroups’.)

  • Truth and Justice

    Foster needs to get real its time for a deal and peace for N Ireland

  • gareth mccord

    nationalist
    just typical!!
    i do not air my own personal opinions, only FACTS which are still occuring at the present and forseeable future. My bad points certainly donot include murder attempted murder drug dealing racketeering extortion robberies in fact i have no record. But these activities are still happening from the uvf/pup FACT.People do have a past and people like me accept that. But unless they show true remorse and not on certain terms they cannot be forgiven nor accepted in a civilised community. If families are seeking justice for their loved ones do you or people like you expect us to give up and walk away? so then we will expose those we KNOW are protecting the killers and everything to do with the murder!! what people like you need to understand is not understandable unless you are in the same situation were killers have been and continue to be protected from politicians police and government! As for those who dont want to believe and have never believed, what will your reasons be come next monday the 22nd, when all that i have written and all that is in the papers over the last 9 years is confirmed by the ombudsman and alot more of which i am legally unable to write on slugger. WHAT WILL THE UVF SPIN AND THEIR POLITICIANS SPIN FOR THEM? never accept any deal that lets killers off no matter what!!!

  • Henry94

    BF

    If Adams was really sincere he would have called over to the home and done it in private.

    On another occasion Ian Paisley was criticised for going to the house and not the funeral. I think we will always find fault if we really want to.

  • merrie

    I think it is great that Adams attended the funeral even if it were just a gesture for the media (I don’t think it was) and that no loyalist “took the opportunity” as some were said to have muttered wishfully. The situation is very Irish if you consider the ancient warfare between the various kings within the Uladh.

    So far there has been barely a mention of the second part of the topic: Paisley being condemned at the pulpit by a clergyman of Paisley’s own church – a Luther moment, perhaps (hopefully).

    Does anyone have some comments on this? Would love to hear them.

    Thanks

    Merrie

  • Henry94

    merrie

    I think the DUP have a problem in that a large percentage of their support are simply against power-sharing. No deal will do. If Sinn Fein failed to pass policing they could have remained united but now it will be crunch time. The only question is how big will the split be. 10%? 20%? It will be interesting to find out.

  • Nationalist: When your brother has been murdered by UVF/RUC touts, when the killing has been covered up by Secretary of State Mo Mowlam along with top police officers, when the same UVF men have been allowed to get away with at least a dozen murders including yiur loved one’s, maybe, just maybe, you will understand.
    Roll on January 22. I pray Gareth that the ombudsman’s report will bring charges.

  • Crataegus

    Gerry

    NO crategus, there is a bet on which funeral is going to be next.

    Never good to gamble on whom Mort will visit next, may not be around to collect the wager. For myself I prefer Voodoo a bit more proactive and the ceremonies really do wonders for stress and pent up rage.

  • Truth and Justice

    I think you are wrong Henry94 the DUP itself 89% support the deal and the delivery of Sinn Fein on support for Policing will be enough for the grassroots to go with, middle of the road Unionist voters will more than make up for any hardline voters that dont go along with the deal, lets face it who have they got to vote for!

  • Harris

    Penelope

    “would it not be better to give Lesley-Anne Henry of the Telegraph credit for your post instead of passing it off as your own? It’s practically word for word!”

    Yes it would have, though I really wasn’t trying to take credit for her article. I should have used (from the media) after “mutter.”

    Thanks for being on the ball.

  • Henry94

    T & J

    I hope you’re right.

  • Dictionary Dave

    Seeing Adams hug the blonde bombshell who was the sexual partner of a UVF bomber epitomises what this entire squalid war was about. It really shows who The Godfather is. We can only hope that someone will hug Collette in similar fashion in the not too distant future.
    How much collusion was there between the Provos and the UVF during the Troubles? I know the Sticks and UVF worked together as did the South’s criminal gangs but just how many times did the Provos and UVF work together? Adams had an inlaw with UVF connections stiffed and that upset him but I wonder how close the ties were and if they were on the same par as the UVF/PIRA ties with MI5.

  • iluvni

    Good for you Gareth McCord.
    You deserve a pat on the back for your commentary this past week.

  • The Devil

    Bellowing Fred and Andyk

    Andyk,

    Adams did not pay a private visit to the Ervine household or have a private meeting with Ervines partner, the only non electronic contact he had was at the funeral, and was clearly just a cynical photo-oportunity.
    Compare that to when Billy Hutcheson visited the family home of former hunger-striker Pat McGeown in Owenvarragh where Hutcheson heavily disguised with heavy coat paddy cap and glasses was smuggled into the McGeown house to pay his respects to the McGeown family circle, not a camera in site and the only journalist to get the story ****** ******* of the Irish news had so much pressure put on them by “concerned party’s” that the story was buried.

    But sure if you don’t believe me phone Connelly House for confirmation or ask any of the McGeown family circle……

    Bellowing Fred,

    So what your saying is “Might is Right” only when you have a gigantic vote should anyone take notice of you……..

    So when the DUP were a small but unfaulteringly loyal party we should have ignored them… because the unionist people didn’t

    So when the DUP were small but a stubbornly principled party we should have dismissed them…. because the unionist people didn’t

    So when the DUP were a small but refreshingly honest party we should have underestimated them… just like the UUP did.

    Or when the Anti H blocks candidates stood for election as a “micro-grouping” we should have ignored them…. because the SDLP did

    Or when Sinn Fein stood in council elections for the first time we should have underestimated them…. because the Irish Government did.

    Or when the hunger-strikers started to refuse food because they were the hard core of the imprisoned hardcore of the urban hardcore element of micro-republicanism we should have dismissed them… because Margret Thatcher did.

    Or because elements within Sinn Fein like Adams and McGuinness who had no stomach for a military campaign and were trying to convert the party to democratic politics only should have been forgotten about because they were so few in number… because MI5 and MI6 didn’t think so.

  • e/tyrone

    Its terrible that on the day that hunger striker Martin Hurson’s sister was buried Gerry Adams decided instead to go to the funeral of a UVF car bomber who by his own admission NEVER left the uvf. David Ervine claimed he joined the uvf in 1972 after bloody friday but was not arrested until 1975 so who knows how many other successful uvf car bombs he delivered in that 3 year period…..Gerry Adams will pay at the polls n March when SF should get the Political spanking they deserve from the Republican Grassroots – shame on you Adams its no wonder you had no call for a bodyguard at Ervines funeral even though you were surrounded by Jackie McDonald and hundreds of other Loyalists they no longer see you as a threat- your views have changed so much you are more akin to Loyalism than Republicanism….

  • bertie

    “Good for you Gareth McCord.
    You deserve a pat on the back for your commentary this past week.”

    Totally agree iluvni and what it must have cost him to comment, I can only guess. I just hope he gets some catharsis from it as there is little else positive about what has happened.

  • Bellowing Fred

    Devil
    Bad news son, the war is over and SF and the DUP won – get used to it. But waffle on about ‘agents’ as much as you like. Ain’t nobody taking YOU serious no more.
    PS did you ever have any meetings with Special Branch in Hillsborough yourself, by the way?

  • Rory

    For those concerned that the private grief of the bereaved family may have been intruded upon by the very presence of political figures attending the funeral it would do well to remind them of the simple stark reality that the public funeral of a deceased political activist is in itself a political event and will be exploited as such.

    Indeed such is the element of political symbolism in it that it becomes quite impossible to distinguish between genuine respect and political opportunism, indeed the two will often be present in a single mourner.

    The way for the family to avoid this is to have a strictly private, invitation only funeral and later a memorial service which may be public or by invitation only.

    That on this occasion the family choose to recognise the public involvement of the deceased and his willingness to engage at all levels in the pursuit of a shared commonality by allowing the funeral to be as open as the man’s ideas seems to me a fitting tribute and it is fitting that those formerly seen as his enemies were there to pay their respects and in so doing pay tribute to the contribution he had made.

  • pitt your wits

    I’m a loyalist from Ballymacarrett and I’ll begrudingly give credit to Adams for appearing at the funeral. The talk on the Lower Newtown is, fair play at least he had the balls to come, unlike Paisley. At least Adams has been seen on the Newtownards Road unlike Paisley, for a long time.

    To me it is a sign that the war is really over and ordinary people in areas like our and the Strand, who suffered the most, will at least get peace now.

    When people in Clandeboye attacked Cluan Place, Ervine worked hard to calm it down , unlike a certain UUP Councillor who mixed it to the max and then went home to suburbia.

    PUP need a strong candidate to stop this man being a beneficiary of David’s death.

  • Intelligence Insider

    If “Gareth” really is the brother of Raymond McCord jnr he has a bit of a cheek to call anyone a drug dealer!

  • Christopher Eastwood

    These two events are certainly signs of big change in this part of the world.

    Surely Paisley’s current “condemnations” are of the most welcome kind. Being criticised for being a “bringer of peace” has got to be a loftier aspiration than being congratulated for provoking discord.

    As for aul Gerry A, well… now that is a photograph for history books of the future. It’s great to see.

    One final point. Some of Slugger’s male commentators (I emphasise “some”) really need to get themselves girlfriends. LOL Seriously!!! The depths some people read into things. In their own minds, it may pass for insight, but it really does come across badly. Unedifying, to say the least. Grow up lads!

  • bertie

    “If “Gareth” really is the brother of Raymond McCord jnr he has a bit of a cheek to call anyone a drug dealer! ”

    Why?

  • I Wonder

    Christopher:

    You need to be careful re. comments on “needing a g/f.” A female blogger of my acquaintance once criticised a male blogger for needing such and this resulted in a prolonged personal campaign of vilification and personation, which continues to this day…which I think, rather proved the point, don’t you? Tension can be a terrible thing. 🙂

  • gareth mccord

    intelligence
    WHY? and its on the record raymond was convicted of no crimes in a court of law! but i do know he was young and very stupid and easily led by being caught bringing in a semi legal drug for the uvf to sell. i believe and my family that he should have been brought to court and dealt with.
    so i will ask again WHY?

  • Conor Gillespie

    The funny thing is, (assuming of course that Ian kicks the bucket first) on a personal level, I’m sure Adams is going to have to grit his teeth MUCH harder to show up for Paisley’s funeral than for Ervines.