Simpson: Sinn Fein in no state to do a deal…

Here’s a classic ‘let’s move on’ statement from David Simpson:

“Given that we are likely to see many other dissident candidates stand against Sinn Fein/IRA’s internal purge, accelerated splintering and the now inevitable challenge to (Gerry) Adams`s leadership it is clear that Sinn Fein cannot or will not democratise any time soon,” the Upper Bann MP argued. “There is now a clear onus on the government to move on without them. Let’s bring an end to the numerous delays and false dawns.

“Let the Prime Minister now show leadership and put in place legislation that will allow for the devolution of powers to democratic parties to establish an executive free from the taint of those who still refuse to break free of the morality of a terrorist organisation.

That, of course, would be a collapse back to a long heralded Plan B of the DUP’s: the voluntary coalition. Hardly a new position, but it is more likely an attempt at tit for tat over internal party tensions within Sinn Fein than a threat to collapse the game.

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  • Yokel

    Just how many spoons did the DUP buy at Tescos to stir pots with?

    Looks like a catering pack.

    An utterly worthless statement.

  • ingram

    Yokel,

    Are you aware Tescos have a half price sale on!

    and ever lttle bit makes a difference.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • Bemused

    Nice one Davy! (What an utter balloon)….

  • Aaron McDaid

    Simpson wants “devolution of powers to democratic parties to establish an executive free from the taint of those who still refuse to break free of the morality of a terrorist organisation.”

    So that’s the SDLP and Alliance in power on their own then? With Deeny as the health minister maybe? Doesn’t sound so bad. Good work Simpson.

  • northsider

    …thus spake the honourable member for Cloud Cuckoo Land. I know they’re all rapacious, career politicians whose only concern is feathering their own nests while keeping their electorate steeped and soused in fear, paranoia and bigotry – but they could at least refrain from insulting the intelligence of the rest of us by coming out with such utter, utter self-serving, ingenuine tripe as this.

    Did he even think this through? Or is it just another ME! ME! ME! press release from a non-entity with too much time and too much misplaced ambition?

    Lord Ha’ Mercy!

  • DUP Watcher

    MEP Jim Allister, in an exclusive article for the Belfast Telegraph (today), reminds the Prime Minister that the DUP wants proof Sinn Fein is serious about policing (text below)

    So Sinn Fein, once it gets over its petulant foot-stamping, because unionists have not joined the Government in being gushing cheerleaders for the republican movement, might support the police and the rule of law. Good. But, how would we know and when?

    Given that since its inception the Provisional Sinn Fein movement has supported the very antithesis of the rule of law and all things lawful, it is hardly unreasonable for the DUP executive to insist that any mere verbal commitment is tested and tried over a credible period – it seems timely to remind the Prime Minister that this is the DUP’s binding policy. What might some of those tests be?

    Most are self-evident:

    Encouragement to join the PSNI, which can be tested by seeing an upturn in Roman Catholic applications in future recruitment competitions, the next of which does not open until March.

    Publicly promoted direct co-operation with the police, demonstrated by a sustained increase in the flow of information about crime, of all types, from within nationalist communities, and including co-operation with the Historical Enquiries Team.

    An increased conviction rate, resulting not only from statements to the police but evidence being given in court, not just in high-profile cases, like the McCartney murder, but in all cases.

    A marked decrease in and end of association with organised crime in such areas as fuel smuggling and money laundering.

    Then, there is the important issue of the return of ill-gotten gains, highlighted by Dr Paisley MP as essential, both at St Andrews and in the News Letter on December 30 2006. Clearly, Sinn Fein has far to travel in this regard. Wholehearted support for the rule of law will see an end to Sinn Fein’s fatuous denial that the IRA was responsible for the Northern Bank robbery. You can’t be in support of the rule of law and the police and at the same time repudiate the intelligence findings of the police in order to excuse and accept “the word” of an illegal organisation.

    Ending association with an illegality is a key and defining issue. The IRA is an illegal organisation with military structures in place. No one can credibly be said to be supportive of the rule of law and supportive of an illegal organisation at one and the same time. Hence, the logic of disbandment of the IRA as a corollary to Sinn Fein acceptance of the rule of law. How could anyone be said to genuinely support the rule of law and at the same time support, endorse, justify, or be associated with an illegal “Army”, with an “Army Council” (It is less than two years since the Republic’s Justice Minister, Michael McDowell, publicly named Adams and McGuinness as members of the Army Council, and Bertie Ahern described Sinn Fein and the IRA as “both sides of the same coin”). So, the end of the IRA Army Council would seem an indispensable part of proof of support for the rule of law. The IMC’s next report will be watched with interest on this point.

    Critically, there is the pivotal issue of the warped republican view of criminality. Less than two years ago Mitchel McLaughlin declared on RTE that though the IRA murder of mother-of-10 Jean McConville was ” wrong”, it was not a “crime”. Evidently, such a perverted view of criminality would make a nonsense of support for the rule of law. So, a clear affirmation from Sinn Fein that any breach of the criminal law of Northern Ireland, by anyone at any time, is and was unequivocally a crime, is a pre-requisite to meaningful commitments to oppose criminality. We have yet to hear such a declaration.

    Finally, the daily actions of Sinn Fein leaders must match their words. Glorification of terrorist acts is wholly incompatible with support for the rule of law. Three days after Adams spoke in Dublin of Sinn Fein preparing to support the police, he was in Fermanagh glorifying two IRA terrorists who met their just desserts when they attacked a police station.
    This sort of schizophrenic approach to the rule of law shows just how much Sinn Fein has to do to begin to convince law-abiding citizens that any professed commitment to the rule of law is genuine.

    Tempting as it might be for some to obscure or fudge or rush these issues, if a durable way forward is to be found, then it must be on tested and tried foundations.
    …………………………
    Pity the IRA decommissioned or he might have insisted on them shooting themselves first before destroying the weapons. Still, there’s always hara-kiri

  • Northsider

    Sinn Fein/IRA’s internal purge, accelerated splintering and the now inevitable challenge to (Gerry) Adams`s leadership it is clear that Sinn Fein cannot or will not democratise any time soon

    Says loyal Dave of the united DUP. A democratic party headed by leader-for-life Ian P.

  • Northsider

    Allister is too late with this – Santa’s been and gone.

    Maybe next year – maybe there’ll be vacancy at the top table by then.

  • Aaron McDaid

    DUP Watcher,
    I don’t expect I’ll be convincing you to change your mind, or vice versa. But it does appear that you are unaware of the thoughts of republicans and nationalists. It is important that you are fully up to date, if only so you can more precisely hone your arguments.

    (Most) republicans will always believe that the IRA was more legitimate (no matter what way you measure ‘legitimacy’) than the RUC and associated British agencies. There will be no wavering whatsoever in that opinion, regardless of any Ard Fheis motion. Even those nationalists who didn’t support the IRA did not necessarily see the RUC as being much better.

    You seem to imply that SF will be saying one thing and doing another. But there is no doublespeak or confusion. I certainly don’t speak for anyone other than myself, but I’m sure most republicans would agree that supporting the PSNI can be 100% compatible with continued disgust at the RUC and support for the war and so on.

    I’m not trying to change your mind or anyone else, DUP Watcher, because there are dozens of other threads for those argument, but it’s important (if only for your own sake) that you are fully aware of what any Ard Fheis motion would mean.

    You should direct your concern and disappointment at the contents of the motion (the fact that its scope is much smaller than you would like), rather than falsely alleging that SF will not live up to the motion.

  • 2050

    Its seems the Democratic Precondition Party haven’t the slightest notion off sharing power proportionally in a devolved government when you read some off the crap in statements from their politicians and the DUP watchers post above and you have to wonder about the word democratic in the party name.

    Anyway, they will only do what they have to and might do something when the moneys cut. I don’t believe now they will form a viable devolved government in the near future as this is seen as a step towards unification.

    Why don’t they admit that is what is behind all the bullshit?

    Sharing power proportionally would expose the fact there is no need for all this division. The reasons for it are fading fast.

    Both British and Irish governmental systems, civil service, tax systems are broadly similar except we would all be much better off in a unified peaceful country were the majority off people wouldn’t actually give a toss about the next mans religion as in most country’s.

    What were the last census figures again?

  • Rory

    This Simpson is clearly under the thrall of his uncle, Homer. He would do better to heed the wisdom of cousin Bart.

    One suspects that very soon he will be compelled to eat his shorts.

  • Bono

    “Then, there is the important issue of the return of ill-gotten gains, highlighted by Dr Paisley MP as essential”

    Does this mean that Paisley will return his doctorate and ask for his $10 back?

  • puritan

    Quite obviously this latest offering from one of the twelve apostles is further confirmation that they are trying to do all in their power to make the shinners’ unease as great as possible and maximise internal republicvan divisions – we have had statements frok Allister, McCrea, Dodds, Morrow, Campbell and Storey since the weekend all aimed at turning the screw on SF.

    Let’s see if Marty carries through his Ard Feis cancellation threat.

  • Stiofán de Buit

    It’s as clear as the nose on Jimmy Durante’s face that there is a sizable section of the DUP that is not prepared to share power with Sinn Féin under any circumstances. Every utterance they spew seems designed to discourage Sinn Féin from holding their Ard Fheis and signing up to policing.

    I just hope and pray the Sinners have the sense to go ahead with their Ard Fheis. If they do, I think there is a majority within the DUP who will share power.

  • exuup

    the answers simple. let the elections continue. If Sf are not in a position to swear an oath that includes the support of law and order andthe police, then they will effectively exclude tehmselves from power.

    the balls in their court

  • Yokel

    You know the only DUP’ers we havent heard from are Mrs Dodds & Robinson….

    Maybe they are typing up all the releases and making tea.

  • Well said, Jim Allister. A little harsh reality into Peace Processland.

  • Bono

    So you agree that Paisley should cash in his doctorate, David?

  • Better cash in a doctorate than your principles, eh Bono.

    The reality is that those who swallow the guff and lies of the “peace process” are beyond rational or coherent debate. Thus when Jim Allister, or David Simpson even, make some sensible points … out comes the faux outrage. Very amusing.

  • Bono

    Yeah, David, but let’s take that “rational or coherent debate” of his shall we?

    He says that a test of SF commitment is for instance:

    “Encouragement to join the PSNI, which can be tested by seeing an upturn in Roman Catholic applications in future recruitment competitions, the next of which does not open until March.”

    WTF?!!! The one doesn’t follow from the other. If a guy wants to join the police he will, if not he won’t. This is a test of SF?

    When Allister criticises his own party’s “warped view of criminality” I’ll start listening.

  • McBurney

    Bono,

    The point I believe both Mr Allister and many others in the DUP have made is that, if Sinn Fein truely do support the PSNI in word and, much more importantly, deed, then surely they should be encouraging young Roman Catholics to join the police. Allister and co. have made it very plain: Unionists do not trust the words of Sinn Fein, so if they want community confidence to exist it must be done by real actions on the ground. This is but one way to quantitively do that.

  • kensei

    “Unionists do not trust the words of Sinn Fein, so if they want community confidence to exist it must be done by real actions on the ground.”

    Except it’s a nonsense excuse for the devolution of powers. SF can’t get the ministry and every single decision can be challenged be the DUP if they want.

    SF are letting the DUP sett he terms of the debate here, when it is quite clearly bollocks.

  • URQUHART

    “…establish an executive free from the taint of those who still refuse to break free of the morality of a terrorist organisation.”

    Surely he means the IMmorality of a terrorist organisation?

    If you’re going to take the high ground Simpson…

  • Briso

    >>“Encouragement to join the PSNI, which can be
    >>tested by seeing an upturn in Roman Catholic
    >>applications in future recruitment
    >>competitions, the next of which does not open
    >>until March.”

    >WTF?!!! The one doesn’t follow from the other.
    >If a guy wants to join the police he will, if
    >not he won’t. This is a test of SF?

    You don’t understand. The IRA must force Catholics to join the PSNI and kneecap those who refuse. Only then will we be able to say that they are respecting law and order.

  • bertie

    “and kneecap those who refuse”

    Some habits do die hard.

  • Yokel

    Every time someone says the word ‘Simpson’ I keep hearing Mr Burn’s say it…..one of your stooges in Sector 7G indeed.