Gerry McGeough considers SF challenge

Gerry McGeough, a convicted IRA gun-runner and former Sinn Fein Executive member, has said in an Sunday World interview he is considering running in Fermanagh and South Tyrone as an independent. He says:

Someone has to stand up to Ian Paisley’s Democratic Unionist Party.

He argues that the DUP is not fit for government and that the Garda should be used to police nationalist communities.

When Gerry McGeough quit Sinn Fein he accused it of abandoning the goal of a United Ireland and adopting a policy that would lead to the introduction of abortion. His social conservatism and arch-traditional Catholic views has led some to accuse him of facism. He edits the magazine ‘The Hibernian’. He has also authored two books about his time in the PIRA.

  • slug

    One suspects these types have very little support indeed in the broad community.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, one wonders how the socialists (mmm) in the anti SF alliance will feel about lining up beside Gerry.

    Since leaving SF his support for fundamentalists such as Justin Barrett and Youth Defence leaves one in no doubt just exactly where he is now coming from.

    At least the anti SF alliance will be guaranteed column inches in Gerry’s Hibernian magazine.

  • Greenflag

    McGeough is wrong about ‘standing up’ to Paisley. The Irish Nationalist and Republican community throughout all of Ireland need to ignore Paisley and his ilk and demand a fair Repartition of Northern Ireland by a neutral international organisaton such as the UN or EU .

    Roll on Repartition nad be done with the farce of a useless and powerless Assembly.

  • ingram

    Pat,

    I listened to an interview by Gerry on RFE. You may be interested also. Very interesting.

    http://archive.wbai.org/files/mp3/070106_133001rfeireann.MP3

    Whilst I have you attention. You seem to have missed one or two of my posts earlier this week.

    Could you give me and the other non partisan Bloggers and update on Sinn Fein s position regarding:

    a. MI5 involvement in Republican policing.Is Sinn Fein still committed to no involvement whilst MI5 remain as the primary agency tasked to collect Republican Intelligence?

    b. The OTR issue. You suggested this to me last week that the issue was to be dealt with outside the agreed GFA early release scheme for scheduled offenders and would be made public shortly by Sinn Fein.

    Is this still true and can you confirm that OTR`s would not be required to serve a small sentence like Ken Barrett did recently and then be released upon a Licence?

    In short can you tell me why IRA OTR`s are different to the other criminals released under the scheduled offenders scheme?

    Thank You my friend .Please do listen to Gerry on the RFE. Darkie Hughes and John Kelly are also on the show a touch later, that too is interesting.

    Mr kelly was extremely well spoken and articulated true Republican beliefs. I dont happen to agree with him but he gets a very clear 10/10 for his clear and principled views.

    A formidable 71 years old true Republican.No wonder Sinn Fein do not want him to stand against them or to debate with him. Very wise.

    http://archive.wbai.org/files/mp3/070106_133001rfeireann.MP3

    Over to you Mr Sinn Fein?

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram

    a. MI5 to have no role at all in civic policing. the Annex inserted by the Britsh at St Andrews now removed (I believe). As no detail has emerged I cannot comment further at this time.

    b. On the issue of the OTR’s I stated that I believed that the issue would be dealt with. I did not state it would be made public shortly by SF. I believe I have already answered all your points on the OTRs, if you don’t agree that is fine but I do not want to waste time on circular arguments.

    As for J Kelly et al, John can stand for election if he so chooses. You are being dishonest in stating SF do not want him to stand. SF will take on all comers, simple as that. BTW your damning of guy with feint praise is a bit too transparent and I am sure most unwelcome.

  • ingram

    Pat.

    You have not responded to my questions and you know it.Neither has Chris Donnelly our other resident Shinner. Now is your opportunity to do so in DETAIL.

    MI5 have the primary role in collecting all intelligence upon REPUBLICANS or any other bodied considered a threat to British National interest. The police have been tasked to collect Loyalist Intelligence.

    Therefore MI5 have a primary role in policing Republicans.

    Any arrest of a Republican involved in terrorism or any associated related aspect ie illegal fund raising or the collection of the long term strategy of Sinn Fein will be controlled and directed by MI5?

    Yes or No Pat.

    With respect Pat you have not explained in detail your point. I ask you once more to explain fully why IRA OTR`s are different?

    You have not detailed why and Sinn Fein believe IRA OTR`s are different to the other criminals who have been dealt with under the GFA?

    The example I offered previously and you ignored is Ken Barrett,one of those involved in the murder of Pat Finucanne? he did 18 months RECENTLY or so of prison time and then was released under the GFA on licence. In other words a scheduled offender.

    Pat Finucanes brother Dermot is currently OTR in the Republic weanted for a number of murders . Why should he be treated differently to Ken Barrett.

    Please explain why the IRA OTR`s are different and why you consider this subject to be a deal breaker, all for a handful of criminals?

    Why do you want to move away from the existing GFA arrangements ?

    Thank You

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram,

    do you know what has been agreed at the recent negotiations re the role of MI5? Quite obviously not. When you become aware of the detail please get back to me.

    ‘On the issue of the OTR’s I stated that I believed that the issue would be dealt with. I did not state it would be made public shortly by SF. I believe I have already answered all your points on the OTRs, if you don’t agree that is fine but I do not want to waste time on circular arguments.’

  • ingram

    Pat.

    A very shallow response Pat.

    So you, along with Chris Gaskin have been assured that MI5 involvement in policing Republicans has been sorted. We shall see.

    The issue of IRA OTR`s remains. Why are you reluctant to explain why these individual are different to every other scheduled offender?

    What power exactly do these handful of criminals have over a so called political party that they would risk this deal for less than 20 people?

    Once more I ask you. Why are they so special that you want the GFA agreement changed? and you would risk this deal?

    Thank You.

    Martin

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram,

    I take it from you response that you do not know the outcome of athe negotiations. So yet again you are posting about things you know nothing about.

    Now on the OTRs I will poast onw last time in an idiot proof manner that even you can understand.

    The issue is called the OTR issue ie those that have actuaaly been ‘On The Run’. The proposed British legislation was called the OTR legislation.

    Dermot Finucane fell under the category of the OTR debate simply because he was ‘On The Run’. Ken Barrett or any other idiotic comparison does not fit into the debate simply because they were not ‘On The Run’. Now, have you got that?

  • Quaysider

    MI5 never had any plans to involve itself in ‘civic policing’, nor was there ever any proposal to that effect. Pat’s line is ridiculous spin straight Connolly House.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Quaysider,

    They did, an example of this was the secondment of PSNI personnel to MI5.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram,

    I always know when you are floundering when you start introducing untruths onto the thread and then attribute them to me or other posters. You 1.47pm post was a case in point. ‘Please explain why the IRA OTR`s are different and why you consider this subject to be a deal breaker, all for a handful of criminals?’ I have never at any stage described it as a deal breaker.

    As posted on other threads there is enough already out there without having to make up quotes etc. Please desist Ingram.

  • Yokel

    Jaysus

    The idea that any Sinn Fein supporter on here is going to be privy to high level negotiatiosn and the details is madness.

    Thats not a criticism of such peopole, its just a fact. These things, by necessity are being kept in a very a tight circle and the average Shinner member will only find out when something is presented at much the same time as the public get wind of it as well.

  • mickhall

    ‘ingram’

    Thanks for the radio link, its good to hear two Irish republicans use the word socialism and mean it.

    http://archive.wbai.org/files/mp3/070106_133001rfeireann.MP3

  • Garibaldy

    Pat,

    Surely PSF claims to be socialist, so the same thing that you said in comment 2 about the dissidents applies to PSF when he was a senior member, not that long ago. He did after all leave rather than be expelled.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Garibaldy,

    I was unaware that he held such views while in SF. He certainly never made them public. He left SF because of what he stated was the liberalisnm in the party on social issues.
    That is why I stated ‘Since leaving SF his support for fundamentalists such as Justin Barrett and Youth Defence leaves one in no doubt just exactly where he is now coming from.’

  • time will tell

    Again wee marty ingram has taken the trousers of the Shinners on this site….. they run from him here as the people who run their party run from the fight with brits on the streets and in the countryside….. gutless gutless gutless

    this blogging committee is being paid to bullsit the readers of this site about the magnificant skilled negotiators on the Shinner leadership, when in fact the brits and DUP have also taken the trousers off them at the table

    answer the man if you can but i doubt it

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    The trolls are out early today.

  • Secur O’Crat

    Calling Gery McGough a Catholic fundamentalist is a bit rich. If he was, he would not have engaged in the Provo’s sectarian slaughter campaign but would have spent the best years of his life saying the Rosary.
    McGough has some principles. The Provos have none, No moral principles, no political principles. Nothing.
    I wonder if Micksey martin will vote for him and if the Provos will rough up his supporters.

  • Garibaldy

    Pat,

    Thanks for the answer. I’d still be surprised though if his senior colleagues didn’t know about them from long ago.

  • me and the other non partisan Bloggers

    LOL, when did spooks become non partisan??

    this blogging committee is being paid

    What blogging committee and paid by whom?

  • Rubicon

    Pat – Gerry McGeough’s views seem to be pretty close to those of Sean South. Now – who was that attended South’s commemoration last week? Surely Gerry would have known of South’s right wing Catholicism – whatever about McGeough’s.

  • mickhall

    “LOL, when did spooks become non partisan??”

    Chris,

    Could it have been about the same time as some people thought the police in the north had?.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Rubicon,

    i’m unaware that Sean South may be contesting the forthcoming elections, is that as topical as you can get?

  • Mick

    I have never thought of the RUC/PSNI as non partisan and I never will!

  • Rubicon

    Very good Pat – liked that reply – you could have a future on the stage 😉

    I’ll try and be clearer; SF has created a pretty broad church of support (no pun intended) and eulogising the likes of South plays no small part in that. That being the case, the right-wing reactionary politics of McGeough may well cause electoral damage to SF. I expect it represents a small enough minority – but not so small as not to be courted by SF’s leadership and not so small as not to threaten electoral damage.

  • Henry94

    Good, if he runs. I hope dissidents, independent or otherwise, run everywhere. I would be very interested to see the size of their mandate. If it is significant then Sinn Fein will have to take that on board in future negotiations. if it is not the dissidents will have to accept that they have lost the argument on the process.

    greenflag

    Your day may well be coming. The process will sink or swim in the next few months and it is hard to say which at this stage.

  • Rubicon

    God Henry – please don’t encourage him! A whole stack of repartitionist posts will sure now follow ;(

    Where’s the Anadin …

    (If I didn’t know better I’d think you did that on purpose!)

  • TWH

    He’ll not be getting my first-time vote.

    Foster 1

    Morrow 2.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Rubicon,

    you could be right on the make up of some of the support re the broad church.
    At this juncture in the political development of SF it is at least expected that party members broadly agree with the policies of the party. Clearly there may be other right wing reactionary elements who came to SF solely because of the SF position of the national question.
    By courting Mc Geough the anti SF alliance have indicated that their natural home is now with them, (although that could prove embarrassing for some of the leftists within the alliance). Like Mc Geough those people should now reassess their own position within SF.

  • mickhall

    Chris,

    Fair enough.

  • ingram

    Hi,

    Quaysider quote”MI5 never had any plans to involve itself in ‘civic policing’, nor was there ever any proposal to that effect. Pat’s line is ridiculous spin straight Connolly House.

    Pat Response.

    quote”They did, an example of this was the secondment of PSNI personnel to MI5″unquote.

    Pat.

    As I have already explained on more than one occassion on this site MI5 has been recruiting from the broad Intelligence community now for over two years. That recruitment was for the day they took primacy of Republican/Dissident Republican Intelligence collection.That day is upon us. Whether Sinn Fein sign up or not.

    Well over half of their current staff are drawn from the old SB. I know one or twenty two of them, indeed one of the most infamous former SB Handlers involved in the shoot to kill and other very high profile killings died this weekend after a short illness (George I) ( 6 weeks)he had been recruited into MI5 two years ago from SB.

    There are of course many of my former comrades in the FRU who have also transferd across to the civil service.

    MI5 will be responsible for ALL Republican matters, if you HONESTLY think that does not constitute policing you are a greater fool than I took you for. That said I dont think you are a fool. You are just trying in vain to do a ” Gerry” those days of lying are coming to an end.The public and a few of your MLA`s` have seen through the veneer. Thank God.

    let remind you it was a condition of Sinn Fein to remove MI5 from the equation motion 395 and associated press releases. You and Chris have been assured that will be the case. Let us leave this subject for now and re-visit the issue once we know the final outcome.Thank You

    Chris G.

    ” Partisan”

    I did put that quote in to bring a smile to your face, it has been some time since we have seen you on the site and your presence has been sorely missed.

    Mick H.

    I found the interview extremly interesting. It is clear the level of disent within the Republican community is greater than we are being told by the resident Sinn Fein committee.

    Ding Ding.

    Martin

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram,

    on your claims re the make up of MI5, who you meet etc, your inside knowledge etc, I have already told you on threads going back years that I do not believe a word you say.
    Your attempt to persuade by virtue of being the ‘resident expert’ on intelligence matters certainly doesn’t wash with me.
    As previously stated you were a minor figure in some incidents (you claim) 20 yrs ago, that is the line you spin to make you appear relevant. Forgive me if I choose to see you as totally irrelevant.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “I have never thought of the RUC/PSNI as non partisan and I never will!

    Posted by Chris Gaskin on Jan 07, 2007 @ 04:50 PM”

    Dissident alert! dissident alert!
    Oops, drinking in the poisoned air of Albion has caused young Gasket to..er blow a gasket here.

    Surely the all new PSNI that Gerry has ordered you to support is just that -or has he got that wrong, and supporting it “because it’s the right thing to do” (copyright Conor Murphy MP) is a mistake?
    The only other explanation-too ridiculous to be mentioned- is that the Shinners aren’t signed up to policing at all, in which case Gasket has gifted Jim Allister another quote to prove his eminently logical analysis.

  • darth

    Were you drunk when you wrote that post?

    Dissident alert! dissident alert!

    Hardly, it’s a view shared by many in Sinn Féin.

    Oops, drinking in the poisoned air of Albion has caused young Gasket to..er blow a gasket here.

    You really shouldn’t drink toliet duck!

    that Gerry has ordered you to support

    I have been ordered to support nothing

    is that the Shinners aren’t signed up to policing at all

    Of course, the Ard Fheis hasn’t been held yet.

    Mick you really ought to consider an IQ requirement for people who post here.

  • ingram

    Pat,

    You may find this a surprise mate but I dont post on this forum for you.

    I do enjoy debating points with you though.

    In relation to the make up of Box. The SDLP have already confirmed the recruitment of former SB/Military figures.It is hardly a secret mate.

    I am sorry that does not fit with your narrow understanding.

    In relation to my credibilty.

    Well as you say I do have some experience in this game.

    I can claim to have unmasked the highest career tout in you orgnanisation and been involved in the largest ever recovery of IRA arms in ANY Hum Int operation on the Island of Ireland by one of my Agents. And Co written a best selling book and had many other pieces carried by quality publications.That is not a bad record in any ones books.

    Pat, would you Remind me and the other Bloggers? your experience and achievements are?

    LOL

    Shall we move on.

    In relation to MI5. We shall see exactly what if anything your party managed to negotiate regarding their involvement in policing Republicans.

    But police Republicans they will, whether you like it or not.

    let us not forget you and Chris have a lot riding upon it. LOL

    Resident expert

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • Resident expert

    On what?

    disinformation? spook intelligence? how they get the figs in the fig rolls?

    What are you claiming to be an expert on exactly?

  • ingram

    Chris,

    The word expert was raised by your comrade Patsy.

    But now that you raise it.

    12 years Intelligence work inside the IRA mate. With a proven track record of handling and recruiting the agents that destroyed Republicanism.

    Ask Judge Barron via Irish Government.

    Ask BloodySunday

    Ask Sir John Stevens & Hugh Orde

    and now the wright inquiry only three weeks ago.

    All the above came to ME and asked for me to help them.

    And then you can ask

    Freddy Scappatticci? the former GHQ member formerly of the IRA security department for over twenty years.

    That was only a couple of years ago.

    I guess that makes me more experienced than most and most certainly you and Patsy?.

    Ding Ding

    Resident Expert

    Martin

  • You can’t and didn’t destroy Republicanism

    I guess that makes me more experienced than most and most certainly you and Patsy?.

    I have never been a spook, that “accolade” rests with you and you alone on this thread.

    Donald R. Gannon once said “Where facts are few, experts are many”

    Sounds like an apt description for you Ingram

  • ingram

    Chris,

    What you cannot doubt is I do get results.

    You admitted on this board that I was right about Freddy Scappaticci?

    Did you not?

    Experience is everything in life and in particular about these matters.

    Whilst I have your attention. Is the subject of MI5 participation in Republican policing still sorted?

    Thank You

    Ding Ding

    Martin.

    PS. In respect to Republicansm? Sinn Fein are no longer Republicans mate? they are constitutional Nationalists.

    The difference between me and you Chris is I dealt with Real Republicans during the troubles and before you left school.

    You are still at University are you not?

    I hope your continued education goes well. You are in need of it.LOL

  • What you cannot doubt is I do get results

    Of course I can, your a spook for heavens sake. What’s more you are a spook who craves the limelight. You don’t care if one of your crackpot ideas is bogus, so long as you get your media fix.

    You admitted on this board that I was right about Freddy Scappaticci?

    I did not

    Whilst I have your attention. Is the subject of MI5 participation in Republican policing still sorted?

    Nothing has changed from the last time you asked.

    The difference between me and you Chris is I dealt with Real Republicans during the troubles and before you left school.

    No the differnce is that I am an Irish Republican who is honest and who has integrity. You are a British spook and you are a media whore.

    You are still at University are you not?

    I am not

  • ingram

    Chris,

    Thanks for those kind words.

    In relation Freddy Scap. You did say you believed him to be an Agent did you not on this board?

    Please be clear on this reply.

    In relation to University, I take you have just left or have been asked to leave then fairly recently?. You were involved in the QUB Sinn Fein branch were you not?

    No matter I wish you the best.

    You seem to have missed this bit from the last post.

    Whilst I have your attention. Is the subject of MI5 participation in Republican policing still sorted?

    Update please.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • ingram

    Chris,

    Ignore my last about MI5? I missed you piece above.

    No Change. MI5 sorted?

    Thanks Mate

    Martin

  • You did say you believed him to be an Agent did you not on this board?

    I did

    I take you have just left or have been asked to leave then fairly recently?

    I graduated in July

    You were involved in the QUB Sinn Fein branch were you not?

    I was

    No Change. MI5 sorted?

    Yes, that is what I have been told.

  • Sammy Morse

    And Co written a best selling book

    I think we can now settle the question of Martin Ingram’s authenticity. He was obviously in the SAS.

    PS – I think you meant “had ghost written a best selling book”.

  • gerry

    Some body ought to shut this thread down, its way off topic and totally boring.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram

    ‘resident expert’ was in quotation marks simply to highlight why you think you are relevant.

    Now in reality (even if you are to be believed) you were a minor figure 20 years ago. Time passes and despite your meagre efforts your 15 minutes has long since gone. You now claim to have uncovered the Eksund arms shipment, dear oh dear oh dear. Is there no end to your lies and fantasies

    Removing the quotation marks simply makes you the resident troll.

  • Secur O’Crat

    Gerry McGough may be a conseratvie Catholic but so are many of the opeople who voted Sinn Fein and who were the backbone of the IRA. Gery and Martin still run along to Mass.
    Thge Irish are essentially conservative and a FF/FG aliance would put paid to opportunist niche parties like SFIRA forever. Most Irish people would say good riddance.

  • Henry94

    The idea that there is any significent number of conservative Catholics ready to turn on the agreement is absolute rubbish.

    If some dissidents are conservatives it certainly doesn’t mean that anything other than a tiny minority of conservatives are dissidents.