McGuinness doesn’t wait for Tuesday

In an interesting move, Sinn Féin’s Martin McGuinness hasn’t followed the advice of his party leader to “let the dust settle”, and instead has issued a statement, quoting the hyperbolic Secretary of State’s early “seismic” response to the last ard chomairle meeting, claiming that “It is obvious that Ian Paisley has not agreed with the assessment of the DUP’s position set out by British Prime Minister Tony Blair yesterday.” [Did Peter Hain clarify that proposal? – Ed] Adds BBC report notes DUP deputy leader Peter Robinson’s responseFrom the BBC report

In a statement DUP deputy leader Peter Robinson said that it was Sinn Fein who had to “face up to delivering on policing”.

He said that the Northern Ireland Office had “acknowledged their satisfaction” with Mr Paisley’s “very full statement” in response to the PM’s assessment.

“Clearly Sinn Fein is experiencing severe difficulties on the necessity to give full support to the police, the courts and the rule of law,” he said.

“We are not in the business of making their task any more difficult but in reality they themselves must face up to delivering on the policing issue.”

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  • Yokel

    In that case he’s asking the NIO, Tony & Hain to totally reverse their own publically stated view from yesterday.

    The striking thing about yesterday as I mentioned on another thread was that Tony, seem really exasperated that he had been called out to make a statement and it was actually a very clear piece of speaking. Issues of proving commitment to policing were prominent. In short he wasn’t giving comfort to SF any more than Paisley. That must really bug the SF leadership.

    The question is will Tony’s nerve break under SF pressure? History suggests it would but maybe, just maybe this time its different.

  • John McIlveen

    Plain and simple folks. DUP haven’t committed to St Andrew’s timeframe because of the split within and SF can’t move forward without it. Sin e!

    Thought Dodd’s was pitiful on UTV Live there.

  • Observer

    Sinn Fein should face up to realities and democracy and support the Police Service of Northern Ireland – no ifs, no buts.

  • parcifal

    I would suggest the word “interesting” to be a useless epithet, particularly in this context; and would counsel against the use of it.

  • Greenflag

    When faced withn telling Unionists to ****##@* off or kowtowing to the Unionist faction HMG has always kowtowed . It has always been the lesser of two evils from a purely British perspective. The fact that HMG has in recent years kowtowed somewhat more to the Nationalists and Republicans is just a reflection of the changed economic and political circumstances brought about by the Republic’s growing economy etc etc.

    Nonetheless the ‘whitewashed ‘ crow soon shows black again . Irish Republicans and Nationalists should never lose sight of ‘perfidious ‘ Albion’s very long record in Ireland of promoting the interest of the minority of people loyal to Britain and HMG than that of the vast majority.

    Yokel,

    Tony Blair has tried more than any other British Prime Minister since the ‘troubles’ began to find a solution to the NI political impasse. The best thing he can do for Ireland (all of it) and for Britain is to put an end to the Stormont farce once and for all.

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    Hi all,

    Well, I’m glad to see someone in the leadership of sinn fein has some gumption—Mcguiness assessment is correct —the dup don’t want to share power—-it is good to see someone finally admiting that truth. There is some hope after all for sinn fein—-as for adams…next tuesday if sinn fein was smart….they would dump adams…it is the only way forward to bring confidence back into sinn fein.

  • parcifal

    Observer,
    SF cannot put themselves into a situation where they become hostage to the DUP’s fears surrounding the dubious use of the words “full support or delivery”.. and any subjective tests.

    If that is removed from the equation SF can go forward in confidence that they won’t be held to ransom by DUP vetoes.
    SF desire a new beginning to policing and the tranfer of powers ensures accountability mechanisms; if the DUP are allowed to hold back chips to be used later, when SF are “all in” then its a sure sign political policing is what SF have signed up to.
    Both sides have to take the plunge together.

    Power sharing and support for policing are both new beginnings, and ironically simultaneously are an end to a long process.

  • ingram

    Yokel.

    Blair only has a certain amount of wiggle room and next to NO time left in office to exploit that opportunity.I think both of us are clear the real story here is hidden behind the scenes in Connolly House. The onus is not on Blair but on the the two parties to fully comitt to this process.The DUP can afford to sit back and wait for Sinn Fein to either hold the AF or not.The ball is firmly in Sinn Fein`s court and only when the AF backs the Adams motion does it get returned to the DUP court.

    I said to Miss Fitz a few days ago that a nod and wink would not work in relation to administering the British criminal justice system. Sinn Fein will not just be able to stand STILL Behind a AC motion or indeed an AF decision.

    Talk is cheap. The DUP are going to keep the pressure upon Republicans to deliver REAL changes, that means no lip service to the criminal justice system. It means helping the police in a meaningful way ON THE GROUND to administer Justice.That means on the streets of Belfast and the rolling hills of South Armagh.That” help” is not for a few days or weeks or indeed months BUT for the forseeable future.

    Sinn Fein cannot argue that it does not hold any influence over Republicans because they are currently negotiating for the IRA OTR`s. This process is not a tap that can be switched on and off.

    For some Sinn Fein MLAs that is we are told a complete shock to them? never mind the OTR`s who it appears have been fed a bigger line than Chris Gaskin or the MLA`s.

    Only God and the Intelligence services know what has been said by Gerry and Martin to keep the naive on board for this long BUT it appeares to be an uphill struggle from this point forward to stop the implosion I predicted two years ago.

    Understanding Sinn Fein is not rocket science , they are predictable and have survived for so long on the back of ” Trust Us” we know what we are doing.They most certainly do.

    Nobody should or indeed can be surprised. Both Martin and Gerry have a history of lying to their membership.

    Let us not forget Sinn Fein rule No1. The leadership is always right and knows best.That arrogance is the result of twenty three years of a dictatorship without any new blood or ideas entering into the Sinn Fein strategic planning.

    Once this process goes tits up or they implode! it may be a time for change or at least a realistic challenge to pinky and perky the best protected leadership in the land.

    Ding Ding.

    Martin

  • parcifal

    Dearest martin,
    I thought your first 1/3 was on the ball, then when you got to Chris Gaskin, slippages took your post into a nose-dive and re-hashings.

    SF are done with “testing periods” and all that humiliating crap from the holier-than-thou DUP.

  • Col_

    “It means helping the police in a meaningful way ON THE GROUND to administer Justice. That means on the streets of Belfast and the rolling hills of South Armagh.That” help” is not for a few days or weeks or indeed months BUT for the forseeable future.”

    But what does that actually mean? Join SF/Police patrols? wth?

    Has anybody actually said what SF is expected to do to actively support PSNI? Just out of interest, like.

  • miss fitz

    Martin
    I see you are intent on dragging me back into this.

    Supporting policing means the whole 9 yards. Joining the District Policing Partnerships, join the Policing Board, no interference with recruits from Republican areas, and no further interference with Catholic officers. It also means co-operating in a normal fashion with police in the manner it is done in any other society.

    It doesnt mean you have to like them, but it does mean you resepct their mandate to uphold the rule of law.

  • ingram

    Parcifal.

    The reason I brought Chris into the post was because he made a bold claim on this board on more than two occassions that he had been assured MI5 involvment had been sorted by well conected Sinn Fein officials.

    It clearly has not.

    Col.

    Well Sir, what it means in reality is members of the public who see a crime being committed or have knowledge of same will be obliged to report that knowledge to the police.Any Police informer in the community exposed will not be expected to close a nice quite countryroad in South Armagh for three days. It sort of impacts badly against the tourism industry having dead bodies with twenty pound notes stuffed in their mouth littering the rolling hills of South Armagh.

    It will mean those in our communities who have such knowledge especially those who are in a position of responsibility will be open and honest in their dealings with the police.That will help clear up the many hundreds of past crimes that the PSNI are unable to solve.

    It also means they( Republicans) give honest and accurate testimony when called to any inquiry called, whether that inquiry that be North and South.That is to demonstrate the belief that cross border bodies can work.

    Any Catholic or Loyalist who joins or wants to join any aspect of the either Sates security agencies should be free to do so FREE from harrassment.

    Miss Fitz.

    Just simply making a point that this issue was raised in a thread started by either you or sheila.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • Well Sir, what it means in reality is members of the public who see a crime being committed or have knowledge of same will be obliged to report that knowledge to the police.Any Police informer in the community exposed will not be expected to close a nice quite countryroad in South Armagh for three days. It sort of impacts badly against the tourism industry having dead bodies with twenty pound notes stuffed in their mouth littering the rolling hills of South Armagh.

    It will mean those in our communities who have such knowledge especially those who are in a position of responsibility will be open and honest in their dealings with the police.That will help clear up the many hundreds of past crimes that the PSNI are unable to solve.

    Martin, does this happen in Loyalist area’s??

    Are Police informers in Loyalist area’s free to go about their buisness?

    Do people in Loyalist area’s actively co-operate with the police?

    If you thesis is to be believed then there are no unsolved crimes in Loyalist area’s because they are law abiding and co-operate with the police at every turn.

    Sinn Fein can pass the motion and urge all their members and the wider Republican community to co-operate with the police, but in the end it is for each individual to make the decision whether to help or hinder police.

    Are you expecting Sinn Fein members to frogmarch people to police stations and demand they co-operate, I don’t think so.

    It was agreed at StAndrews that once Sinn Fein hold their AF and get backing, then the DUP would share power.

    Now the DUP are saying once the AF agrees then a cooling off period, say another decade?

    Call the AF, get backing, over to the DUP.

  • Henry94

    AH

    Absolutely right. Passing a motion at the Ard Fheis does not create trust in the police. It gives them an opportunity to earn it. And if we still have British direct rule then their PSNI won’t get the time of day from republicans.

    If the DUP think they are going to get to sit in judgement on the nationalist community they have another think coming. If the British endorse such a nonsense then I would say all bets are off and the dissidents are right.

  • If the British endorse such a nonsense then I would say all bets are off and the dissidents are right.

    But before, there must be an AF and the positive outcome will give Republicans the highground for what happens next, deal or Plan B, IMHO

  • heck

    Ingram “Well Sir, what it means in reality is members of the public who see a crime being committed or have knowledge of same will be obliged to report that knowledge to the police.Any Police informer in the community exposed will not be expected to close a nice quite countryroad in South Armagh for three days. It sort of impacts badly against the tourism industry having dead bodies with twenty pound notes stuffed in their mouth littering the rolling hills of South Armagh.
    It will mean those in our communities who have such knowledge especially those who are in a position of responsibility will be open and honest in their dealings with the police.That will help clear up the many hundreds of past crimes that the PSNI are unable to solve.
    It also means they( Republicans) give honest and accurate testimony when called to any inquiry called, whether that inquiry that be North and South.That is to demonstrate the belief that cross border bodies can work.”
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    No it means members of the SECURUTY SERVICES who see a crime being committed or have knowledge of same will be obliged to report that knowledge”.
    It will mean those in SECURITY SERVICES who have such knowledge especially those who are in a position of responsibility will be open and honest .That will help clear up the many hundreds of past crimes that the PSNI are UNWILLING to solve.
    It also means they( SECURITY SERVICES) give honest and accurate testimony when called to any inquiry called, whether that inquiry that be North and South. That is to demonstrate the belief that cross border bodies can work

    Your buddies should go first and stop all this crap about “the rule of law”

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    hi all,

    Ingram (aka mi6 or is it mi5) thought it was rather interesting that you stated your pm doesn’t have the power in all of this…but that it is in the hands of sinn fein and the dup… Then you added that the leadership of sinn fein—know what they are doing? Strange that an ex-intelligence officer for the queens service (you are ‘ex’ aren’t you?) would give such a high end endorsement of the political skills of adams and mcguiness. If you really knew anything…you would know that adams really isn’t all that bright— ding ding

  • ingram

    Art Hostage.

    quote” Martin, does this happen in Loyalist area’s??

    In all honesty not to the level You and I would like.

    That said the Loyalist community do report crimes to the police and give positive help to identify rapist and the likes. That does not happen in Republican areas all that often if at all.

    quote”Are Police informers in Loyalist area’s free to go about their buisness?

    To answer this point you first need to understand the difference between touting in a Republican area and a Loyalist area.

    Many ( 70/80%) of the leading Loyalists work either formally or informally to the SB. It is almost a badge of honour.The average person on the Sandy Row would offer a much greater level assistance to the police than those from the Murph.

    That said , Loyalist view the police has their police force. Hopefully Republicans will soon be of the same opinion.

    In relation to the level of co operation from within both the community and the leadership. The best way of testing that is for the IMC to report upon the growth from next to nothing to a reasonable and tangible level.

    That is why I believed the IMC would be on Republicans “christmas” wish list.

    What wont be allowed is lip service.

    I believe your understanding of the St Andrews agreement is flawed? could you source the bit that you claim represents a firm date for the devolution of powers to Stormont?

    The DUP I understand did not agree to a firm date, merely a target date dependant upon the conditions upon the realities on the ground.

    Those realities would include the level of Republican co operation with the Police . I believe the DUP would consider the IMC to be a relaible barometer to the acceptance or otherwise of Republicans to the British criminal justice system.

    It is only once stability has returned to the North that the real work towards creating the environment and atmosphere where a united Ireland can be achieved.

    Ding Ding.

    Martin

  • ingram

    Heck,

    lets deal with the reality. Neither you nor me are going to change the way the security services work.

    The reality is they are way beyond the terms of this agreement.

    Deal or No Deal.

    Kathy C.

    quote”If you really knew anything…you would know that adams really isn’t all that bright— ding ding

    I don`t share your opinion of Mr Adams or indeed Martin. In my experience they are very bright and extremly devious and dangerous people.You do not stay at the top of a tree for decades without being capable, ask Dennis Donnaldson or Freddy Scappaticci. Both are/were very clever men in different ways.

    Now if you were to allege that the average Republican follower or voter or indeed American investor was not that bright I might just agree with you !.You are American are you not and a former Sinn Fein supporter?

    But that is another story.

    Ding Ding

    Martin.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Totally expected.

  • The DUP I understand did not agree to a firm date, merely a target date dependant upon the conditions upon the realities on the ground.

    Those realities would include the level of Republican co operation with the Police . I believe the DUP would consider the IMC to be a relaible barometer to the acceptance or otherwise of Republicans to the British criminal justice system.

    Martin, what would the timetable for this to happen look like?

    How long after the positive AF would be sufficiant?

    weeks, months, years??

  • Pete Baker

    Art H

    I’d suggest there’s a relevant post here

  • ingram

    Pat.

    I am pleased I did not dissapoint you.

    Would you mind answering the post you seem to be avoiding from yesterday! on OTR`s and Sinn Fein negotiating on their behalf. And the new system just for them.

    Thank You comrade

    Martin

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    Hi all,

    Ingram (mi6/mi5), ahhh another story? Are you prevy to the details or are you just blowing it out your ‘arse’ as they say? If you DID know what you were talking about…you would know the details to why I state with authority that adams is not the brightest bulb on the block….Maybe your clearance wasn’t as high up as you thought.

  • gerry

    I don’t think this is about the police, this is about a lack of trust between the two sides. the shinners are panicky incase they endorse policing and paisley shafts them and drags out the transfer of policing and justice powers, or refuses to share power within the time frame. the shinners are game on, they are ready to endorse the peelers, but this is their last card. no more cards to play after this. if they play this and get shafted they really will be wearing sack cloth and ashes.

  • ingram

    Kathy C,

    Ingram (mi6/mi5), ahhh another story? Are you prevy to the details or are you just blowing it out your ‘arse’ as they say? If you DID know what you were talking about…you would know the details to why I state with authority that adams is not the brightest bulb on the block….Maybe your clearance wasn’t as high up as you thought.

    Maybe that is so?

    Would you be so kind as to educate me, my fine American friend .

    over to you Kathy.

    Ding Ding

    Martin.

    Art Hostage.

    I suspect the DUP party is not in a hurry to set a definite date. They will perhaps argue for a period of time ( Until Blair leaves office) that the conditions on the ground do not support limitted devolution of powers.

    They will in my opinion want to extract some political collateral damage from Sinn Fein prior to agreeing a date.

    Best Guess 12 months at best although I do think they could survive a firm date ( Now) if the party leadership decided upon that course of action

    Martin
    .

  • ingram

    Gerry,

    Quote” don’t think this is about the police, this is about a lack of trust between the two sides. the shinners are panicky incase they endorse policing and paisley shafts them and drags out the transfer of policing and justice powers, or refuses to share power within the time frame. the shinners are game on, they are ready to endorse the peelers, but this is their last card. no more cards to play after this. if they play this and get shafted they really will be wearing sack cloth and ashes.

    Agreed.

    Martin

  • parcifal

    martin
    It is only once stability has returned to the North that the real work towards creating the environment and atmosphere where a united Ireland can be achieved
    well I’m glad you finally agree with what I’ve been saying here for months, and put away your notions that SF is a partionist party.

    peteb,
    It seems I’m not the only one object to the headmasters rap on the knuckles you gave me on the other thread.
    Care to comment on Henry94’s:

    If the DUP think they are going to get to sit in judgement on the nationalist community they have another think coming. If the British endorse such a nonsense then I would say all bets are off and the dissidents are right

    The more I view this testing period the more it horrifies me, not because I don’t want SF and the communities to have a police service; but because there are so mnay questions about how one would go about testing it.
    ie what’s the criteria? the accountability?
    Is there an appeals procedure?
    who makes the final judgement?
    What the DUP?
    Our opponents decide if we’re good enough?
    Sorry this is bollocks.
    Does one stone landing on a police van, constitute a breach and a further delay of powers for say another year?
    Do you see where I’m going with this?

    Walk away SF walk well away!

  • GUILLUAME

    Getting back to the subject and lets face it the subject hasn’t changed since the the headline.There are a few simple conculsions.That sinn fein did purposedly burn the uup and that the dup are trying to do the same thing to sinn fein.Can we persume that this means tha the dup are going to have to deal with the sdlp on a majority basis.God help robinson and sour faced dodds

  • Kathy_C

    posted by Kathy C

    Hi all,

    Ingram, if your bosses didn’t feel you were worthy of the information…why should you know now?

    Guilluame, as it stands now-sinn fein will not be the majority republican/nationalist party in the next election. But the real interest is…if there are some in sinn fein starting to realize this and will do politically what has to be done to stop the hemorage. What sinn fein has to do politically for a start-is to get rid of adams if adams insists of continuing the way he is going.

  • Pete Baker

    parci

    If you disagree with something I’ve said on a different thread, then argue it on that different thread.

    In regard to the unenforceability of a deadline in this case.. it’s not a case of saying it’s right or wrong. It’s just a political reality.

  • parcifal

    Kathy_C, Adams going…thats not even on the cards, you’re wasting electronic cyberspace luv.

  • ingram

    Parcifal.

    Ingram Quote.It is only once stability has returned to the North that the real work towards creating the environment and atmosphere where a united Ireland can be achieved

    That comment was premised by an acknowlegement that we would be in a new period where both Sinn Fein and the SDLP were accepted as both advocating policies towards re unification based upon consent and the acceptance of the Northern state to exist.

    The SDLP and Sinn Fein would BOTH be Partitionist parties prepared to work within the Britsh structures BUT working towards a successful border poll.

    Nothing wrong in that BUT in regards to Sinn Fein you cannot argue that they remain a Republican party based upon the 1916 principles.

    It just aint so.

    Martin

  • ingram

    Kathy C.

    quote Kath C.if your bosses didn’t feel you were worthy of the information…why should you know now?

    LOL.The two words ball and ollocks come readily to mind Luv.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • Doreen

    What is everyone getting so excited about? Who wants yet another useless Assembly? Think what will happen next week: Members will “debate” what they are all agred upon !!!!!!! Big wow !!!!!!

    What exactly did Members of the last – well the one before the transitional and the Hain Assemblies (both so ridiculously named and forget any semblance of democracy) – Assembly do that was so wonderful for us? Like Matron it was just another level of beauracracy, and extra cost to us all as taxpayers at that.

    Does anyone think that it was present Ministers who introduced extra water charges and the Durkan tax?

    Let it go and save us all some money.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathy C

    hi all,

    parcifal, adams will not leave on his own…he will have to be told-there’s the door. But you see, in politics and it was politics that adams wanted…it’s all about power and who can get it and who can keep it…and adams is loosing support fast—-and at what point in time to survive politically others will look at adams and show him the door.

    Ingram, one word comes to my mind….light…and you seem to have been left in the dark

  • The Pedant

    “The two words ball and ollocks come readily to mind Luv.

    “Ding Ding”

    Surely “ball” and “ocks”.

    Dung Dung

  • ingram

    Pendant.

    Yep, sorry the heat of battle with my American friend was all consuming.

    Mr Mushroom.

    Ding Ding

  • Martin, less of the luv to Kathy C, otherwise people may think you are a patronising Mysoganist.

    Yesterday, the Congress, Nancy Pelosi, Tomorrow, the White House, Hilary Clinton!!

  • parcifal

    Art Hostage
    you forgot Mary Lou MacDonald next SF president 😉

  • #

    Art Hostage
    you forgot Mary Lou MacDonald next SF president 😉
    Posted by parcifal on Jan 05, 2007 @ 10:30 PM

    Is this breaking news or wishful thinking?

  • ingram

    Parcifal.

    Want a small bet on Adams?

    Ding Ding

    Martin

    PS patronising Mysoganist. ooooM perhaps

  • Yokel

    After a few pints in the pub….

    The most significant aspect of this in reality is that Tony’s statement gave nothing, absolutely no bloody comfort to Sinn Fein. In fact if anything it was couched in harder and clearer terms than anything I’ve heard from him. In short whilst the local parties play their apparent hardball he’s just hit the hardest shot.

    Whilst SF will try the bash Paisley technique unless something happens in the background, Tony has perhaps run out of patience (and as Ingram suggested, time). I believe what has really made things difficult for Sinn Fein is that up to now they have had no substantive sweeteners or concessions in the background negotiations with London. Tony’s statement yesterday suggests the British are maybe going to let them float. Tony hasn’t said anything since, nothing.

    I believe that they are pretty upset by the British Government, more than by anything Paisley says. They’ve picked up the hotline expecting something and been told to sort it out for themselves.

    Whatever the outcome of the blame game locally, it may well be that the UK Government has drawn its line for a period and that line is under Sinn Fein. The much vaunted Plan B will not really amount to anything and SF will get no further on.

    This is speculation but a post at the beginning of this thread suggesting that the British ultimately know what side their bread is buttered on may well be correct.

  • Pete Baker

    Yokel

    Perhaps the more obvious reality is that what is being asked for is undeliverable

  • Jocky

    Parcifal, re your 9.16pm post, the problem for SF is, if as you say “walk away, walk well away” if they do that now then it’s game over, everyone except SF supporters (DUP, Brits, Irish, US) will blame them for the failure, all credibility will be lost, the last 8 years will have been for nowt.

    They have to call the DUP bluff (if it is one) and if in a years time there is no movement from the DUP then fair enough walk away but until they call that bluff and walk away credibility intact otherwise they are on a hiding to nothing.

    As many people have said before, where did SF supportes think this has been heading since 1998? you cant agree to a dance, then refuse the invitation cause you think your partner is going to walk out on you half way through.

  • Pól

    Of coarse it involves trust. But the holly than now DUP think trust is one sided. There must be trust on all sides. I don’t trust the DUP or the PSNI. So should I set a cleansing period for them, or maybe I’m just making excuses for not sharing power.

  • Yokel

    Pete Baker

    Very possibly. I get the impression that in the backroom negotiations the British government has been asked to impose in a way that totally defeats the point of devolution and theyve ultimately said no to this and a number of other issues.

    More siginificantly, if this DUP idea of the cross community vote is accepted as the mechanism by the British government, what I’m guessing will happen is as follows and it doesn’t look good for Sinn Fein:

    May 2008: DUP say yes to devolution of justice powers under the cross community vote basis but say there’s no way they think Sinn Fein are ready to take any such post.

    Two ‘middle candidates’ are put forward for Justice & Deputy Justice posts, say one UUP & SDLP. They get plenty of votes but due to Sinn Fein’s still possibly (probably) holding more than 50% of the nationalist bloc, they get voted down.

    DUP & Sinn Fein go through the usual nomination of their own, get less votes than the two middle candidattes, veto each other. No chance of them ever getting voted in.

    Government, if forced to impose, chooses easy option and imposes the two middle candidates because every party, other than Sinn Fein said yes and they got the gtreatest number of votes in the Assembly. Thus they are closest to consensus.

    Sinn Fein not happy, no chance of Justice post but also seen as the ones most unwilling to compromise by voting down the ‘middle’ candidates. DUP appear happy to accept ‘middle’ candidates though they moan about impsoition, they get what they want anyway.

    If government refuses to impose the Assembly will stay but Justice powers will stay out for a bit longer.

    And so it goes on and on and on with Sinn Fein no chance of the post.

    This cross community vote idea may well be the DUP’s ace. It appears a compromise that sacrifices their chance of getting the post for them as well as Sinn Fein.

    Sinn Fein’s idea? Stick someone in we like, otherwise forget it.

    There are still a couple of days to go here and I expect the DUP to come undre pressure to sound more positive at least though there’s no chance of the timetable commitments that Sinn Fein want. I expect warmer DUP words but firmly sticking within the St Andrews Agreeement which pins little on them.

    It’s a toss up for me at this time whether Sinn Fein are going to deliberately move to collpase things now, avoid a split and come back to it later or whether they’ll push on. What I see is that Sinn Fein are trying to prep the ground for collapse. Whether they will though, I’m not sure.

  • fair_deal

    So the party leader said they would wait until Tuesday. Another senior party member can’t a day. Hmmmm. If this had happened in the DUP in the past six weeks Chris would have had a thread saying the DUP was split.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram;

    ‘I am pleased I did not dissapoint you.’

    you self obsessed fool I was commenting on the Mc Guinness statement.