Sinn Fein’s drafted motion to be robust…

Although we’ve not had sight of the precise wording, Slugger understands that the motion hammered out at yesterday’s marathon meeting provides for acceptance of policing in Northern Ireland in full measure. Indeed, any half measures or perceived wriggle room at this stage are likely to be seen as a willful return to the stasis of two years ago, and indicative of poor leadership.

  • Jane Smith

    Whats the difference bewteen the provos and Tescos? Answer: The provos sell absolutely everthing.

  • gerry

    even stuff that doesn’t belong to them.

  • fair_deal

    “for acceptance of policing in Northern Ireland in full measure.”

    Good

  • ingram

    Mick.

    quote” Slugger understands that the motion hammered out at yesterday’s marathon meeting provides for acceptance of policing in Northern Ireland in full measure

    Slugger may understand the substance of the matters in hand, others in contrast on this board do not understand the significance of the acceptance of the “full measure”

    This really does open Pandoras box.

    Interesting days ahead.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • The Devil

    Sinn Fix should cut out the crap and just give us the result of the vote now before the debate, do they really believe that we think there is going to be something honest straight or fair about the proposed “Historic discussion”

    “If the numbers were not already known or created the meeting would not be taking place”

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘Sinn Fix should cut out the crap and just give us the result of the vote now before the debate, do they really believe that we think there is going to be something honest straight or fair about the proposed “Historic discussion”’

    ‘Sinn Fix’ hope you didn’t strain yourself with that hopelessly innane play on words. Clearly there are those with no input in this debate only pitifully poor attempts at humour. BTW Ingram has already cornered that particular market.

  • ingram

    Pat.

    Put your honest hat on for once?

    Do you honestly think Adams would call the Ard Fheish if he was not certain he would win the vote?

    In relation to The Devils point. Pat could you tell us when was the last time Adams was beaten at a vote at the Ard Fheish?

    In clear terms the last time an Adams sponsored motion was defeated at this renowned democratic insitution?

    Thanks Mate.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • joeCanuck

    Remember folks.
    Don’t feed the resident troll.

  • Henry94

    Do you honestly think Adams would call the Ard Fheish if he was not certain he would win the vote?

    It’s not so long ago that we were told of massive grassroots dissatisfaction but now when it comes to the crunch it is said to be a formality. Yet another example of opponents doing two things. Wanting it both ways and focusing on the personality of the President of Sinn Fein rather than the issue.

  • ingram

    Henry94 and Jooooeeey.

    Thanks for your contribution.

    Henry has you know I predicted this course of action and that the Ard Fheish would support this call from a very long time ago. No after timing from this quarter.

    Maybe either Henry or Joooeey Could enlighten the board and help Pat who appears otherwise engaged In relation to The Devils point.

    Question posed to Pat? could you tell us when was the last time Adams was beaten at a vote at the Ard Fheish?

    In clear terms the last time an Adams sponsored motion was defeated at this renowned democratic insitution?

    Thanks Lad your help as always is appreciated.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Henry.

    Ingram’s stance on issues changes from thread to thread. You are right when it suits there is massive dissension, walk-outs etc. Next day everything is sowed up and people are robots etc etc. It only goes to show that most people have no idea what is going on within SF.

    They are better off discussing if Adams dyes his hair and if he really wears an Armani suit. 20 years on and the relevancy of the likes of ingram has all but disappeared.

  • ingram

    Pat.

    Stop playing the man? you know Mick dislikes it and stay on thread. That is a good boy.

    Now back on thread.

    I repeat Pat.

    Do you honestly think Adams would call the Ard Fheish if he was not certain he would win the vote?

    In relation to The Devils point. Pat could you tell us when was the last time Adams was beaten at a vote at the Ard Fheish?

    In clear terms the last time an Adams sponsored motion was defeated at this renowned democratic insitution?

    Thanks Mate.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram,

    basic error on your part, Adams did not call an AF, the AC did. At least read the details before you even attempt to comment.

    The ‘Devil’ made no such point. He is trolling that the vote of the AF is in the possession of someone within SF, that frankly is a lie.

  • ingram

    Pat,

    Not a basic error mate but twenty odd years experience of knowing how both Sinn Fein and Adams works mate from a lot closer than you.

    For you to suggest otherwise is as naive as you were when you denied Freddy Scappaticci was a British Agent.

    It maybe you are not able to answer the point made by The Devil and myself. No worries mate, you are hardly an important cog in the Sinn Fein wheels and appear to be unsure on many points when raised on this board. I will consult with one or two of my contacts.

    Thank You Patsy.

    Ding Ding.

    Martin

  • Betty Boo

    All you wanted to know about Ding Ding but never asked: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ding+ding

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram,

    you are simply wrong, Adams does not have the power to call an AF it is as simple as that, if you are uncomfortable with that basic fact then don’t publicly say otherwise, I will simply embarrass you when need be.
    The assertion by ‘Devil’ and you that the vote of the AF has already been taken and is in the possession of someone within SF is simply a lie and smacks of propaganda and smear and is not a serious point.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Betty Boo,

    never would have guessed Ingram was such an expert on w****ing. That really does merit an LOL.

  • Henry94

    As far as I remember Gerry Adams was on the losing side in the abstention debate in 1985. He didn’t walk out in a huff either. He stayed and argued and won the next year.

  • ingram

    Betty Boo.

    In this context it means:

    The bell of a lttle Red London Bus. The Bus is parked up in Stormont a part of the UK and Sinn Fein and Gerry Adams are about to board it enroute for a long tour of the British criminal Justice system.

    Ding Ding.

    Patsy.

    Like I said mate you clearly do not understand how Sinn Fein and Mr Adams works. Could you please stop playing the man and deal with this issue at hand, after all you have been Red Carded previously for this type of distraction. You have previous mate for avoiding the issue and playing the man, unlike me.I would hate you to get banned again, after all what a fool you looked when you denied Freddy Scappaticci was a British Agent.

    Shall we try again Patsy?

    When was the last time a Adams sponsored motion was defeated at a Ard Fheish?

    0/5 years

    5/10 years

    10/15 years

    15 years or more?

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • ingram

    Henry 94.

    I would agree. Adams was appointed president in 83.

    It is 21 years since Adams was defeated at an Ard Fheish?

    I would think most objective observers would conclude from Adams record that he is “unlikely” to lose this vote and with the recent removal of certain individuals from the voting process he is even more likely to succeed in his desire to have Sinn Fein come in from the cold.

    I wont bother asking when was the last time Adams stood for party re election? I suppose about the same time Saddam Hussein did and we all know he had a good day today dont we.

    Ding Ding

    Happy New Year to All.

    Martin

  • The bell of a lttle Red London Bus. The Bus is parked up in Stormont a part of the UK and Sinn Fein and Gerry Adams are about to board it enroute for a long tour of the British criminal Justice system.

    Agreed Ingram,
    the first lesson of the British Criminal Justice system is contained in the first line of the Police caution:

    “You have the right to remain silent”

  • could you tell us when was the last time Adams was beaten at a vote at the Ard Fheish?< ?em>

    What are you on about!

    When was the last time that Gerry had a motion in at an Ard Fheis?

    Individuals don’t put in motions at an Ard Fheis.

    However the Ard Chomhairle have been beaten on many occassions at an Ard Fheis.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ding ding Ingram lol, I knew you were a bit of a tosser but to hold your hand up to it, so to speak, was enlightening lol.

    As for Scap I have previously stated when I know all the facts I will make a judgement call, forgive me if I don’t simply rely on the word of a ding dinger.

    Now the point you seem to have recognised is that Adams has not the power to call an AF, if you had simply recognised the fact earlier all this nonsense from you could have been avoided. You made a wrong call, let it go.

    You also seem to have dropped the nonsense that the AF vote has already been taken.

    I realise that to appear relevant you try and appear confrontational and controversial. But when you do it on the basis of lies you simply make yourself appear contempible.

    Now, having cleared up your inaccuracies, if you have any facts you want to debate let me know, I am only too willing to oblige.

  • ingram

    Art Hostage.

    That was very true mate in the olden days and when I was arrested I made use of that provision to remain silent.

    ONLY

    To bring you upto date! As they did with me , they can caution you that failure to answer a question can be informed to a jury or judge and a unfavourable inference can be drawn from your failure to answer the question put.

    Answer= smile and sit in the corner of a room in a restful prone position.

    Ding Ding.

    Martin

  • heck

    chris/Pat

    Ingram is a royal pain in the ass but he seems to have been right on this one. Just ignore him and don’t encourage his gloating.

    I hope you guys fight this acceptance of the PSNI/UVF at the Ard Fheis. It’s not that people like me are against the concept of policing it is the implementation of policing thought the current police/courts/prosecution service that shows to me that what the Ard Chomhairle is accepting is the rule of britain not the rule of law.

    Do demonstrate that Britain accepts “the rule of law” there must be exposure of the collusion activities of the state.

  • he seems to have been right on this one

    He isn’t Heck, he doesn’t even understand the basic structures of Sinn Féin.

  • ingram

    Patsy.

    Sinn Fein is not a normal political party . You know it and the Slugger readers know it.If you cannot debate honestly then Mick should ban you again. Silly boy

    Adams rules the roost in the IRA and Sinn Fein. You can have twenty Ard Fheish`s and you will only have one result and you know it.The next thing you will be saying his Gerry is not in the IRA?

    Like I said Pat dont get yourself banned calling people wankers because it merely weakens your already dubious argument.

    Chris.

    Tell me when you were assured MI5 involvement in policing was sorted? did you go back to that source yet and seek clarification.

    A number of posters have asked you this point but you have been missing mate from the board. Perhaps you would be good enough to post your current anlysis of Sinn Feins position regarding MI5 involvement in Policing Republicans in Ireland.

    You have no need to re-confirm your own position within Sinn Fein if MI5 retain involvement in Republican policing because that has been made crystal clear many times before.

    Ding Ding.

    Martin

  • Dalek

    At this time of year there are various awards for “best of……” etc

    Can I award Betty Boo the following:

    Funniest interjection by way of a link on a thread on any blog anywhere….

    ding ding

    I wonder who exactly is MI competing with in his Ding Ding Competition?

  • Republican policing

    You keep using this phrase, why?

    No one has mentioned “Republican policing”

  • To bring you upto date! As they did with me , they can caution you that failure to answer a question can be informed to a jury or judge and a unfavourable inference can be drawn from your failure to answer the question put.

    Answer= smile and sit in the corner of a room in a restful prone position.

    No, no , no, the solicitor first explains for the benefit of the tape, “I have advised my client to make no comment”

    Then to every question, the suspect replies,

    “I really want to answer, but my solicitor has forbid me to, it is his advice”

    When in doubt, blame the brief, that is what he is paid for !!

    The end result is the jury blames the solicitor, not the defendent at trial.

  • ingram

    Heck,

    Heck quote”Ingram is a royal pain in the ass but he seems to have been right on this one

    Thanks mate.Pretty obvious though.

    Chris is just a young pup who is easily fed a line, if he thinks Sinn Fein is a democratic party he should take a reality pill. I suppose he still thinks MI5`s role in policing Republicans is sorted also?

    We shall see when he gives us an update on the issue.

    Ding Ding.

    Martin

  • ingram

    Chris.

    Policing Republicans.

    as opposed to policing Loyalists?

    What is your current understanding of Sinn Fein`s position in line with motion 395 and other public statements by Sinn Fein about not accepting Mi5 involvement in Policing Republicans.

    Like you said the other night on this board you had been assured it had been sorted.

    Over to you mate.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • The end result is the jury blames the solicitor, not the defendent at trial.

    Not true

    All the case law shows that relying on the advice of a Solicitor will not stop negative infrences from being drawn.

    You can’t rely on the advice from your brief in that respect

    When the right to silence was reduced some years ago the caution was changed. That being said infrences can only be drawn with the leave of the court and when a Prima Facie case has been established.

  • Ingram

    What I said the other night has not changed

  • That being said infrences can only be drawn with the leave of the court and when a Prima Facie case has been established.
    Posted by Chris Gaskin on Dec 30, 2006 @ 06:46 PM

    Any QC worth their wages would use this and the bullying by the solicitor on the interview tape, forbiding the defendent to comment to stop any infrences.

    All a jury can infer from the interview tape would be the solicitor is a bully.

  • ingram

    Chris.

    Thanks for the update. So your current position is you have been assured that the content of motion 395 and other public statements made by Mr Adams and others in relation to MI5 Policing Republicans has been sorted .

    I will log that one away thank You.

    In relation to the arrest and interview.

    I would agree with you Chris that is why I said

    “inference CAN be drawn from your failure to answer the question”

    The operative word being CAN.

    In my position I was tempted to have a ding dong with the coppers who nicked me nearly five years ago on the back of a complaint from the MOD and their client Freddy Scappaticci.The English coppers did not know their arse from their elbow! a bit like Patsy on this board.

    The advice was to sit tight and say nowt. It took two years and a lot of money to win the case but win it I did.

    Ding Ding

    Good Night.

    Martin

  • Any QC worth their wages would use this and the bullying by the solicitor on the interview tape, forbiding the defendent to comment to stop any infrences.

    It doesn’t work that way AH, the law is very clear on this.

    You can not use your solicitors advice to remain quiet in order to avoid infrences.

    It’s that simple!

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Chris,

    I had to educate Ingram that Adams cannot call an AF, despite initial moaning he now accepts that fact and he was in fact wrong.
    You had to educate him that individuals cannot put motions forward at AF, again he seems to have accepted that despite initially throwing out challenges re Adams etc.

    It seems that his oft quoted inside knowledge does not even stretch to standing orders at an AF. Something you can find out simply by phoning a SF office.

  • Pat

    His attempts to appear relevent are growing more desperate by the day.

    Sad really

  • I still maintain that the only form of defense is to keep one’s mouth shut.

    If subsequently there is no other evidence than an inference of no comment, during interview, I cannot believe a jury would convict on this alone, could you?

    Are we to assume that in Loyalist area’s they sing like canaries to the PSNI ?

    Yes, political leaders can urge all the like for citizens to co-operate with the PSNI,these are just weasal words, but it is for the individual to weigh up whether it is in their interests to spill the beans.

    How does the Brit law compare to right to silence in the ROI ?

    In America, England, Wales, Scotland, political leaders all urge citizens to help the Police, the majority of people still would not give police the time of day.

  • ingram

    Pat.

    One more of your lies .Be careful you are on rocky ground you will be banned like last time for lying.

    quote PATSY”I had to educate Ingram that Adams cannot call an AF, despite initial moaning he now accepts that fact and he was in fact wrong

    please show the readers were I accepted Adams could not call a Ard Fheish?

    I made it very clear that Adams is a dictator and has been Sinn Fein party president since 1983 and has lost one motion in 1985.That is 21 years.Not a bad record. Now that he has got rid of a few dissenters he knows he has this vote in a bag.

    The average Sinn Fein member is recorded on this little clip: This is what your party have descended to: One big Joke

    When was Adams re elected lads into this democratic party? or is it a role for life? any idea? OR would you like me to tell you or PERHAPS can you figure this one out on your own.

    The bottom line lads( Chris and Pat) is both of you do not really understand the IRA and Sinn fein aftera all both of you still believe Gerry Adams was not in the IRA?

    Now, how sad and naive is that ? at least Chris Gaskin admits Freddy Scap was a tout Patsy cant even manage that. How sad is that.

    Ding Ding

    All aboard tickets ready! …..Not you Gaskin this is a MI5 bus ONLY Sinn Fein members only allowed. How sad is that.

    Ding Ding

    Martin.

    PS. Dont forget the video Wolf Tones Impartial Police Force. Its a Cracker

  • Henry94

    I fail to see how not facing a leadership challenge is undemocratic. The post can be contested if someone thinks they can do a better job. That is how Adams got the job in the first place.

    There is at a stretch a general point to be made about modern political parties and how media coverage of conference defeats makes debate more difficult. But it applies to every party if it applies to any.

    It is the press which elevate the role of party leader. Sinn Fein is the only party I can think of where the party leader does not take the senior position in government.

    Gerry Adams surrounds himself with strong personalities and it is their collective political wisdom that has guided this process we have.

    I can think of a party that are unlikely to long survive the departure of the leader. It’s not Sinn Fein.

  • ingram

    henry.

    Quote”I fail to see how not facing a leadership challenge is undemocratic. The post can be contested if someone thinks they can do a better job. That is how Adams got the job in the first place

    Not quite mate. A people died for Adams to take charge.It was not a bloodless coup.

    Quote”Gerry Adams surrounds himself with strong personalities and it is their collective political wisdom that has guided this process we have.

    Now I know you are having me on. Ok, I bit Henry well done you got me.

    quote”I can think of a party that are unlikely to long survive the departure of the leader. It’s not Sinn Fein.

    Well Henry who do you think is capable today of leading Sinn Fein? in the absence of Mr Adams?

    Martin

  • ingram

    henry94.

    One other thing.

    quote”I fail to see how not facing a leadership challenge is undemocratic.

    Could you tell me one other political party leader in THE WORLD that has not faced re selection or an election of the party post after 23 years( TWENTY THREE YEARS)

    can you name one?

    Martin.

    Cuba, North Korea, China are except.

  • Well Henry who do you think is capable today of leading Sinn Fein? in the absence of Mr Adams?

    Martin McGuinness has some leadership experience, what do you think Ingram?

    Personally, Connor Murphy would offer something for both North and South, what with his border qualities.

    Young looking Connor has the looks, and is gaining the political skill that could see him be a successful post-conflict Sinn Fein leader.

    Mary Lou would be better suited to a deputy role for now, her pulling power in the south is not enough to guide Sinn Fein nationaly.

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    I decline to name names in the hope that I can avoid being bored by your opinions on each of them but I can think of five or six I would be very happy with. However my hope is that the current leader servers for many a long year yet and that the next leader will be from a new generation.

  • Elvis Parker

    Pat McLernon:
    ‘It only goes to show that most people have no idea what is going on within SF.’
    Which goes to some how abnormal they are. Normal political parties have competing ideas and competing individuals (who are only to happy to brief the media)
    SF still operates under the shadow of the gunman
    But hey ho they are still losing

  • ingram

    Henry94.

    quote”I decline to name names in the hope that I can avoid being bored by your opinions on each of them but I can think of five or six I would be very happy with. However my hope is that the current leader servers for many a long year yet and that the next leader will be from a new generation

    Another Sinn Fein cop out. I dont want to debate the subject in case you catch me out. LOL

    How about the last one ? could you grapple with this easier question that was posed before but you ignored it.

    quote Henry94″I fail to see how not facing a leadership challenge is undemocratic.

    Ingram:Could you tell me one other political party leader in THE WORLD that has not faced re selection or an election of the party post after 23 years( TWENTY THREE YEARS)

    can you name one?

    Martin.

    Cuba, North Korea, China are except.

    Go on Henry stretch your mind old boy, the Horlicks can wait a wee minute more.

    Ding Ding

    Martin

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Ingram

    ‘One more of your lies .Be careful you are on rocky ground you will be banned like last time for lying.’

    Firstly you are in no position yto ban anyone from anything; secondly I was banned for getting into a zerosome argument with Tom Luby. So once again you are factually incorrect.

    Once again, you stated Adams called an Af, this he did not do. As evidence that he did you can off with your 20 yrs experience routine (thankfully you didn’t bring up poor old Hegarty).
    As I have already pointed out you were a minor figure 20 yrs ago. You have offered no evidence of having any knowledge of what is happening in the present day republican movement.
    Your nod and wink of ‘trust me I know’ plays well with a few anonymous trolls, as Chris has already pointed out others see it as simply sad.

  • ingram

    Pat.

    I never said I would ban you. I said you had been banned. That was correct.

    You wrote this :

    I had to educate Ingram that Adams cannot call an AF, despite initial moaning he now accepts that fact and he was in fact wrong.

    Now you know that what you wrote was a lie.

    Dont worry mate we have grown to accept your method of operating.

    Can`t wait for the Sunday papers I hear they make mince meat of Sinn Feins position.

    Ding Ding

    Martin.

    PS No sign of Henry!

  • parcifal

    martin ingram
    what do you think you’re playing at?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    parcifal,

    he is running on empty as the layers of nonsense he pours out is challenged at every turn. The one trick pony is exposed as a charlatan that even if we are being gracious was momentarily relevant 20 yrs ago.

    Notice his last post where he claims SF are to get it in the neck in Sunday’s papers. Wow all those supposed years in intelligence to tell us something that happens on a weekly basis.

    He will have the neck to come on tomorrow and try to claim ‘how he got it right’.

    Too much of the oul ding dinging with that boy has pushed him over the edge.

  • kensei

    “can you name one?”

    Ian Paisley is well over thirty. Even John Hume racked up 22. With a lack of democratic accountability here what the fuck do you expect?

    The driver for change is always gaining or retaining power. We don’t have any.

  • parcifal

    cheers Pat,
    as a trainee student nurse,( of sorts )
    my prognosis is to decide which buttock to put the dipixol injection into, the left or the right, with this guy.
    and Madradin’s been back-biting me that I’m the whacked out one, well I got nothing on this martin ingram, nothing at all.
    I mean I’ve been on many a drug-crazed binge, but the last few days viewing here is ethereal.
    Ingram what are you taking man?
    we can can you know, seriously mate !

    Mick will have to sort it out in the New Year.
    ta-ra

  • parcifal

    can help

  • The Third Policeman

    Ingram, now I’m no Shinner (don’t worry Pat and Chris, I’m on your side on all of this, I just think SF are handling things badly at the moment) but I’ll be damned if I’m gonna sit here and listen to an ex- british spook talk about democracy. I wonder, when was the vote that let you lads collude with murderers? Hmmmm I dont remember that referendum.

    And honestly man, your smug know it all attitude is getting really old. Please cut it out.

  • parcifal

    TTP
    I think it’s all going to work out for SF myself, the ecstasy of certain posters on the schadenfreude of the situation like a wet dream, won’t last. No matter how many ding dings
    Particularly if this DUP veto on P&J has been won by the leadership.
    we’ll know soon enough.

  • The Third Policeman

    To be honest I’m not at all sure yet. I’m more annoyed with what I saw as a selfish negociating strategy.

    I get the impression Sf were more worried with on the runs than with what I see as the main problem with british law- MI5. Their unaccountability and lack of transparency sickens me. I think we can all agree Adams (by dropping the ‘role of MI5 in Ireland’ line) has accepted that this is a battle he can’t win. He states SF will keep MI5 out of civic policing, but sure they have no interest in civic policing. I’d rather they rejected policing over an honourable, principle based refusal to have MI5 in Ireland than accepted it with their bloodstained hands in my community.

    Also to me, (their apparent) blocking any investigation into collusion is disgusting. If this is an attempt to protect republicans who were never convicted then I’m truely ashamed.

    However, pragmatic nationalism/ republicanism has always been more successful than idealogical. They might get my vote in march yet. Hahah plus it’ll be surely worth it to see the DUP twist and shout in the upcoming months. What’s left, no power sharing till Gerry and Martin go with one another? Hmm naw I can’t imagine the Doc takes stipulation advice from Paul Berry.

  • parcifal

    TPP,
    I like your angle.
    If republicans can partition their minds; so one part accepts the partition on the ground, as a pragmatic reality; and the other part of the mind realises partition is a stepping stone to a united ireland; there needs to be no outward split with SF.
    if that makes sense.
    DUP are too dumb to do anything like that, so it’ll be fun warching them tear themselves apart

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    PS No sign of Henry!

    I have noticed your habit of announcing where you are going when you leave slugger. I’m not working for anyone in being here so I have no need to account for my movements. In case you do clock in again tonight I can assure you that I was being perfectly genuine in not wanting to be bored by your opinions.

    I have previously offered you answers to questions in the spirit of open debate only to have my straightforward answers misrepresented by you.

    So don’t be surprised if that costs you in terms of what I choose to tell you.

  • Mark

    What an utterly dull thread that should have been interesting.

    Thats what happens when people feed the troll.

    Boring. Ding….yawn….

    Why feed the tedium?

  • The SF president, like all party officials, is elected every year at the Ard Fheis. Every cumann and cúige receives nomination papers and can nominate anyone they want.

    And it is not unheard of for motions or amendments which are sponsored or supported by the Ard Chomhairle to be defeated at the Ard Fheis. Off the top of my head I can think of three such defeats from the last Ard Fheis alone.

  • ingram

    Henry 94.

    This was the question I posed to YOU.

    In clear terms the last time an Adams sponsored motion was defeated at this renowned democratic insitution?

    This was your answer.

    As far as I remember Gerry Adams was on the losing side in the abstention debate in 1985. He didn’t walk out in a huff either. He stayed and argued and won the next year.

    This was then Chris Gaskins post a short time later.

    could you tell us when was the last time Adams was beaten at a vote at the Ard Fheish?< ?em>

    What are you on about!

    When was the last time that Gerry had a motion in at an Ard Fheis?

    Individuals don’t put in motions at an Ard Fheis.

    However the Ard Chomhairle have been beaten on many occassions at an Ard Fheis.

    Henry 94.

    You can see from the above exchange. I asked you a direct question.My understanding of the exchange was based upon the material you wrote. It certainly did not involve me lying. I would ask you to withdraw that slur please.

    You answered in a direct way.I recorded that exchange.

    Chris then posted subsequently.

    Ding Ding

  • Henry94

    Ingram

    I made the mistake of taking you at face value as someone to debate with. My mistake. It is now clear to me that you are not playing by the normal rules.