Paisley can’t wait, but his dissenters can…

Brian Feeney with a pessimistic view of the willingness of the party to do a deal under what could be a new management. No sign of that long and much fêted ‘Plan B’ then?

Ten days ago Dodds told the BBC that the DUP was not like the UUP because Trimble “presented his party with a fait accompli and rammed it through, whatever the dissent”.

Isn’t that exactly what Paisley tried to do on November 24 and what Dodds and his fellow dissenters prevented?

It’s perfectly clear that Paisley intended to present his party with a fait accompli that morning but the Dirty Dozen stopped him. Wasn’t that the first occasion Paisley didn’t get his way in his own party? Changed times indeed.

It’s also perfectly clear that the dissenters have been making the running ever since, laying down conditions for Sinn Féin to enter an executive just as David Trimble did.

Will the dissenters succeed in preventing an election next March, as they are looking increasingly likely to do, by making impossible demands of Sinn Féin? [my italics]

Hmmm… considering the DUP were the ones who wanted an election (Sinn Fein acquiesed in the announcement, and no one else could see the sense) and elecotrally have the most to gain across the board, it seems strange that the DUP would want to sink it. At the very least it will be interesting whether we we get to see detail of what these ‘impossible demands’ turn out to be.

  • When the Newshound comes back up, I will remove that link Mick. The link will be

    http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2006/dec20_DUP_dissenters_can_afford_to_wait__BFeeney.php.

  • Yokel

    No Plan B because it don’t exist at this time. Fact.

  • fair_deal

    “Will the dissenters succeed in preventing an election next March, as they are looking increasingly likely to do, by making impossible demands of Sinn Féin?”

    This claim has a central and intrinsic flaw. The Secretary of State calls the election not the ‘dissenters’.

  • George

    Yokel,
    this is plan B. We are trying to get back to plan A.

  • joeCanuck

    To paraphrase an old chestnut:
    Q.How can you tell that the SoS is waffling or using idle threats?
    A. His lips are moving.

  • Dec

    FD

    Unfortunately the central and intrinsic flaw in your argument is that Hain has stated he will cancel the election unless there is a committment to form a government, which leads us back neatly to Feeney’s argument.
    Incidentally he reveals Plan B will be ‘Direct Rule for years’. Doesn’t say from where, though.

  • fair_deal

    Dec

    Sorry it leads nowhere as Hain himself in the same interview says that such a commitment exists.

    “To his tremendous credit, Ian Paisley has agreed to share power with Martin McGuinness as his Deputy First Minister, provided Sinn Fein honour their obligations on policing and the rule of law – which I think they will. “And Sinn Fein has agreed to do the same. So the old enemies have agreed to work together in the interests of Northern Ireland”

  • George

    Fair_Deal,
    “it leads nowhere as Hain himself in the same interview says that such a commitment exists.”

    If Mr. Hain says it then it must be true.

    Dec, surely an intrinsic flaw is also a central one?

  • fair_deal

    george

    Dec was simply repeating my own over usage of adjectives.

  • Dec

    FD

    Sorry it leads nowhere as Hain himself in the same interview says that such a commitment exists.

    We’ll have to disagee on this one (for a change). Hain would have been better off using the past tense in that sentence.

  • Dec

    considering the DUP were the ones who wanted an election…

    Mick

    When have you ever known the DUP not to want an election?

  • Mick Fealty

    The time may come Dec; the time may come. 😉

  • parcifal

    Micks been reading the four quartets:

    To communicate with Mars, converse with spirits,
    To report the behaviour of the sea monster,
    Describe the horoscope, haruspicate or scry,
    Observe disease in signatures, evoke
    Biography from the wrinkles of the palm
    And tragedy from fingers; release omens
    By sortilege, or tea leaves, riddle the inevitable
    With playing cards, fiddle with pentagrams
    Or barbituric acids, or dissect
    The recurrent image into pre-conscious terrors-
    To explore the womb, or tomb, or dreams; all these are usual
    Pastimes and drugs, and features of the press:
    And always will be, some of them especially
    when there is distress amongst nations
    Whether on the shores of Asia, or in the Edgware Road

  • Crow

    Plan B is simply a greener version of the Anglo Irish Agreement for slow learners. Peter Barry being helicoptered into Stormont with unionist red-faces at the gate. This time however the protests will be fewer, thiner on the ground, and largely for show. The seven super councils will be the fig leaf of local administration. I suppose that’s progress.

  • George

    Crow,
    the only difference is that the Anglo-Irish Secretariat of yore is now called the British-Irish Intergovernmental Secretariat.

  • aquifer

    “At the very least it will be interesting whether we we get to see detail of what these ‘impossible demands’ turn out to be.”

    Better not be too impossible, or Sinn Fein wins the wider battle for public opinion, or rather, the existing prejudice among powerful elites that Unionists are unreasonable obstructive bigots is not challenged by any untoward act of DUP statesmanship.

    I’d bet on no political maturity from a party grown fat on sectarian hyperbole, and a muddled position that sounds angry enough to let SF off the hook when they themselves stall on policing.

    Reg should wheel the elder Trimble out to remind us that when it comes to political work, this dozen have yet to get their hands dirty.

  • Paddy

    The adjectives “intrinsic” and “central” are not mutually exclusive. A flaw may be intrinsic in that it’s built into the fabric of the argument but it no way has to be central to the argument. So one could have a peripheral flaw that is still intrinsic, but I have a hangover and i’m gonna stop now. Happy Christmas