One, two.. back to one SF MLA deselected in Newry?

An interesting snippet in the Irish Times[subs req], on the emerging story of the prospective Sinn Féin candidates selected for Newry and Armagh

However, a party spokesman said the selection of candidates is a two-stage process and is ultimately dependent upon the ratification of local decisions by the leadership.
The Irish Times understands that Ms O’Rawe will be included on the Sinn Féin ticket in the Newry-Armagh constituency when electors go to the polls on March 7th next year on the leadership’s insistence.
It is not expected that Mr Hyland will be among the three Sinn Féin candidates chosen to contest the six-seat constituency.

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  • CS Parnell

    Democracy, Shinner style.

    It’s all becoming a bit of an embarrassment for St. Gerry, isn’t it?

    Much easier back in the days when he and the boys threatened (and on accassion followed-through) to plug those who disagreed with the leadership, wasn’t it? They didn’t go bleating to the press then, just fled the country.

  • URQUHART

    So the guff on other threads about the sacred democratic process in Newry and Armagh Sinn Fein is exposed for what it is.

    Good God lads, what’s happened to ye?

  • Terry Doherty

    CS

    Surely the selection process in all parties is a two stage process. If I’m not mistaken, and we both know I’m not, a not too distant Derry SDLP selection decison was overturned with the irreplaceable Annie Courtney dumped off the ticket, a mini coup in the party by Pat Ramsey and friends and the creation of a split Derry SDLP that has yet to be healed with Ramseyites and Durkanites still eyeing each other across the Council chamber.

    Of course all parties consider the results of selection conventions centrally. Get a grip folks.

  • no more a sf voter.

    If she accepts she isn’t worth much is she? To take it because its handed to her by the leadership most likely because they are embarrassed. Scraps from HQ table. So much for a revoloutionary party. A candidate deselected by the party but on insestence from HQ-any body else would choke on it, but not a shinner.

    Nothing more than a yes woman. Reward for keeping silent.

  • URQUHART

    Sorry Terry Doherty – Provisionals can’t fall back on that argument after spending the day yesterday telling everyone to ‘get a grip’ when they complained about the treatment of Davy Hyland.

    We were told that central Sinn Fein does not dictate to the grassroots and any suggestion that they do is just ‘unionist, stoop, lick spittle, securocrat, blah blah blah. Have a read over them again if you’ve forgotten.

    It’s a fiasco.

  • Briso

    Sorry, I’m having trouble following this. Is it centralised fascist dictatorship mind-control when she’s thrown off the ticket or when she’s put back on?

  • Terry Doherty

    Sorry URQUHART but i can write what i want and i’m merely stating the obvious. I cann’t think of one political party that does not consider the results of local selection conventions and then decide to ratify or modify the. Of course you could have knowledge to the contrary, do share.

    Here in Derry we were told by the SDLP last time out that there had to be cosideration of gender, geography and generation. Criteria applied before the selection convention and then against which the decisions of the convention were subsequently assessed. Makes sense to me and I’m sure every other party as well.

    Of course, if what we’re really after is a bit of Shinner baiting then thats different. But lets have the decency to call a spade a long handled digging implement, eh.

  • CS Parnell

    Terry,

    In 2003 youse shafted one of your Derry candidates through unofficial transfer management. Even then that was a sign of what was to come as you made the full transition to SDLP Lite – All the Policies None of the Thinking (TM).

    Now the full extent of the disaffection is out in public of course we are going to draw attention to it. The point is you are just another bunch of dissembling politicos, just like the rest of them.

    The other point is that you are using the old methods in a time of new politics and it is just not working.

  • shamo

    A party is only democratic if it reflects the of all members, even if they conflict with a few, just as a society can only be democratic when it represents majority decision.

    If a local council were allowed to overturn decisions made by a democratically elected central government, they surely would, and likewise in political parties. I have other issues with SF, but people vote for the current leadership every year and entrust them with such decisions – above and beyond the opinions of pockets of contention.

    The real question is whether this is an efort to stunt dissent, rather than a routine deselection. With only three out of 62 votes for Davy, it seems the latter is the case in this instance.

    But then, you might ask, if O’Rawe was equally unpopular, how come her case is so different?

    BTW, Is Paddy not familiar with Sevastopool Street?

  • micky brady

    And i thought only the brits liked panto.stop digging psf, your looking more new labour everyday.spin spin and more spin

  • gerry

    Connolly house is never open, anytime I pass it, its usually shut. As for sevastapol st, its run thru nepotism..Yer man from the lower whack mc cann his sister runs it. same gang in all the jobs.

  • URQUHART

    Terry Doherty: “Sorry URQUHART but i can write what i want and i’m merely stating the obvious.”

    fair enough – of course you’re entitled to write what you want. My point is that it’s insulting for PSF supporters to switch from ‘HQ have no role in party democracy’ to ‘HQ are perfectly entitled to interfere’ in less than 24 hrs! PSF flip-flops normally take what, a year or two?

    And give over about the SDLP in Derry three years ago – no one from teh SDLP has been on here defending the local democratic process.

  • shamo

    Firstly, Urquhart, I haven’t switched opinion – read my posts. Who in PSF had said ‘HQ have no role in party democracy’. If I may be so bold, your post above seems to follow in the same line as many other similar posts that fail to engage with the rest of the thread, or do so only tenuously. Intead, you fabricate a false argument you CAN win, to substitute for the real one you CAN’T.

    Secondly, a Phádraig, SF’s supposed HQ is 44 Parnell Square, Dublin, but this is only a symbolic thing for the most part (telling? I can’t possibly comment!). Sevatapol Street is where the press conferences etc are held: the secondary press office (to Dublin) and much of the higher-tier work of party is located there.

    As regards the “power base” you ask of – that’s more of a mobile thing. After all, a relatively small group (see Ed Mononey’s book) decide most of party policy, but they’re people who are appointed by a democratically elected leadership.

  • Superman returns

    There are a couple of views I would like to express about Davy Hyland’s deselection:

    For the clowns who claim that Davy Hyland was lazy and unsupported, this was an attempt by those clowns over in Patrick street to villify him and attempt to provide a catalyst for his deselection. For years there has been a hate mob (WITH PARTICULAR LARGE HEADS) dedicated to remove Davy from his position and continually undermine him at any time. Why was he removed from his Council position? Why was he given so little publicity in recent months when it seemed he was continuing to carry out the same things he had previously done so well? Surely this in itself seems like a winding down exercise carried out by NSF’s Main man in preparation for the deselection!!!!!!!!

    Chris Gaskin, Im not sure what planet you are on kid. I have been involved for the last 15 years with the shinners and only recently have you come to the fore and more importantly tried to act the big man on this forum. Is this because youre a Bouncer Big man? I tell you what you couldnt bounce your own balls!!!! It seems you have also become a Yes man like all the other ceasefire soldiers in this town. To have the bare faced cheek to say that the selection meeting on Monday night was Democratic only puts a slight on yourself. There was nothing democratic about the process, I have heard that the man in question was told of his predicament a whole week in advance. Secret ballot!!!!

    Fair play to Davy Hyland for having the balls to stand up and not be counted as a Yes man, like so many of you sheep out there in order to be part of a Ship that seems to be sinking!!!!!

    Vote Davy Hyland, at least its a vote for the truth!!!!

  • James Jameson

    It’s pretty obvious that the “grass root” members voted to deselect Davy as it was the way they were instructed to vote by the powers that be.

    ‘Yes Men’ grassroot members in Newry & Armagh SF doing what they do best….towing the party line. Never daring to challenge their masters. Very few, if any, would dare have the balls to show any degree of dissent and simply go with the flow.

    Each and everyone should hang their heads in shame. The whole charade smacks of facism.

    It is also obvious that Davy was/is the victim of a personal vendetta orchestrated by a senior members of SF in Newry perhaps because of his popularity amongst order decent people in Newry. Their egotistical, selfish mindsets could take no more.

    Why would any political party who are seeking an even larger increase in their political surplus deselect (sack) a man who is arguably their greatest asset in the district.

    Why would any political party get rid of a man who topped the local council polls 3 elelctions in a row and who served as coucil chairman on behalf of his party.

    Why would any political party abandom a man with a proven track record coupled with years of dedicated service and replace him with a nobody who joined the party 2 months ago?

    Then again, SF are’nt just any political party are they?

    An absolute disgrace.

  • James Jameson

    Superman,

    You are spot on mate! Ceasefire soldiers indeed. You want to see the clowns in charge of the Cumman in my area.

    Yes men who don’t even know what they’re saying yes to.

    You’re also right when you say that the muppets who run Patrick Steet are bigheads. Bigheads indeed.

  • I have been involved for the last 15 years with the shinners and only recently have you come to the fore

    I joined the party at the age of 16, the earliest I could have joined. I am only 22 FFS!

    more importantly tried to act the big man on this forum

    I have never tried to “act the big man” either on this forum or anywhere else for that matter.

    Is this because youre a Bouncer Big man? I tell you what you couldnt bounce your own balls!!!!

    A very mature response, your wit and repartee is surely lost on the rest of us.

    It seems you have also become a Yes man like all the other ceasefire soldiers in this town.

    I am not a yes man and I am not from the town

    To have the bare faced cheek to say that the selection meeting on Monday night was Democratic only puts a slight on yourself

    Why is that? It was a vote taken by Newry Republicans selecting the candidate for the Newry MLA.

    I understand that the result may be hard for some to take but you are directing your anger at the wrong person.

    It’s not my fault he didn’t secure selection

    I have heard that the man in question was told of his predicament a whole week in advance

    I haven’t spoke to Davy yet so I can’t comment on this. Was he told about the general mood on the ground? What was he told exactly?

    I have known and liked Davy for quite a while and because of this I have no intention of getting involved in a slagging match with a person who chooses to hide behind a pseudonym of “superman returns”

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    ‘Chris Gaskin, Im not sure what planet you are on kid. I have been involved for the last 15 years with the shinners and only recently have you come to the fore and more importantly tried to act the big man on this forum. Is this because youre a Bouncer Big man? I tell you what you couldnt bounce your own balls!!!! ‘

    Has the balls to post under his own name, rather than skulk in anonymity. But then providing a name can lead to check the veracity of different claims, cant it.

  • James Jameson

    Chris Gaskin is clearly a South Armagh bigshot displaying the typical arrogance of the yes men that SF love to embrace in that particular area.

    It’s so easy to sit back and nod your head in agreement with the big boys in charge ain’t it Chris?

    I also heard that Davy received the news last week before the “secret ballot” (possibly via text message). Would you agree with that particular SF policy Chris? You may need to phone one of your superiors to answer that question.

    I’ll wait with interest.

  • Chris Gaskin is clearly a South Armagh bigshot displaying the typical arrogance of the yes men that SF love to embrace in that particular area

    I am not a big shot, I am not being arrogant and I am not a yes man.

    It’s so easy to sit back and nod your head in agreement with the big boys in charge ain’t it Chris?

    That is not the case at all. I am not making any comment on the actual decision itself. I am just clarifying that it had nothing to do with policing and was indeed democratic as it was the decision of Newry Sinn Féin members.

    I also heard that Davy received the news last week before the “secret ballot” (possibly via text message). Would you agree with that particular SF policy Chris?

    I find that hard to believe as the vote wasn’t taken until Monday night. He may have heard something about the mood on the ground, I don’t know!

    You may need to phone one of your superiors to answer that question.

    A rather pathetic response, hardly unexpected though.

  • shamo

    I wouldn’t waste any more text on James Jameson/Superman. Anyone who uses the argument of being around longer to denounce an enthusiastic 22-year-old is clutching at straws.

  • Chris-

    I have yet to hear whether you have officially accepted my challenge as per comments 15 and 20 here: (http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/hyland-deselected/P125/).

    Afraid of having to pay 100 quid to Newry Hospice?

  • El Mat

    I thought we cleared this up when I said I was a man of my word, yes I accept the bet.

    BTW, why would I be afraid of giving £100 to Newry hospice? They are a very worthy charity who need all the money they can get!

  • Good to hear that Chris- I hope you’ve your chequebook ready 😉

  • Joe Romhar

    PO’Neill must have no balls given that he doesn’t issue statements in his own name

  • lois lane is back

    Superman returns

    ‘I have heard that the man in question was told of his predicament a whole week in advance.’ I would expect so, because I presume you talk to each other in the house. How dare any supporters/friends/relatives of Davy Hyland come on here and start castigating other members of SF, calling people ceasefire soldiers or pretend that Davy was some martyr for the cause of dissent within the party. Until he was deselected nobody had heard of Davy outside of his own area and the SF party. He had never once dissented from any view expressed by the party leadership. He had only a few weeks ago said that he was 100% behind the leadership on policing. If someone went to him a week before the selection and told him that he was going to be deselected they were only telling him what everyone in the party locally knew.The fact that he only received 3 votes out of 62 proves this. My advice is, Mark, to cool your jets over Christmas and think logically about this whole situation. I understand that you and supporters/friends/relatives of Davy are hurt over the fact that he was deselected but don’t do yourselves the disservice of smearing other republicans when the fault for Davy’s deselection lies solely with him. I suspect that all those who declare undying support for Davy for being a true, principled and dedicated republican may have their illusions shattered at some point in the future.

  • mickhall

    Chris Gaskin is a 22 years old republican and I would just remind folk that at that age a good many people thought the sun shined out of a certain bearded fellows backside. Chris nearly always posts on slugger in a respectful manner and he does his best to be helpful, given time his judgement will either mature and develop or he will become a party place-man, im betting on the former even if he decides in the short term to stay within SF, as he is to intelligent to spend his life as a nodding head.