Copeland on ‘sit out’ housing protest…

UUP MLA Michael Copeland has embarked upon and sit out protest at the paucity of social housing in East Belfast, where he claims there is 6,500 people on the waiting list.

  • Percival

    Never mind Copeland. Any truth to the rumour that Slugger’s own Stephen Warke has his name in for the East Belfast UUP nomination? Will Reg shaft Rodger’s yet again, this time for Copeland’s side-kick?

    And I thought Shilliday in South Down was a laugh…..

  • eranu

    there should be no social housing built anywhere in the inner parts of the city. there is far too much housing in the city centre areas. short strand and the markets are on prime land. house prices in belfast are now simpley to high to be wasting land in the city on social housing. its crazy to have housing estates a few hundred metres from the city centre!
    if anything should be done it would be to move any existing social housing out to the edges of the city where land is cheaper. the inner city land should be used for apartments or business.

  • fair_deal

    Percival

    “Never mind Copeland. Any truth to the rumour that Slugger’s own Stephen Warke has his name in for the East Belfast UUP nomination? Will Reg shaft Rodger’s yet again, this time for Copeland’s side-kick?”

    Are the UUP running three in east? Why they barely have two quotas?

  • Percival

    FD

    Yes they are AFAIK. Sensible tactics prevail yet again.

  • interested

    Percival / F_D

    Why the assumption that Rodgers will be the one who is ‘done over’?

    From what I hear, Copeland isn’t a guarantee for a nomination…..

    Maybe it was a sit-out for a seat!

  • Yossarian

    Interest, Copeland is that rare commodity within the UUP that is energetic and can make a half way decent TV appearance, they would be insane to rid themselves of him.

    There again, we are talking about the UUP…

  • lord st

    short strand and the markets ???

    You forgot Sandy Row, Donegall Pass, lower ravenhill, lower Newtownards Road, Albertbridge Road etc…

    For example, Over 50% of homes in Short Strand are privately owned, and house prices have rocketed in the last few years.A similar situation in the Lower Ravenhill.

    The problem in some Unionist areas close to the city centre is the continued poor repulation due to drug dealing etc…Local people buy their homes from the Executive and then sell it as soon as they can (3 years,i think)to escape.The homes are then bought by investors who enter the rental sector.Thus the huge increase in foreign nationals in these areas.

    But hey, lets cover the whole city in apartments, that are snapped up by large investment corporations and sit empty for most of the year.

  • Percival

    lord st

    Who’s selling the drugs/destroying businesses/intimidating locals and holding these communities back?

    Clue: Reg tried to get their moith-piece into his Stormont grouping.

    Yossarian

    Did you see his maiden speech at Stormont? Good performer? You’ve got to be joking.

  • Percival

    interested

    I would say that Copeland is no mug when it comes to selection meetings – he set up his own branch and recruited enough people for the purpose of shafting Adamson last time. He will I think have protected himself to ensure re-selection even if Empey wanted rid of him (which I am not sure he does).

    The question therefore is will Copelands supporters go with Stephen over Jimmy Rodgers?

    How humiliating for Jim if they do and he’s beaten by the young whippersnapper, but knowing Jim he’ll still go back for more from the UUP, like the political masochist that he is.

  • are you mad?

    Do you honestly think that Warke will get more than his own vote? Any internal UUP elections he wins are out of sympathy, never because he deserves it. No one takes him seriously.

  • Curious

    UUP MLA Michael Copeland has embarked upon and sit out

  • Percival

    AYM

    Picture the scene

    Your are Michael Copeland, you’ve gotten wind that Reg isn’t fussed about keeping you in place. What do you do? Allow Jimmy Rodgers on the ballot – well-known, past Lord Mayor etc. or do you get a non-entity on the ticket who poses no threat to you whatsoever, and who is a member of staff?

    In that context it isn’t hard to see what the bold Mick will do….

    The key question of course is how do the numbers stack up inside EB UUP?

  • John East Belfast

    Percival

    I suggest you confine your posts to something you know about – you clearly know nothing about East Belfast UUP

  • darth rumsfeld

    “The key question of course is how do the numbers stack up inside EB UUP?”

    Reg and Stella
    Michael and his granny
    Dolly and his family…er that’s about it shurely?

  • Realist

    The solution to the housing shortage is that the 20,000 immigrants who have arrived in the last couple of years go back home. It’s left the rest of us facing in financial dire straights with higher rents, mortgages, debts. We don’t need 1,000 polish builders to build houses which only end up housing themselves, with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

    We need to leave the EU and send them back. Control our cost of living ad control our wealth distribution. Globalisation stinks.

  • URQUHART

    Realist, surely that’s a comedy piece?

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    I don’t like Copeland simply because of his UDR history, but his shafting of Jim Rodgers and winning of the Assembly seat was one of the better political muggings in Unionist history. Poor Jim must still wonder where it all went wrong.

  • Realist

    “Realist, surely that’s a comedy piece? ”

    How is it? I don’t see how anyone wants to live in a world which is an economic rat race. People fighting over somewhere to live. Property developers coming here from wherever, buying up housing stock, filling them with immigrants, leaving the rest of us ‘ordinary settled comunity’ paying all our income into somewhere to live. either through rent or mortgage. Housing is a right, not a rat race achievement, that’s hardly funny. In Japan they now have mortgages spread over 3 generations, that’s real comedy, inheriting someones mortgage debt. There’s only so much land, water, housing to go round in this piece of the world, we don’t need buckets of immigrants.

  • ADF

    You’re not the “realist” who comments on the sport’s threads are you?

  • Realist

    ADF
    sorry, no. I just read the article, and picked the first word in my head that described my thought analysis.

  • Dr Strangelove

    Realist, how about this for a solution – when you are not visiting immigrant families in South Belfast in the dead of night, you get off your lazy arse and get a better job. That might help alleviate your living costs.

  • Realist

    pathetic Dr strangelove, totally pathetic. I love the assumptions you make. Really pathetic argument. Shows you’ve nothing contructive to say.

    Im talking about greater economic arguments for the whole. You bring the argument down to gutter.

    I have a good job, Dr. I’m not specifically talking about me, im talking generally. I’m glad you know me so well to know I’m lazy. Wind your neck kneck in.

  • pith

    Isn’t that electrical shop that has the mad sales in East Belfast? Is Copeland wearing a big jumper that he could hide a TV up?

  • Stiofán de Buit

    Realist

    Instead of sending back the immigrants, most of whom are hard-working individuals in search of a better life, it would make better economic sense to round up the leeches in the UDA etc., and their hangers on, and ship them all over to somewhere nice like Belarus?

  • aquifer

    “I don’t like Copeland simply because of his UDR history”

    Like to tell us some more Pat, or is it just the wee crown above the harp on his cap badge that gets your goat?

  • Percival

    John EB

    Wel why don’t you enlighten us then, seeing as you know so much about the EB UUP Association.

    An answer to the following questions would be nice:

    1. Has Stephen Warke indicated a desire to seek the nomination either verbally or in writing?

    2. Is it true that Empey is looking to ditch Michael Copeland?

    3. In terms of members on the books, which branches are bigger Victoria, Knock/Bloomfield and Ballyhack or Castlereagh (have I missed any out?)

    4. What is the procedure for selecting UUP candidates in EB – is it one member one vote, or do delegates from each of the branches make the choice?

  • reggy

    Dodgy dealings and money laundering probe ??

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4449465.stm

  • Coopy

    I don’t think the housing crisis the fault of the wicked Poles, Lithuanians or whatever…they’re mostly renting privately too. But why are individual investors allowed to accumulate so much housing stock? And it’s also perfectly legal for them to pass on rates charges to the tenant, which is outrageous. Have a look at UPS’s rental page – “£600 p.m. plus rates”? This is just privateering, why the f— isn’t it stamped out?

  • Percival

    No reponse to my questions from know-it-all John EB. What a shock.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    Aquifer,

    Certainly i’ll tell you more, he travelled all the way from his Castlereagh bailiwick along with his ex RUC wife to set up camp in Cluan Place during the interface violence that was erupting on a nightly basis with S Strand residents several years ago, funnily enough before the last Assembly elections . All well and good and something he was entitled to do.

    He allegedly kept a diary of events of his observances at that time, noting violence witnessed etc. He boldly stated that ALL violence was instigated from the S Strand and that he had NEVER once saw any violence originating from the side that was his source for votes. now this assertion flew in the face of all other evidence.

    I would contend that Copeland attached himself to this location in a quite cynical way to promote himself and curry favour with the electorate in Lower Newtownards.

    I already had firm views on the UDR and by default the RUC. His behaviour at that time confirmed all I had believed about that sorry crowd to be true. Therfore as you can tell the crown and harp are of little relevance to my views on the UDR, merely the integrity of people who squeeze the motiff onto their heads.

  • John East Belfast

    percival

    “No reponse to my questions from know-it-all John EB. What a shock”

    You honestly dont expect me to start talking about internal Association business on Slugger do you ?

    May I also say I am endeavouring to be restrained in the spirit of the Season in my responses to your nonsensical posts.

  • Truth and Justice

    Copeland must be geting desperate to being doing a stunt like this, if it had been a year ago well before selection meetings and elections then it would have locked more realistic.

  • Realist

    Stiofán de Buit

    Probably, if you can identify about 20,000 of them, but I know which would be easier. Also since them and their families are predominantly born here, it’s an unlikely political solution.

    The key problem is there is no immigration control of significance, I think its better to control immigration before we run out of water, power, housing and destroy the environment in the process. The biggest threat to the environment and cohesion is mankind, considering we now have the biggest movement of people in a 1000 years, I think all this movement is advancing the destruction of society. We need to be more self sufficient on this tiny island.

    We have a problem now in this country, where an increasing section of society are on the scrap heap. Immigration isnt the answer. Getting this bulk of people back into work with real training opportunites is the answer.

    People increasingly wont do unskilled / semi skilled jobs for low pay here. Not worth their while to live on, better off on the dole or ‘sick’. The only ones benefitting are immigrants and employers. They are driving down wages, not something we should be happy about, particular as the cost of living is increasing. This will eventually catch up will higher skilled jobs too.

    Most migrants are hard working, but thats not the point. What this is doing to this society long term is the point, plus it’s not helping to develop their own countries, by depriving them of well needed skilled labour.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I don’t think the housing crisis the fault of the wicked Poles, Lithuanians or whatever…they’re mostly renting privately too. But why are individual investors allowed to accumulate so much housing stock? And it’s also perfectly legal for them to pass on rates charges to the tenant, which is outrageous. Have a look at UPS’s rental page – “£600 p.m. plus rates”? This is just privateering, why the f— isn’t it stamped out?

    Coopy, surely this is a technicality. If they didn’t charge the rates, they’d just add it onto the rent. This is market economics at work.

    I do agree with the general point that housing is something that needs to be looked at. If rents are too expensive then there is an undersupply; that is the fundamental issue which needs to be addressed.

    Realist:

    … The biggest threat to the environment and cohesion is mankind, considering we now have the biggest movement of people in a 1000 years, I think all this movement is advancing the destruction of society. We need to be more self sufficient on this tiny island…. an increasing section of society are on the scrap heap… The only ones benefitting are immigrants and employers ..They are driving down wages… This will eventually catch up will higher skilled jobs too…

    I’ve heard speeches like that before. They scared me a lot so I got old Molotov to sign a pact with them before they came after us. It’s a damn shame it didn’t work, but you can’t make an omlette without breaking a few heads eh ?

  • Reggy,

    Those ‘accusations’ were very strangely dropped…

  • Crataegus

    There is a shortage of Housing generally and hence the hike in prices. Many of us have been warning about this for a decade now. Several problems.
    1 It is planning policy to create 60% of new housing on Brown Field sites. The problem is how? Brown field often means someone’s garden as there is no way to compel anyone to sell land. Why should you as under the current regime it will not be any cheaper next year!
    2 Need to rezone more land and do it in a clever way. Say a commuter loop along the railway using the Antrim – Lisburn line (as others have previously suggested)?
    3 Need to increase housing in rural areas the problem is not the houses in the countryside, but the utter stupidity of a policy of scattering them all over the place. Need new hamlets and villages along possible public transport routes. Also need to consider the other service availability!
    4 Need to look at the social Housing stock and future proposals. I have seen fewer areas of greater stupidity than the likes of single storey retirement dwellings in lower Shankill and lower Newtownadrs Road. This is crazy these areas should be very high density. I would suggest a rolling programme of privatisation where a percentage of the houses or apartments are allocated for social housing. Certainly proposals to vest large parts of the village on Donegal Road and similar should not go ahead. Social housing = low density and that should be in the suburbs.
    5 Need to look at the pockets of land owned by all government bodies and councils with a view to maximising usage.

    We need an inner core say 1-1.5 miles from the City Hall where there should be minimum development densities. New developments along arterial routes should be 6 – 9 storey depending on the width of the Road. Get the density up, get building, it’s the only way out of the general housing problem. Once there are adequate houses the speculators who buy and sell on will disappear, hopefully some will get their fingers burnt.

    Well past my bedtime Christmas on the beach.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Crataegus, sensible stuff.

    I’d actually like to slap a punitive tax, say 10% of the market value per year, on residential houses which are not primary dwellings and which are unoccupied for 1/3rd of the year or more. That would stop people keeping empty houses hanging about as a wee pension, would increase the number of properties on the market, and would ensure that prices in the rental sector are kept competitive.

  • Percival

    JEB

    I didn’t ask for restraint, and therefore don’t expect it. Perhaps now you could answer the questions put. Failure to do so will confirm my suspicions.

  • lonely pint

    It’s heartening to see Copeland make a stand for more social housing for East Belfast.

    NIHE statistics show that the Waiting List for rehousing in the Short Strand has more applicants in housing need than for any other part of East Belfast.

    In light of this and to show consistency in his stance, I would like Michael to come out in favour of social housing being built on the only available sites in the Strand-the soon-to-be closed Mountpottinger PSNI station and the Bus Depot site at Mountforde Road. To have a Bus Depot emitting toxic poisonous fumes in such a densely populated area is a disgrace in this day and age.

    Come on Michael! Do the business on this and there may be more than a few votes for you in the Strand!

  • brian

    Is it normal for bus holding sites to be based in highly populated areas

    Several cases in Scotland were proposed bus depots have faced rigorous opposition from local residents

    http://www.hlag.org.uk/Pollution.htm