1998: Silly when I look back…

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  • Mick, the first chunk of this video is from a riot in Ardoyne in July 2001. I can remember the night clearly. The white police jeep is a giveaway to the date.
    That said, good post. We have made a lot of progress.

  • Greenflag

    They’ve a long way to go to achieve Finnish Complaints Choir levels of dissent as Miss Fitz might have said 🙂

    Good musical backing . Almost had me believing in in a grand finale of destruction 🙁

  • joeCanuck

    Amazing that it’s such a relatively short while ago and yet there are politicians here who refuse to move forward and, presumably, would not be overly concerned if we went back there.

  • Butterknife

    What is the betting that these thugs are now living in the lap of luxury, claiming off the State: i.e. us, while at the same time opposing it.

  • miss fitz

    Paul Panther
    I thought the same thing too, but then I wondered if one riot started to feel like another!

    Its good, as we move forward to remind ourselves that there is a place, not too far away, where we do not wish to return

    Greenflag: As I read your quip, I had a gorgeous vision of people from ‘both sides’ coming together in a big complaining choir……. good visual image for the day

  • Ian

    You only have to go back 15 months to find footage of riots.

    A question – when are Unionist politicians going to sign up to supporting the rule of law, as it applied to lawful determinations of the Parades Commission? When will they stop giving cover for loyalists and loyal orders members attacking the PSNI and army?

    Nationalists and republicans should refuse to share power with unionists until they can meet these basic requrements.

  • Greenflag

    Miss Fitz,

    ‘I had a gorgeous vision of people from ‘both sides’ coming together in a big complaining choir’

    Gorgeous vision ? More like a nightmare. Born complaining -live whining and destined to die disappointed – that’s their lot (just kidding ) .

    When asked what he did for a living old at Johannesburg Airport – Janni Van Der Merwe said he worked all day in the Complains Department. He was then asked what exactly it was he did .

    ‘Ach man -it’s easy . Whenever a plane lands I stand on the tarmac, lift up both my arms and say ‘Kom Plaan’ ‘Kom Plaan’.

    At least Janni gets paid for complaining 🙂

  • Mickhall

    Joe

    I understand where you are coming from and have no wish to fall out with you, but just because some people from both communities refuse to jump through the appropriate hoops set by the governments, does not mean they wish to return to yesteryear.

    I get heartily sick of being told this, just because people like i oppose the current terms being offered over policing in no way means that we wish to return to war.

    In any other society claiming to be democratic, one can oppose the powers that be without being termed a Dissident or war- monger. [or in the case of the unionists who oppose all that is demanded of them b i g g o t s] The fact that both SF and the British State refers to us with this term, just shows how much they need to learn about the democratic process and just how far from democracy and the rule of law the north of ireland actually still is. Having had the term dissident lionized by Andrei Sakharov and others who opposed the Stalinist state, it would do no harm for ordinary people to question those who so readily use this term to condemn their political opponent as to there reasoning for doing so. could it be they prefer to use insults rather than debating the issues through, we will have to see if there are any more public meeting like that which took place in Belfast on tuesday.

    Democracy is not only about government and power, it is about opposition as well, for without that there can be no democracy, because accountability is removed from the equation, but then that is the major flaw within the GFA. Christ did not the British State understand the pathetic caliber of the norths main politicians, in that they would all scramble for the proceeds of power and not give a fig about democratic accountability.

    To be truthful I feel Mick posting up this clip was crass and emotional, for it does not in the least highlight why such street protests occurred in the first place.

    Best regards to you Joe.

  • Greenflag

    Mick Hall,

    ‘Democracy is not only about government and power, it is about opposition as well, for without that there can be no democracy, because accountability is removed from the equation, but then that is the major flaw within the GFA.’

    Actually Mick that was always the major flaw with the Northern Ireland State . There never was an opposition . There could’nt be . If the opposition won an election it would have meant the end of the State . The State itself was carved out in a manner which ensured that those ‘opposing ‘ the State’s establishment would have no chance of winning .

    So in fact what is now offered to the people of NI is the replacement of one inherently flawed solution with another flawed solution. This continuous replacement of one failed solution with another soon to fail solution, will continue until such time as Northern Ireland becomes part of a UI or is repartitioned in a manner that will allow a new Unionist State to have some semblance of democratic legitimacy. A smaller Unionist State could even have an opposition party which if it wins an election would not immediately set about dismantling the State .

    The political and economic contradictions within political Unionism are now so obvious that even Unionists are having a hard time trying to make the last part of the lie match up with the first part 🙁

  • joeCanuck

    Thanks Mickhall

    I envision a future also where we can have a “normal” democratic society wherein we have an elected government and a loyal (to the state) opposition, and where there is a possibility of changing the government through elections. But I think we are generations away from that in our strange circumstances. Desperate times call for desperate solutions. If we could think of the propsed measures as constituting a government of national unity, perhaps we could advance.
    As Rodney King of L.A. fame (or infamy) put it “Can’t we all just get along together?”

    Best regards to you too.

  • Quaysider

    Why does this clip begin with an “oppose censorship” logo when this is exactly the sort of footage all news organisations take great glee in showing at every opportunity?

  • Mick Fealty

    Mick,

    Sorry Mick, but it is out there. I’ve no idea of who put it out there, but it looks like someone who once thought it all a good idea, now saying it wasn’t.

    That’s what struck me as being most noteworthy about it, not the content. It’s not erudite, but certainly worth noting.

    That Oppose Censorship logo appears in a lot of You Tube output. It might be interesting, if someone had the time to see what else comes out with it attached. Just to put it in some kind of slightly more critical context.

  • Munsterman

    Greenflag – your post no. 9 is very good.
    (Still disagree with you about repartition though… ).

  • faustus

    i’m of german descent from the usa. i spent time in NI mostly in belfast on and off in the late 70’s early ’80s and again after the good friday. seems to me this is all a waste of time, money, and effort and the ppl of NI deserve better. why spend all this effort on forming a government that will be hell bent on tearing itself apart again, when you can just join the goverment of the south. its not a perfect solution but i can tell you right now, it would a lot more of a fair government than any government that has gerry adams and ian paisley leading it. everyone should just get over themselves up there and join the south and get on with life. thx for forum, it’s very well done, being both fair and honest imoh. happy holidays to all.

  • URQUHART

    Mick – as far as I know, that ‘oppose censorship’ logo denotes it as the handiwork of one of our dissident republican propagandists.

    Tor rags of the lowest calibre.

  • “That Oppose Censorship logo appears in a lot of You Tube output. It might be interesting, if someone had the time to see what else comes out with it attached. Just to put it in some kind of slightly more critical context.”

    I came across this pan-IRA site a while ago with loads of videos with the same Oppose Censorship logo: http://irishrepublicanarmy.info/Videos.html (The host of the videos seems to be inaccessible at the moment.) I think their origin is CIRA.