McKee: bringing unrepentant terrorists into government…

More local journalism. That man Jack McKee is making life difficult for the mainstream of the DUP again, in the Larne Gazette.

“I would label and dub it a halfway house to a United Ireland. I must repeat : after 35 years of the Troubles what has that been about, the mayhem and murder that followed that?
I would have to say we are revisiting the Sunningdale Agreement with Brian Faulkner going into powersharing with Gerry Fitt – a decent man. This had been deemed a step towards a United Ireland and rejected, now the plan was to bring unrepentant terrorists into government. ..I think the Saint Andrew’s Agreement is the Belfast Agreement dressed up in different clothes. I certainly won’t be giving it my support.”

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  • Truth and Justice

    God help this country if we are ever to move forward people like McKee, Allastair need to wise up! They cant see their nose to spite their face!

  • Michael Shilliday

    At least they’re consistent! They can see that the St Andrews agreement is a continuation of the Belfast Agreement that has been negotiated badly from a Unionist perspective. I don’t agree with Jack McKee that Unionism has the room to manoeuvre out of this situation by rejecting the deal, but the rest of his analysis seems pretty sound, particularly when you look at where he is coming from.

  • Truth and Justice

    I agree Michael that they are consistent however they dont have an alternative and they certainly are going to push Unionisn into joint authority under plan B if they keep it up especially as they are about to defeat from the jaws of victory, Sinn Fein are in a mess and we cant let them of the hook!

  • Irish in America

    I love seeing the DUP squirm. I thought it was supposed to be just the Republicans who were “debating” the SAA??

  • GavBelfast

    I don’t even know why I’m bothering replying to T&J’s Pravda-esque witterings …. but, what exactly was Paisley’s alternative on any number of occasions?

    Who’s to say the likes of McKee and Allister (and maybe the Dodds’, Campbells and Simpsons of this world) don’t have a better alternative.

    I thought it would be Paisley’s ultimate mortality that would see the DUP turn on itself, but maybe we’re seeing that it won’t take that long after all.

  • joeCanuck

    you might be right Gav.
    Their main problem is that under Paisley’s leadership (if that’s not an oxymoron), they have only ever been against something. Now that responsibility has been thrust upon them they just don’t seem to know what to do.
    I mean we can all see that the SAA is the GFA with some minor tinkering.
    Robinson needs to develop the courage to stage a party coup.
    Wonder how the leader gets elected in that party? I don’t ever recollect a leadership convention.

  • Jocky

    where has this guy been since 1998? did he just wake up and think “feck me we’re going to have to talk to the shinners”

    Sunningdale for slow learners has never been a more apt description. Very slow learners indeed. His analysis may be sound just 8 years too late. no point whinging about it now.

    Where did he think this was going?

    Gav if McKee et al have a better idea why the feck didn’t they pull it out the bag 8 years ago, why are the still not telling anyone about it, yeah they’ve got this cunning plan that will solve everything they just havnae got round to telling anyone.

    At this rate the only solution would be if either of the main parties cant bring themselves round to actually doing something, HMG should simply cut off the money supply, then sanctions and then close the borders, until someone in NI takes repsonsibility.

    If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.

  • Truth and Justice

    It is noticable that Jack McKee did not get selected for the 2003 assembly election and Allaister did not get to run for east antrim 20 years ago maybe a grude explains there present behaviour?

  • Jim Boyd

    ” I’ll not have one [a roman catholic] about the place.”

    The words of Prime Minister Brooke still remain the watchwords of many unionists, it seems.

    Incredible.

  • GavBelfast

    Jocky, I don’t think McKee and Allister have a better idea, just that they’re saying much as Paisley did when he was opposing Trimble, all before him, and just about everything else. He said he had an alternative then, maybe they’re saying the same now.

    Paisley has turned many Prods right-off politics, and spooked many others. In turn, a mixture of the IRA mostly off the scene and looking at who the Prods are voting in has seen SF out-gun the SDLP.

    DUP and SF feeding-off each other, ironic yet utterly predictable.

    I have to say I detest the idea of DUP/SF First/Deputy First Ministers, mostly because it just won’t work. How can it? This is not De Klerk and Mandela we’re talking about, it’s more Sharon and Arafat or Denktash and Makarios. It’s not that their aims are diametrically opposed, they have total contempt for each other and those who vote for them.

    T&J, let’s face it, you’re a junior troll aren’t you? Is the number in that e-mail address of yours a clue that you are 12 going on 13? I’m enjoying the comic value anyway, much like Paisley’s ramblings and DUP squirming generally.

  • McBurney

    “It is noticable that Jack McKee did not get selected for the 2003 assembly election and Allaister did not get to run for east antrim 20 years ago maybe a grude explains there present behaviour?”

    For someone who has lambasted Jim Allister on several threads, I find it hard to believe you still cannot spell his name, although it’s late and, if other comments are true, you have school in the morning. I think your above comment is an attack on Mr Allister’s integrity: as someone who has found Mr Allister very helpful in any issues I have had, I believe he is at least a man of principal and consistancy. His present behaviour as you call it is due to him not being happy with the Party going back on Manifesto commitments which certain commentors on this and other sites forget to be the case. Does it not bother you that last year certain issues were declared ‘out of the question’, but yet now are?Does it not bother you the blatant misuse of trust and votes? Why should they ever vote for the DUP again?

  • Balloo

    The present course of people like McKee and Allister is simply a continuation of ‘old’ Paiselyism. How can people within the DUP actually attack these people when they are simply fighting what the DUP have always stood for?

    Like it or lump it, McKee is spot on. How can the current leadership do such a u-turn and expect it to go down well. It is ludacris.

    Spin, rhetoric etc. cannot cover the blushes of the DUP at this moment in time.

  • darth rumsfeld

    just one wee point- why the emphasis on the repentance of the terrorist proto-partners?

    Now, I grant you that it is the aim of every free P to save our souls (sounds like arseholes…made me laff aged 6 and still does), but let’s imagine Gerry sees the light,heads down the Martyrs’Memorial, admits -hypothetically lest Mick’s libel alert explodes-that he wasn’t in the bookies on Bloody Friday, and offers “abject and true remorse” as someone else once said. Who seriously thinks that Marty will still not follow the same policies Unionists find so objectionable? And who decides if it’s true repentance? Let’s face it the track record of the truly and abjectly remorseful CLMC wasn’t exactly followed up by actions. Perhaps the DUP might want to get back to examining the unworkability of power sharing

  • unionist

    T & J I suggest you ask someone in the DUP what happened with Jim Allister in East Antrim all those years ago. The story of seat allocation may surprise you.

  • The Pedant

    “For someone who has lambasted Jim Allister on several threads, I find it hard to believe you still cannot spell his name, although it’s late and, if other comments are true, you have school in the morning. I think your above comment is an attack on Mr Allister’s integrity: as someone who has found Mr Allister very helpful in any issues I have had, I believe he is at least a man of principal and consistancy.”

    McBurney lambasts T&J for a minor misspelling yet uses a misplaced modifier in his first sentence; his second sentence has the correct construction. Furthermore, although he appears to admire Allister’s principle and consistency, he is unable to spell either word.

    Glasshouses and stones? Or simply not paying attention during the English lessons?

  • 2050

    Unionist seem to be struggling with the whole peace process. Last olive branch I seen from was the UUP accepting the GFA, which undoubtedly moved this wee part off the Island forward. There is enough safeguards built into the GFA, Mitchell principle, consent principle and the unionist veto.

    Perhaps they fear progress and normal life here will make people question what is the point of the union anyway?

    A mm off movement towards sharing power equally with over 40% of the population off NI is scene by the DUP as a step towards a unification. They are really struggling on moving beyond NO. Their achievements since taking on the Unionist leadership mantel can be measured as zero. They have had enough time and have shown a complete lack off leadership and vision. They should be punished for this at the next election. Time to move on to those who offer progress with our everday concerns come the next election.

    Most people are fed up off the endless political analysis and discussion ad nauseam. The constitutional position won’t change without majority consent north and south separately and endorsed with a referendum so get on with it, change is coming anyway.

    NO FEAR

  • joeCanuck

    What are english teachers doing here at this time of day correcting spelling and grammar.
    Shouldn’t they be at school?

  • 2050

    Know what you mean. Typed it quick but hopefully the essence of my post was understood but I have made a few minor corrections and will try again.

    Unionists politicians seem to be struggling with the peace process. Last olive branch I seen from them was the UUP accepting the GFA, which undoubtedly moved this wee part off the island forward. There is enough safeguards built into the GFA, Mitchell principle, consent principle and the unionist veto etc etc.

    Perhaps they fear progress and normal life here will make people question what is the point of the union anyway?

    A mm off movement towards sharing power equally with over 40% of the population off NI is seen by the DUP as a step towards a unification.

    They are really struggling on moving beyond NO. Their achievements since taking on the Unionist leadership mantel can be measured as zero. They have had enough time and have shown a complete lack off leadership and vision. They should be punished for this at the next election. Time to move on to those who offer progress come the next election.

    Most people are fed up off the endless political analysis and discussion ad nauseam. The constitutional position won’t change without majority consent north and south separately and endorsed with a referendum so get on with it, change is coming anyway.

    NO FEAR

  • Greenflag

    ‘I certainly won’t be giving it my support.” ‘

    So what do the likes of McKee and Allister actually want ?

    DUP majority rule? Direct Rule ? UDI ? Repartition ? The return of the British Empire as well as Harland & Wolf ? The good old days when tame Fenians knew their place ?

    Seems to me that the McKees and Allisters know what they don’t want i.e SF in Government in Northern Ireland .

    Nothing new there -They did’nt want the SDLP in Government either at the time of Sunningdale -30 years ago .

    Whether the DUP implode into factions or whether they stay as one party under it’s janus faced leader matters little . The irredentist faction in Unionism be it the DUP/Vanguard or the McKee’s , Allisters etc want nothing less than the return of ‘unionist ‘political supremacy in Northern Ireland .

    They’re not going to get it – either now or after next March or ever again no matter how many McKee’s or Allisters raise their voices .

    Peter Hain’s farce of an election in March will not assuage the irredentist faction within the DUP . Hain needs to close down Paisley’s pantomime and be done with it .

    The entire approach of the DUP towards solving or reaching an acceptable compromise in Northern Ireland has been ‘infantile ‘ since day 1 . Instead of engaging with the SDLP or later SF they pretended neither of the latter existed or were worth talking to .

    Both the UUP and DUP have led Northern Unionists around in ever diminishing circles for a generation or more . It’s time Irish Nationalists and Republicans closed the door on this Assembly by witdrawing their support for any return of Stormont – given that Peter Hain has’nt the guts to do the job !

  • Greenflag

    ‘Perhaps they fear progress and normal life here will make people question what is the point of the union anyway? ‘

    Indeed . When you can’t make the croppies lie down or beat your drums through Irish neighbourhoods there’s just no fun in this ‘unionism ‘ lark anymore . And it gets even worse when the ‘croppies’ next door have an expanding economy , political stability, inward migration and a GDP per person almost double that of Northern Ireland . Maybe God isn’t an Orangeman after all . Maybe she’s a Fenian .

  • joeCanuck

    Requiem for the Croppies

    The pockets of our greatcoats full of barley…
    No kitchens on the run, no striking camp…
    We moved quick and sudden in our own country.
    The priest lay behind ditches with the tramp.
    A people hardly marching… on the hike…
    We found new tactics happening each day:
    We’d cut through reins and rider with the pike
    And stampede cattle into infantry,
    Then retreat through hedges where cavalry must be thrown.
    Until… on Vinegar Hill… the final conclave.
    Terraced thousands died, shaking scythes at cannon.
    The hillside blushed, soaked in our broken wave.
    They buried us without shroud or coffin
    And in August… the barley grew up out of our grave.

    Seamus Heaney

  • Greenflag

    Dart Rumsfeld,

    ‘Perhaps the DUP might want to get back to examining the unworkability of power sharing ‘

    Not just the DUP . Both Governments and SF as well as the SDLP . zNever mind the ‘unworkability’ of power sharing the focus should instead be on the ‘unworkability’ of the 6 county Northern Ireland State . How long more can this shite continue . Surely there must be some people left in NI with some self respect and a brain or two in their political heads ?

    Majority rule is out – Minority rule is out – Forced power sharing is a recipe for further political instability and uncertainty .
    A March election just prolongs the farce .

  • DK

    Green Flag

    How long indeed. As someone from a unionist background, it is clear to me that the future lies in some form of island state, closely aligned to whatever relationship england, scotland and wales have in the future, within an overall european economy.

    The sooner the better. Cut down on this crap in between. However, I will oppose any form or island state that gives a sympathetic view of the murderous sectarian campaign that the PRM executed against my people.

    Anything else will only prolong the divisions.

  • Greenflag

    DK,

    Whatever relationship England, Scotland and Wales have in the future is a matter for the people of these countries and their future /present Governments and/or Assemblies. NI is a place apart as we all know only too well . There will however always be social , cultural and economic links between both islands regardless of any political settlement in Ireland as between North & South whether a UI, or an agreed Repartition or something else . History has skewed the political relationships within Ireland between Orange and Green and in particular within NI. This has also impacted on the relationship between Westminster and Northern Ireland .

    ‘ I will oppose any form or island state that gives a sympathetic view of the murderous sectarian campaign that the PRM executed against my people. ‘

    An understandable viewpoint . Does this mean you also oppose the sympathetic view widely held in NI unionist circles , of the murderous sectarian campaign that the UUP/UVF/B Specials executed in establishing the NI State and it’s Unionist government record of official discrimination against the minority Catholic population for over half a century ? There are two sides and often more in any conflict.

    Of course Unionists would no more accept that, than Northern Republicans are likely to accept your view of their campaign .

    I personally never believed there was any justification for the Provo campaign but then I’m a Southerner. If I had been brought up in the Bogside or Ardoyne I might have a different view . Similarly if I was one of your ‘people’ I would no doubt share your political viewpoint . No matter . It does’nt bring the dead back to life whatever view we both have .

    All that matters is finding a solution which can work to bring permanent peace and political stability so that NI can move into the future .

    One of the reasons I favour a fair ‘repartition’ solution is with regard to the point you made re

    ‘ I will oppose any form or island state that gives a sympathetic view of the murderous sectarian campaign etc etc ‘

    A UI whether we like it or not would give ‘retrospective’ legitimacy to the Provo /SF campaign over the past generation . It would be seen as the final ‘defeat’ of political unionism on this island . It would probably take another generation or two before people on both sides in NI could look back without anger .

    Our Civil War in the early days of the State also left a legacy of bitterness which erupted at election time even into the 1950’s . However our Civil War lasted 6 months to a year . NI has had an ‘uncivil’ war for a generation and a history of dissent and division going back 80 years to the founding of the State and even before the foundation of NI there have been sectarian conflicts going back several centuries.

    Anyway it’s long past time that it was ended . Both sides in NI have been victims/political prisoners of the cage that was constructed for them back in 1920 . All the new Assembly will do IMO is wrap a few more chains around the cage 🙁

  • Ian

    Greenflag:

    “A UI whether we like it or not would give ‘retrospective’ legitimacy to the Provo /SF campaign over the past generation.”

    You could argue that the continued existence of partition (whether it be into 26/6 or 30/2 county entities) is providing continued legitimacy to the “murderous sectarian campaign that the UUP/UVF/B Specials executed in establishing the NI State” in defiance of the will of Parliament at the time to establish Home Rule for the entire island of Ireland!

  • Greenflag

    Ian,

    You could argue that also but like the other arguments it is to no avail in the here and now. All that matters is that a long term politically stable solution should be found . I don’t see the ‘return’ of Stormont even a devolved one as that stable solution .

    The world will move on anyway leaving both sides in NI further and further behind . If that’s what the people of NI want- then I say give it to them .

  • DK

    Greenflag,

    “Does this mean you also oppose the sympathetic view widely held in NI unionist circles , of the murderous sectarian campaign that the UUP/UVF/B Specials executed in establishing the NI State and it’s Unionist government record of official discrimination against the minority Catholic population for over half a century ?”

    Correct. I will oppose it.

    “A UI whether we like it or not would give ‘retrospective’ legitimacy to the Provo /SF campaign over the past generation .”

    I don’t like it and won’t accept it. In that sense it cannot be a “united” Ireland.

    Looks like that one is off the table then!

  • Greenflag

    ‘I don’t like it and won’t accept it. ‘

    I don’t like it either but as long as SF don’t get a majority in the Dail I’d accept it .Anyway I’m forecasting scenarios which may never happen or may indeed happen in a way that negates my forecast of the public mood .

    Your ‘Correct. I will oppose it.’ is regrettably 50 years or more too late and you were probably not around at the time anyway 🙂

  • DK

    My main point about a UI is that it has to actually be united. It can never be truely united if the state pays homage to an organisation from one tribe that directed a campaign of murder, (or housing discrimination), against the other tribe. It won’t work.

    Outside of that logic, my sincere belief is that Adams and his band of thugs have been a major impediment to unity on this island. How the hell they thought that killing and bombing the protestant people would help unite us all as one people is beyond me.

    I am fully aware that some sort of PRM organisation will march around for generations to come, bowing to their definition of patriot, much the same way as the orange order still march around celebrating their myths. That will be their choice and I guess that we will have to put up with it.

    What I will not accept is the state that represents me, paying homage to people that destroyed our villages and towns and murdered or relatives.

    Accepting the wrongs of the former unionist regimes and the injustices heaped upon the nationalist population is something that I am up for. Accepting a UI which treats me and mine as a defeated second class people is not on my agenda.

    Murder is murder is murder.

    You are correct, i was not around during the unionist rule. Well I was, but as a nine year old when it all fell apart.