Rhonda’s discrimination case looms- against Papa’s party

In what can only be viewed as a highly embarassing affair for the DUP, former party councillor and daughter of party founder/ leader/ father Ian Paisley, Rhonda Paisley has pressed ahead with her case in which she is alleging she was discriminated against by the DUP on the grounds of her gender.

The party has always had a somewhat fractious relationship with women- as the treatment meted out to Women’s Coalition members in the 1996 Forum illustrated. But the fact that the leading family in the party has decided to wash its dirty linen so publicly must be an embarassment to the party heirarchy, including, of course, Rhonda’s father and brother.

The full hearing is due next year, with both sides given until December 22 to finalise preparations for hearing.

  • slug

    It would be inconceivable that this sort of thing would happen in Sinn Fein, LOL!

  • barrel

    Anyone else hear the sound of scraping

  • Sex, not ‘gender’.

  • bertie

    What has the DUP’s attitude to the Woman’s coalition got to do with their attitude to women in gereral. I know lots of women who were deeply embarassed by the WC.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Bertie

    Many of the comments attributed to DUP spokesperson’s during the many heated debates in the old Co-Op building were blatantly sexist. Now if you can’t see the relevancy of that point, I suggest you take the blinkers off.

  • bertie

    Taking from what you linked to I can’t see much evidence

    “Ms McWilliams muses on which was the worst insult hurled at her or her colleagues. There have been so many of them. “Whingeing”, “whining”, “silly”, “feckless” women, she and her party colleague on the Northern Forum, Pearl Sagar, have been regularly called in the Forum chamber.

    “Moo,” said Ian Paisley jnr, “moo, moo, moo,” when Ms McWilliams was trying to speak about the BSE crisis. “Thank God only 7,000 idiots voted for these women,” said Iris Robinson, wife of the DUP deputy leader Peter Robinson.”

    The “Whingeing”, “whining”, “silly”, “feckless” are things that many women have said of them. Iris Robinson was not being sexist either. She was speaking from a sence of shame for her gender. calling Moo to anyone during a BSE debate isn’t conclusive either. I’ll give you the Willie Mc Crea comment. Hardly evidence of widescale abuse because they were women, rather because of their party.

    I’ve not doubt that they considered these women idiots, but not because they were women.

    If I was a young woman starting off in politics, it wouldn’t be the DUP, I’d be most worried about mysogony.

  • James St John Smythe

    The most interesting thing in this post is Monica McWilliams saying in her interview that she would ‘never shed her nationalism’. She has subsequently been appointed the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commissioner and this revelation has tainted my view of her position.

  • Gum

    Why can’t a nationalist be trusted with the Human Rights Commissioner post James? Why should republicans/nationalists have any confidence in a unionist the post? Wise up.

  • Billy

    James

    How many high ranking civil servants in the NIO are in the Orange Order and/or the Masons?

    Blair Wallace was ACC of the RUC and now a high ranking UUP member.

    Bill Lowry was a commander in RUC special branch and now speaks at DUP funcions.

    Jimmy Spratt was the spokeman for the RUC members for many years and then became a DUP election candidate.

    Nobody asked the Catholic community if we were happy to place our trust in these people.

    Monica McWilliams may well be a nationalist but she has not been accused to my knowledge of any kind of favouritism.

    If you have a problem with a Catholic/Nationalist having this position – that’s too bad.

    We have equality of opportunity here now. The only issue is whether people do their jobs efficiently and impartially. If they do, then their personal political views are no-one’s business.

  • fair_deal

    “How many high ranking civil servants in the NIO are in the Orange Order and/or the Masons?”

    Was your messsage posted from 1966?

    “We have equality of opportunity here now.”

    Not if you are a protestant or ‘other’ looking to join the PSNI you don’t.

  • fair dinkum

    The Catholics are forever whinging. Fair Deal is right. Things were much beter when Catholics knew their place. We only have to look at the abductions in Iraq to see where the slippery slope lies. Also, the DUP did not execute women as a matter of policy.

  • Billy

    Fair_Deal

    The PSNI quota is there for a reason.

    Because we had a 98% Protestant RUC, 98% Protestant UDR and 100% Protestant B Specials (all of which were guilty of collusion with “loyalist” terrorists).

    For years Unionists were happy to live with a Protestant police force defending “a Protestant Parliament for a Protestant people”. Now, they are reaping the harvest that they sowed.

    The UK govt realised that the Unionists didn’t want a police service with a fair representation of Catholics as then it would have to serve BOTH sides of the community rather than just their side.

    Unionists are slow to learn. The UK govt are belatedly trying to get an equal society here. If the Unionists won’t deal with Nationalists in a constructive manner – then the UK govt will simply force these measures through – as with the PSNI quota.

    Let’s face it, the UK govt foots the bill for NI.
    Unionists can whinge about things but they can’t change anything. You can accept that life has changed and Catholics are no longer second class citizens or you can leave.

  • m

    What relevance does the PSNI, Monica McWilliams etc have to the very weird fact that Ian Paisley’s daughter is taking her father’s party to court over alleged sexual discrimination? (other than deflection)

    A very strange case. I have no idea why Ms Paisley feels she has more merit than the other candidates. What has she done to merit the role of policy officer? Or is she just saying they let my brother have a job with no track record so it’s discrimination if she doesn’t get one?

    Why is Mrs Paisley a member of the Lords? On what grounds? Have the female Paisley’s like the female Dodds’ and Robinson’s not been given enough opportunity over substance or track record already? Is Rhonda complaining she hasn’t had the same unfair advantage as other female relative’s of DUP leadership or saying she merits the role?

    I look forward to her proving her worth.

  • bertie

    Billy

    “The PSNI quota is there for a reason. ”

    There is no excuse for discrimination on the basis of religon in a police force.

    “For years Unionists were happy to live with a Protestant police force defending “a Protestant Parliament for a Protestant people”. Now, they are reaping the harvest that they sowed. ”

    When was this? There are very few unionits that I know of, i.e. none, who considered that the police were there for just them or who did not want more RCs in the RUC, (based on merit alone) and were not full of admiration for thoise who did join, knowing what additional risks they faced.

    “The UK govt realised that the Unionists didn’t want a police service with a fair representation of Catholics as then it would have to serve BOTH sides of the community rather than just their side. ”

    A very ugly dispay of prejudice and untrue.

    “The UK govt are belatedly trying to get an equal society here”

    You don’t do that with discrimination. Between the two of us, one is quite happy with religious dicrimination and it ain’t the unionist.

    m

    “A very strange case. I have no idea why Ms Paisley feels she has more merit than the other candidates. What has she done to merit the role of policy officer?”

    Well if you’ve no idea why are you infering that she hasn’t more merit?

    “Why is Mrs Paisley a member of the Lords?”

    Because she was her Party’s nomination. That is how most of the Party Peers got there.

  • Yokel

    Billy get yer stats right, RUC 98% Prod, no sirree. 92% maybe…….stats matter in this country, we are forever going on about them.

    Chris Donnelly..well you tried your best with this thread, god loves someone who tries. I wish you well in your next venture.

    Its just a way of shifting money around the Paisley clan……

  • Kingbean

    Hopefully Ms Paisleys case will be through out swiftly. She didn’t get the job simply because she was not the best candidate for the job, she was up against formidable competition.

    Cases like this just make women look ridiculous, if you are not the best candidate for a job you shouldn’t get it regardless of whether you are male or female.

  • fair_deal

    Billy

    A reason for removing equality of opportunity still means your claim of equality of opportunity is incorrect

  • nmc

    There is no excuse for discrimination on the basis of religon in a police force.

    How do you get to the point where you have an overwhelmingly protestant force in that case? Discrimination on the basis of religion was fine when it favoured Unionists applying for jobs. Now that things have changed and the damage is slowly being undone discrimination is a problem.

    The Catholics are forever whinging. Fair Deal is right. Things were much beter when Catholics knew their place.

    A wee bit of news for you, those days are long gone, so in your feeble attempt at a wind up I would like for you to realise that you have only served to make me feel happy and smug about the fact that for you things are worse than they were, and are set to get worse still.

  • pith

    Why is Willie McCrea missing from the new sour-faces banner on the DUP website? That’s the real discrimination issue?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    fair_deal: “A reason for removing equality of opprtunity still means your claim of eqaultiy of opportunity is incorrect ”

    Ah, but to correct past inequality, it appears to be a necessary tool. Equality of opportunity did not exist in NI, with an institutional favoritism toward Protestants. One cannot have a fair race after giving one party a headstart, f_d.

    Funny how the shoe pinches when its on the other foot, eh?

  • Faithless

    David Simpson is also notably missing

  • Yokel

    Pith

    He wanted to pose with his guitar and the hierarchy said no…

  • I Wonder

    “Cases like this just make women look ridiculous”

    “I know lots of women who were deeply embarassed by the WC. ”

    Comments like the above would make a cat, irrespective of gender, laugh.

    I read recently of fears that the popularity of blogging and quality of the comments therein were in danger of supplanting newspapers.

    Erm…I don’t think so.

  • pith

    Yokel,

    It is surely a victorious day for those fabled “enemies of Ulster” when the DUP won’t run a picture of Willie and his banjo. It’s time we had a breakaway Free DUP.

  • Doctor Who

    Feel we are moving ever so slightly from the Rhonda debate.

    Nevertheless I´ll put my two pennies worth.

    Billy do you not think that more Catholics would of joined the RUC if it hadn´t been for Sinn Fein / IRA intimidation. Seems a trite unfair while Protestants where being murdered on a daily basis for carry out policing duties. Perhaps you think most Nationalists called their local community officer instead of the RUC.

    I myself have always had trouble in respecting a POlice Force for other reasons…a nationalist work colleague once said to me that I hated the police because of what they represented, he said he was against them because they hated him for his religion. Two weeks after this conversation the same person noticed from the office window two people attempting to steal his car….well i´ve never seen anyone call the police as quick.

    Anyway Rhonda, fair play to her.

  • James St John Smythe

    I was not suggesting that a Unionist ought to be the NI Human Rights Commissioner. I do feel that there are intelligent, progressive people in Northern Ireland and formerly of Northern Ireland who feel that they can identify neither with nationalism or unionism. That is not an Alliance party position either. At the last general election some four of ten people chose not to vote, and for at least some of them that was not a decision taken on the basis of laziness but intelligently and reasonably because they could identify with none of the political parties here. Let us be more imaginative about our public appointments, get away from the same old faces and the same old prejudices. While Monica McWilliams has had a decent academic career, it doesn’t appear to me to be anything special. However if one looks at the academic achievements of the 108 Assembly members, I suppose she looks like an intellectual giant.
    I don’t want a unionist in the post of the Northern Ireland Human Rights Commissioner, and I don’t want a nationalist either, especially one who is only in the post because he or she has hung around the periphery like a bad smell for long enough, trying to waft their way into some position of power or other.
    Have confidence in the new dispensation, invite back to Northern Ireland some of the talented individuals who left in the darkest hours. If we rely on the sediment who remained, we will be intellectually bankrupt for at least another generation.

  • fair_deal

    DC

    With the raft of changes Patten brought in the only tool needed to bolster Catholic recruitment was for their political leaders to encourage them to do so. However, the nationalist demand for it and its maintenance just shows how hollow their words about equality are.

  • Graham

    “Anyway Rhonda, fair play to her”

    Er, how, why? Am I missing something here? The woman is simply annoyed because she didn’t get a job that she wasn’t qualified enough for. Clearly she thought being the leaders daughter was all the qualification she needed to get the job. Tough luck love, its a meritocratic society we live in.

    Good on the DUP for having the courage to say no to the Paisleys daughter.

  • bertie

    “Ah, but to correct past inequality, it appears to be a necessary tool”

    Always interesting to see how people excuse religious discrimination.

    Anyway back to the topic. I have no idea of the particulars of Ms Pailey’s case.

    I think that the issue of discrimination within a Political Party is a tricky one. I suppose that it comes down to the nature of a job. In some cases the best person for the job is the person that others want to have perform the role.
    On the other hand, if she thinks she has been discriminated in the grounds of gender, I don’t blame her for giving it a go.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    F_D: “With the raft of changes Patten brought in the only tool needed to bolster Catholic recruitment was for their political leaders to encourage them to do so. However, the nationalist demand for it and its maintenance just shows how hollow their words about equality are. ”

    Just as hollow as the Protestant complaints that the current arrangement in unfair, F_D.

    You are confusing, deliberately, I suspect, the ideal and the corrective measure necessary to approach said ideal. Were the RUC to have been actually closed, everyone cashiered, the entity scrapped and a fresh start, with applications for all levels, what would the outcome have been? There would have been few, if any, Catholics, particularly in the upper ranks, as they lacked experience, due to institutional discrimination by Protestants against Catholics. Ergo, this measure was necessary and, arguably, still is. It is not ideal, which I will freely grant. However, I will also grant that the preference should have a sun-set date…

    Then again, without the institutional discrimination, it wouldn’t have been necessary at all.

    bertie: “Always interesting to see how people excuse religious discrimination. ”

    And where, pray tell, was your sanctimony when it was the other way around, bertie.

    As I said, isn’t it funny how the shoe pinches when its on your foot.

  • bertie

    “And where, pray tell, was your sanctimony when it was the other way around, bertie. ”

    When was it the other way round? When was someone refused on the grounds of their religion to the RUC. Unlike you I have never condoned dicrimination on grounds of religion to the police.

    I don’t think its funny for the shoe to pinch on anyone’s foot unlike some.

  • willowfield

    How many high ranking civil servants in the NIO are in the Orange Order and/or the Masons?

    Probably none.

  • mark

    Why do those that raise the exemption from discrimination law, both by Westminster and Europe, for recruitment to the PSNI never, ever raise the similar exemption from equality legislation for teachers in the north?

    Does papa Doc’s party’s battle against discrimination end the moment his Free P schools would be affected?

  • Christopher Stalford

    mark

    A trite point if ever there was one. If an RC was refused a job teaching in any school on the basis of their religion they would be entirely justified in seeking legal redress.

    Unlike you Mark, most of us don’t believe in discrimination on the basis of religous belief. It is clear though that Sinn Fein, aided and abetted by the British Govt. and Europe is firmly of the opinion that the only acceptable form of discrimination allowed today in all of Europe is discrimination against Northern Ireland Protestants.

    Building and Ireland of Equals indeed…..