Virginia going to recount…

I promise this is the last mention of the US midterms. Just to note that the last seat is going to an automatic recount. It seems that YouTube may have sealed the fate of Senator George Allen and the Republican’s 12 year long control of Congress.

  • Mokaka

    1. Burns (R) hasn’t given up in Montana afaik. He may still take it.
    2. I don’t think it is an automatic recount in Virginia like the papers are reporting. Either person can request a recount if the margin is <1% which is slightly different.

    Remember the dems need both seats or Cheney (the devil) holds the deciding vote in the senate.

  • Mick Fealty

    You’re right. Dem ahead, but by less than 1,200 votes.

  • Mick Fealty

    Rumsfeld is to go.

  • McGrath

    Post #1 – Mokaka

    That would be Makaka, and didn’t we talk about this incident before on Slugger?

    Wouldn’t this be cruel fate if this one thing caused a congressional shift. But I’m sure there are many other “one things”.

    No doubt You Tube (and its type) provide a new information distribution tool. Its no longer “Sound Bites” but “Video Bites” with easy distribution over the Internet.

  • Mick-

    I saw that. Good riddance!

  • joeCanuck

    Don Rumsfeld.

    Major General Paul Eaton summarized Rumsfeld’s dismal performance this way:

    “Rumsfeld has shown himself incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically, and is far more than anyone else responsible for what has happened to our important mission in Iraq”.

    Keep in mind that Eaton is a conservative Republican and a firm believer in America’s preemptive war in Iraq. His comments simply reflect his ability to judge performance and to assign blame where blame belongs. In this case, the person who is most responsible for the bungled policy in Iraq is Don Rumsfeld.

    Fellow Lt. General Gregory Newbold was equally critical of Rumsfeld and said, “The decision to invade Iraq was done with a casualness and a swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions—or bury the results.”

  • ben

    That article is flat wrong: there is no automatic recount. A candidate can demand a recount if the margin is <1%. All the votes have now been counted and Allen has lost by 6,500 or so -- within 1%, but far outside a realistic shot at a recount. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't concede today.

  • If Allen asks for a recount, it cannot be made official until later this month, meaning there would not be a confirmed result before December.

    We have been there before, 2000.

    After careful consideration of the results I feel John Quincy Adams should have the last say:

    The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?
    John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815

    Cabalistic Christianity, which is Catholic Christianity, and which has prevailed for 1,500 years, has received a mortal wound, of which the monster must finally die. Yet so strong is his constitution, that he may endure for centuries before he expires.
    John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, July 16, 1814, from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

    The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

    John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” (1787-88

    We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions … shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power … we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.
    John Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785, quoted from Albert Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom (1991)

    As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?
    John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

    These could have been written for the front pages today.

  • Mick Fealty

    Reuters calling Montana for the Dems, on a much shorter margin. VA still seems to be being contested for some reason. With 1 per cent to go Allen is on 7,000 deficit.

  • Alan

    There is good detail at http://www.pbs.org/ .

  • The pigs have indeed darkened the skies over Montana

    As I was treading my way up a very smoky Bitterroot Valley this summer I thought that old Conrad had it nailed hands down after I spotted three taxidermist signs in about 20 miles. (If you end up with a piece of taxidermy in your Thanksgiving Table Centerpiece, chances are you might be a redneck.)

    Yet my daughter up north in Galata emailed me this wee testament to the wit and wisdom of Conrad Burns

    Now I don’t want to belittle the interest of you Nordies in the state which Smilin’ Jim’s people wetbacked into from Ontario back in the 1880’s but it is more a propos for you all to know that your bete noires Jim Walsh and Peter King have weathered the Democratic juggernaut in New York but have lost their committee status.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Democratic juggernaut in New York

    Juggernaut ? From what I could see, the Dems ran a pathetic campaign. It is the total corruption, bankrupt war policy and backwards ideology that have cost the Reps this election.

  • Duncan Shipley Dalton

    its a blow out for the Dems the GOP certainly got a “thumpin”. The numbers say it all:

    Votes cast:
    Dem/ Rep:
    21,428,784 18,665,605 (02)
    37,645,909 38,164,089 (04)
    32,100,000 24,524,000 (06)

    Thats around 8 million votes or a 13.4% margin of victory. Its a historic victory. The GOP won no seats from the Dems. not one pickup. That has never happened before in US history.

    Me i am happy that Massachussetts elected its first African American governor Deval Patrick by a 19 point margin. He is a great guy having done a little early work for him before he officially joined the race i found him to a be truly sincere and genuine man with a sharp intellect.

    All in all its a big horaay from me and its nice to be on the winning side again!

  • Greenflag

    The Democrats will control the Senate also . Although Allen is putting on a brave face in Virginia – He knows that if he demands a recount it will cost the Virginia taxpayer . In a previous election in Virginia for Attorney General of the State a candidate demanded a recount who was 2,000 votes behind the winner . After the recount 40 votes were all that could be found to have been missed ! Virginia is not going to repeat Florida . Allen is an astute politician and he will have read the mood of the country . If he’s to have any political career in the future he’ll accept his defeat very soon IMO.

  • Greenflag

    Comrade Stalin,

    Part of the Democratic victory especially in places like Montana and Missouri stems from the ‘conversion’ of a significant number of ‘evangelical Christians ‘ who were so disgusted by the rampant corruption surrounding the top echelons of the Republican Party that they crossed the floor to vote Democrat . The Democrats played to this vote by putting up Democratic candidates who could be described as social conservatives i.e anti gay marriage and anti abortion .

    America has moved back to the centre which should be good news for everybody.

  • latcheeco

    Duncan, does that mean your now a blue nose in a blue state?

  • It is the total corruption, bankrupt war policy and backwards ideology that have cost the Reps this election.”

    Please permit me, Great Leader, a middling bit of confusion over how this is one feckin’ micron different than any election I have voted in since Goldwater/Johnson.

    Yer men Walsh and King are still amongst the last men standing.

    Neener neener neener.

  • Crataegus

    The war, corruption and a thumping trade deficit did it for the Republicans. Sounds familiar so back in the sceptred isle I wonder how Labour would do if it went to the people just now? Next May should be interesting. It will be not so much the Conservatives winning as Labour losing and State side it was probably similar.

    A good result as a truly awful administration has at last received the vote it deserved. As for Rumsfelt he has always made me cringe and really did not have the skills necessary for such a sensitive job. His departure is 6 years overdue.

    Perhaps we are entering a phase where the differences between the US and Europe can lessen and that is potentially to everyone’s advantage. By my reckoning the Bush administration has been an unmitigated disaster pity it has to hobble on for another two years.

    It is also worth remembering the manner by which the Republicans pursued Clinton and the political motivation and sheer nastiness of it. I hope that American politics can get itself out of the gutter as that type of politics lowers everyone’s esteem and is in the end self defeating. There is really no need for it.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “All in all its a big horaay from me and its nice to be on the winning side again!

    Posted by Duncan Shipley Dalton on Nov 08, 2006 @ 10:58 PM”

    Well now we know why the democrats emblem is a jackass.:0)

    Interesting that Virginia has elected Reagan staffer Jim Webb, author of “Born Fighting” , the extremely favourable account of the Ulster Scots in America. Laird Lord will be opening a bottle tonight.
    The Republicans have only themselves to blame. They funked all the challenges conservatives needed addressed, and there’s no point appealing to the base if you ignore their concerns between elections (Dr Paisley take note).

    And uncle Donald- if you’re reading this in your retirement- I think you should know: You were far too soft on them all!

  • kensei

    BBC reporting Virginia will go to the Dems: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6131122.stm

  • Mick Fealty

    Ed Driscoll has a good piece on the migration to the centre motif:

    http://eddriscoll.com/archives/009884.php

  • Comrade Stalin

    The war, corruption and a thumping trade deficit did it for the Republicans. Sounds familiar so back in the sceptred isle I wonder how Labour would do if it went to the people just now?

    The memories of the total mess the Tories made out of the place is still relatively fresh in people’s minds. I still don’t think people trust them. They voted for the war on Iraq and there is no sign that they’d have done anything differently than Blair did.

  • Crataegus

    Comrade

    They (Conservatives) voted for the war on Iraq and there is no sign that they’d have done anything differently than Blair did.

    Sounds like a description of the Democrats. The point is the Republicans were punished not so much because everyone thinks the Democrats wonderful, but simply because the Republicans are woeful or rather Bush’s administration is plain dreadful. Same will happen to Labour especially as Tony hasn’t shifted himself with haste and there are all sorts of awkward questions about loans looming.

    May’s council elections will see red blood at the counts and Conservatives will gain without any real merit.

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    Interesting that Virginia has elected Reagan staffer Jim Webb, author of “Born Fighting” , the extremely favourable account of the Ulster Scots in America. Laird Lord will be opening a bottle tonight.

    Just as long as it’s at his own expense and not at that of the tax payer….

  • Rory

    Surely, Oilibhear Chromaill, you don’t expect a noble lord to pay for his own drinks? Now that would lead to anarchy.

  • Anyone expecting the bipartisan approach to last will be dissapointed.

    Sure, there will be some common ground between Congress, Senate, and the White House, minimum wage, Imigration, where Bush is closer to the Democratic line than his own party, but alongside this window dressing of bipartisanship there will be a track of revenge, hearings on the Iraq war, 9/11, etc.

    Democrats will use the cover of oversight to drag the Bush administration throught the mud and Gridlock is the inevitable outcome.

    Just look at Wall St, forging ahead, as it does when the prospect of gridlock looms, because gridlock means less regulation and govt is forced to sit on its hands.

    The appointment of Bob Gates as new Defence secretary is bit like “Kissing your sister” not recomended too often.

    Bob Gates is a close Bush family friend, another sycophant like Condy Rice.

  • micktvd

    oh happy days. I have watched fox news for as long as I can stand it just to enjoy the gnashing of teeth behind the smiles. I am taking the day off work to watch Bull o’really (only jokin, boss)

  • “Interesting that Virginia has elected Reagan staffer Jim Webb

    Staffer? He was the Secretary of the Navy.

    On the plus side he adulates rednecks, not that we need more representation, thank you.

    On the minus side, he could be a Republican again the instant the war goes away — either that or a Henry M. Jackson type of Democrat, the boyhos that formed the spine of the neocons.

    He has also become one of the class that his fictional works despise. It will be an interesting caucus.

  • “Anyone expecting the bipartisan approach to last will be dissapointed”

    Bipartisan? That word died in 1994, the first casualty of the Republican Revolution.

    How to really screw the republicans to the wall? How to make them scream till they bleed?

    Do absolutely nothing.

    Leave the House and Senate rules as is: They have been rigged by the previous republican majorities to totally exclude the democrat minority from having any input into legislation.

    Zen rules.

  • Please enlighten us Duncan – when exactly were you last on the winning side for anything political? (Sadly those pyrrhic Turtle “victories” don’t count.)

    Are you looking for a campaign job from Hillary? If so can a triumphant visit from the first woman President to Muckamore or Chimney Corner be far behind?

    Darth, is it true that the Grand Lodge invited Webb to speak to them only to find that they couldn’t afford his fee?

  • CNN just reported that Allen was going to concede on Thursday.

    Now can we get back to debating the proper name for Derry, the colors of flags and other substantiative Slugger issues?

  • Rory

    We must all be grateful to Smilin’ Jim for reminding us of Conrad Burns and so to take comfort that, despite a strong challenge from DUP members,
    the north of Ireland does not lead the world in political arseholes.

    Still runner up is not bad for such a small place.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “Darth, is it true that the Grand Lodge invited Webb to speak to them only to find that they couldn’t afford his fee?”

    genuinely don’t know, but they should certainly invite him now that he can claim it on the expenses

  • darth rumsfeld

    “Interesting that Virginia has elected Reagan staffer Jim Webb

    “Staffer? He was the Secretary of the Navy.

    On the plus side he adulates rednecks, not that we need more representation, thank you.

    On the minus side, he could be a Republican again the instant the war goes away — either that or a Henry M. Jackson type of Democrat, the boyhos that formed the spine of the neocons.”

    Smilin’ Jim- you are of course correct- I couldn’t remember the post, but I knew he was a Reagan man. And as for adulating rednecks, what’s so wrong about that? They/we have as much right to commemorate our not inconsiderable achievements as any other section of US society. He’s no racist- as his outreach to Vietnamese Americans prove. And the Ulster Scots aren’t all characters from “Deliverance” in spite of your apparent prejudice.

    Your point about the neocons antecedents is well made. Personally I think he’ll be a positive influence on the Dems, but he’s a long way to go before he matches the late great Strom Thurmond and his Dixiecrats in changing the politics of the US

  • Duncan Shipley Dalton

    Watchman,

    Sorry about mentioning the winning side i forgot that you dont count as democratic anything that you dont agree with regardless of the majority vote. I reckon 10 victories in the UUC is winning myself.

    God no i wont be working for Hilary and i will certainly be voting against her in the primary. If she wins the primary campaign then the Dems lose the general election, she is just unelectable as President; unless the Republicans run Conrad Burns or something but i doubt even they are that stupid. Mind you they won’t pick McCain either, or Romney.

    I was hoping Warner would be in but now i am hoping Al Gore decides to come into it. Its a weak line up so far on the Dem side. Obama is just too new and has zero foreign policy experience, of course nor did Bush but that seems to prove the need as far as i can see.