Brazil remain top of FIFA rankings

Brazil remain top of the FIFA rankings issued today but world champions Italy are closing in fast. One other small thing, Northern Ireland are now ahead of the Republic of Ireland, in 45th place as opposed to 49th for Staunton’s team.

  • BP1078

    Mark
    Your definition of the award:

    “Not a UEFA award, not a best fans award. A town council award in memory football fans killed by racists that is given to improving racists.”

    And from the article you linked into:

    “Le Brussels International Supporters Award s’appuie sur les grands principes de l’éthique sportive. Il encourage le beau geste et récompense les projets qui vont dans ce sens.”

    My French is perhaps nowhere as good as your Mark, but I’d have translated that slightly differently.

    Not to worry (and if you check back, I’ve personally made no claims to us being the best fans in Europe or otherwise, self-praise is no praise and all that, just it’s nice to get the odd compliment from outsiders when we face so much hostility closer to home).

    Also on a final point of pedantry:

    “The only other winners were a Spanish club with a history a racism”

    Not quite true.
    It was first won by an anti-racist ultra group, la Pena Multicolor and having read up on some of their actions fighting anti-racism, I don’t think we have any reasin to feel ashamed at being their successor in receiving this award.

  • Mark

    Realist,

    It is indeed an endorsement of Rainey and his initiatives. For which people have a right to be proud.

    It isn’t a best fans award. It isn’t a UEFA award (those that claim that may as well say the IOC, the European Commission and Parliament gave the award too).

    The award is for initiatives to counter racism and sectarianism, is from Brussels City and is part of a project to remember the victims of Heysel.

    Spinning it as a best fans award does a disservice to the aim of the award which is to recognise and promote initiatives that deal with the worst elements of football.

  • Mark

    Just realised you can get the site in English.

    http://www.supportersaward.be/en/preambule

    (thats my contribution over, these threads go on too long)

  • George

    Doctor Who,
    deja vu with Fair Deal and the flag robbing pictures here. Maybe you are watching it from your cache but it has been removed from the YouTube site?

  • BP1078
  • Realist

    George,

    Try this now.

    Headed under “Ireland Fans In Main Square Stuttgart Square 2006”

    It worked for me, two minutes ago.

    Obviously not big fans of “all” Ireland.

    But sure, it’s only a bit of craic.

  • matt

    Do the bbc keep a news video archive ??

    It would be good to see the no surrender army outside old trafford singing the sash while being serenaded by a loyalist bagpiper.

  • tom

    “He would be held in the highest regard by Northern Ireland fans”

    Pat Jennings interviewed after The n.i dath threats against Neil Lennon

    “It’s sad the Neil Lennon situation,” he said. “For me there is no room for sectarianism in football, but if he’s receiving threats what else can he do? It’s just crazy and I experienced it right through my international career as a Catholic. I got a fair bit of stick, probably because I was closer to the support than any of the other players.”

  • BP1078

    The trolls are rattled!!!

  • Tom, genuine question, has it been specified anywhere that the threats eh refers to were coming from NI fans (given he said himself he was “closer to the support”) or from others; perhaps those who might have preferred Jennings to opt for another team?

  • BTW the link on page 8 wasn’t the right one, the one posted above by Realist seems to work.

  • George

    Doctor Who,
    Cheers, works fine now although I must say I was hoping for something with a bit more ooomph, if you know what I mean. Some witty ditty to better air the petty hatreds.

    “If you hate the Brits stand up, if you hate the Brits sit down” seems a bit like a yobo version of Mrs O’Grady says.

    But then again what more can one expect from the current crop of fans. I have noticed a distinct change in attitudes of the Republic’s fans in the last 10 years. A far cry from Euro 88 in Germany when they brought flowers for the riot police at the Soviet Union game.

    Now it’s more hoopy, loopy, if you know what I mean.

    P.S. I preferred the 10 German bombers in the air one from the yobo England fans in the same city (and every other German city by the looks of it) I found while looking for it.

    Down with this sort of thing. Life bans for them all.

  • Realist

    “the sash”

    A traditional, Irish, cultural song.

    One of the battles it commemorates was at The Boyne.

    The ROI Government have recently invested millions ensuring that this important part of Irish history is remembered, with the opening of a visitors centre etc.

    The flag of the Irish Republic is 1/3 orange – in recognition of the culture/tradition that lies behind “The Sash”.

    Gerry was “reaching out” last week at St Andrews, reminding us of this very point.

  • BP1078

    “Pat Jennings interviewed after The n.i dath threats against Neil Lennon”

    Tom I can’t find any link for that, can you help me out??

  • George

    Realist,
    indeed. I heard the Sash sung with gusto in a pub in Cork a few months ago in the presence of the hallowed Liam McCarthy Cup as it did its tour of the county. For some strange reason they only wanted the women with to drink from it.

    A great cheer from all present for the Sash before the singer set about singing the Broad Black Rimmer with equal gusto.

    What an evening.

  • eranu

    george, “Mrs O’Grady says” is that what they call “Simon says” down south? just wondering.

  • BP1078

    Christy Moore does a very passable version of the sash with a funny second verse borrowed from the Scottish nationalists

  • George

    Eranu,
    seems to be. I wouldn’t never think of using Simon says but then again I would never have thought of getting my dinner at school either. Oh these strange cultural nuances.

  • eranu

    strange indeed. did you know that in the south people ‘get sick’ but people in the north ‘be sick’? also people in the south ‘pare their pencil in a pencil parer’ and people in the north ‘sharpen their pencil in a pencil sharpener’? also, people in the south use ‘a scissors’ and people in the north use ‘a pair of scissors’
    thats nothing to do with Brazil or FIFA so i’d better stop there…. !

  • Mustapha Mond

    “Le Brussels International Supporters Award s’appuie sur les grands principes de l’éthique sportive. Il encourage le beau geste et récompense les projets qui vont dans ce sens.”

    “The Brusels International Supporters Award supports the principles of sporting ethics.
    The award encourages this fine gesture and rewards projects that head in this direction.”

    Translation fee =£20, (fiver a sentence).

  • Mustapha Mond

    Doh! tenner a sentence! its inflation lads.

  • Realist

    George,

    “indeed. I heard the Sash sung with gusto in a pub in Cork a few months ago in the presence of the hallowed Liam McCarthy Cup as it did its tour of the county”

    That’s heartwarming to hear – genuinely.

    I was at a meeting last evening discussing what constitutes “sectarian chanting” – difficult one!

    Everyone present had a different interpretation.

    To my mind, “The Sash” is a celebration of a tradition, which cites no offence to any other tradition – although, I believe it to be an inappropriate ditty at football matches.

    (I’m not a member of the Orange Order)

    On the other hand, “The Billy Boys”, or “No Pope In Rome” to my mind, are certainly offensive to another tradition.

    I maybe haven’t made my point very well, but do you get the gist of what I’m trying to say?

  • I’ve heard “the sash” sung on a couple of occasions in pubs in Cork too, (admittedly in a humourous manner) the melody of the tune is quite nice IMO. After all it’s in the repertoire of irish songs, both orange and green. Didn’t the dubliners cover “the ould orange flute” too, wiith Ronnie Drew’s funny/poor imitation of a Northern accent. Once thing many of the irish allover the island like to do is sing songs, especially when intoxicated, and they like to think they’re the next luke kelly and end up sounding more like ned kelly.
    Anyway lads, no offence taken about “the sash” I like the tune. Anything to bring our peoples together helps, even a sing-song.

  • lonely pint

    Some of the Long Kesh escapees celebrated making it over the border by singing a rousing rendition of the Sash to bemused locals in a bar in the 26 counties.

    No reason to believe that the singing was led by Steaknife, DD(insert the name of your own republican bogeyman at this point.)

    Close your eyes and it could have been Windsor………..

  • There was I think (older readers can help out!) a Blueman from NI who played for the ROI in the 80s though, I can’t remember the background
    Posted by BP1078 on Oct 20, 2006 @ 11:00 AM

    BP, I’m sure it was Alan Kernaghan IIRC whose parents came from the North. He played for NI at under age as far as I can remember, he switeched to the republic when Big ack was the manager.
    Jason McAteer had ancestors who came from the North as well, and he declared for the republic also.
    Kernaghan (by being a traitor and turncoat perhaps in NI fans eyes) as well as Terry phelan an Paul McGrath came in for special invective and abuse on that night of hate in November 1993 at Windsor Park.

  • John East Belfast

    kensei

    “However actively approaching those in another recognised football jurisdiction is out of order.”

    I fail to see why. If they don’t want to play for the Republic, they’ll refuse. You’ll lose no-one who doesn’t want to go.”

    It is called pissing in your neighbour’s pond.

    Accepting someone who makes their own free will choice is one thing but actively going after is out of order.

    We can either respect one another’s boundaries or we can live in constant antagonism.

    The Belfast Agreement laid down that respect on both sides and we would all be better off by sticking to it in every respect.

    It is also a sectarian matter.

    ie someobody in FAI automatically thinks a northern catholic’s politics are necessarily anti Northern Ireland therefore they approach them.

    The idea is simply out of order and if anyone in FAI is thinking along these lines then they shoudl really think twice.

  • gary

    The point is that these young lads have grown up supporting Ireland , its totally natural for them to want to play for their country.

    Some of those representing Ireland at u21 level from the North have said as much.

    Unionists need to get their heads round the fact that the vast majority of Nationalists in the North support Stauntons international team and have no interest in going to Windsor Park.

    n.i supporters would be better spending their time trying to clean up the continued sectarian chanting at n.i games.

  • kensei

    “Accepting someone who makes their own free will choice is one thing but actively going after is out of order.”

    Why? The person in question might not be aware the option is available. If he really wants to play for NI and not the Republic he won’t go. You don’t lose anyone who really wants to play for you.

    “ie someobody in FAI automatically thinks a northern catholic’s politics are necessarily anti Northern Ireland therefore they approach them.

    The idea is simply out of order and if anyone in FAI is thinking along these lines then they shoudl really think twice. ”

    I fail to see whty. It correlates fairly well with the ralitry of the suituation. But as I said, maybe they should just approach ALL the players as a matter of course. Thatw ould remove any sectaruian element.

  • Doctor Who

    Gary

    “Unionists need to get their heads round the fact that the vast majority of Nationalists in the North support Stauntons international team and have no interest in going to Windsor Park.”

    Maybe so but the vast majority of them have never set foot in Landsdowne Raod nor do they ever intend to.

    To they follow ROI because they see NI as Unionist, because I myself never think alomg those lines when I follow NI arond Europe.

  • Doctor Who

    Corkman

    Just to clear something up about Alan Kernaghan.

    He wanted to and represented Northern Ireland at every level other than senior level. When he was named in the senior squad, a bizarre set or circumstances arose.

    Although he was Northern Irish amd considered himself thus being brought up in Bangor, County Down he wasn´t born here. Then a look at his parents bithplace told the same story although they considered themselves also to be from Northern Ireland. All his grandparents where born and bred in Northern Ireland, his family had a long line of service in the British armed services. He and his parents where “accidentally” born outside the UK. Now at that time all the home nations did not adopt the grandparent rule, it was two years later before they used it.

    It was however at this time that the FAI then invented “the grandparent born in the North before the partition of Ireland rule”.. This was of course to widen their selection. Kernaghan came under that rule as did Jason McAteer.. Both having World Cup tickets waved in their faces and who can blame them.

    Kernaghan was told he didn´t qualify for NI and was desperate to play international football.

    It is worth noting that he decided to stop playing for the ROI after much abuse from a section of the fans.. who used his families links with the British armed services to unsettle him and ultimately intimidate him from the team, similar to the Neill Lennon affair only without the publicity and the propaganda.

    Now a generation later the FAi are running out of young talent in Great Britain and Northern Ireland whose grandparents where born in the North prior to partition, so instead now have decided to abuse the rules, piss off their neighbours and pick anyone..There are other factors as well such as some of these young players following the success of ROI 15 years ago, pressure from political groups in the North is also there, as is I am very sure financial incentives.

    Let´s hope common sense wins out and the buggers don´t get away with it.

  • John East Belfast

    kensei

    “Why?”

    and

    “I fail to see whty”

    I addressed these issues in my last post using words and phrases like pissing in your neighbour’s pond, respecting one another’s boundaries – just showing mutual respect and being good neighbours.

    As this clearly means nothing to you then lets approach it from a “shoe on the other foot” scenario.

    Let’s say some English couple come to Dublin and set up home and have a few children who in all respects become part of the ROI scene.
    It comes apparent to English FA that their son is the best thing football have seen in years and phone him up and suggest he plays for his parents and grand parent’s country.
    They will point out that with a bigger team like England he could play at a level way above the top 50 ranknings and might even go somewhere in a World or a European Championship.

    Are you honestly going to tell me that your reaction is going to be ach well “fair play to the English FA” ?

  • John East Belfast: The scenario you pain happens in Gemrany all the time where children of Turkish immigrants opt to play for Turkey. Also, you are speaking of immigrants. Most progressive people in the North of Ireland regard themselves as Irish, not British. They live in Ireland. They are Irish.
    A better analogy might have been British soldiers settling down in Belfast and their offspring opting to play for England. Say George Best’s parents were English. In the case of Best, the pity is he did not play for England, instead of a crap little team.

  • willowfield

    GARY

    The point is that these young lads have grown up supporting Ireland , its totally natural for them to want to play for their country.

    Why are they opting for ROI, then?

    THEGEORGE

    Most progressive people in the North of Ireland regard themselves as Irish, not British. They live in Ireland. They are Irish.

    And? Why would that mean they wouldn’t play for one of the Irish international teams?

  • wes

    “It is worth noting that he decided to stop playing for the ROI after much abuse from a section of the fans.. who used his families links with the British armed services to unsettle him and ultimately intimidate him from the team, similar to the Neill Lennon affair only without the publicity and the propaganda.”

    Absolute rubbish dr,

    You seem to be getting desperate, if you are making up stories about Alan Kernaghan.

  • wes

    Abuse ?? Kernaghan’s experiences at the hands of sectarian n.i supporters at Windsor Park 1993.

    Sod’s law would dictate that following Kernaghan’s clanger against Spain, qualification for USA 94 depended on the result against Northern Ireland at Windsor Park just over a month later. It was a poisonous night, with moronic racist abuse directed at Terry Phelan and McGrath, but the worst venom was reserved for Kernaghan. “It was probably the worst I felt personally in terms of a real cutting edge to the slagging. You could feel the venom in it but it didn’t bother me too much.”

    “Kernaghan, you’re a f****** Fenian turncoat”

    “‘Your mother’s the Pope’s whore’ and that sort of stuff. As low as low can get.

  • Doctor Who

    Wes

    “You could feel the venom in it but it didn’t bother me too much.”

    Can´t of been that bad then. You don´t provide any links for these quotes. Their is news items however with quotes from a disapointed Kernaghan about sectarian abuse at the hands of ROI, available on subsricption on the Irish Times site.

    Now I´m sure you have seen the evidence from Stutgart, the crescendo of hatred at Landsdowne Road aginst Israel still haunts me, you also know that Ni are officially the best fans in Europe.

    So Wes who are the racists.

  • wes

    Ni are officially the best fans in Europe.

    You mean they got an award for being less racist and sectarian. wow !!

  • Doctor Who

    Wes

    Are Mark in disguise, they got an award for the tremendous contribution to UEFA chrities and for upholding the spirit of the game.

    Instead of begrudging GAWA for this, why don´t you do something constructive and, perhaps organise benefits for UEFA approved charities in countries where ROI are playing.

    You never know maybe one day ROI will start to shake off their sectarian, racist and anti semetic image.

    Onwards and Upwards GAWA.

  • smcgiff

    The Republic’s hard fought defeat of San Marino has put the world to rights. And the ROI is once more ahead of NI.

  • Henry94

    Just in case the news doesn’t get a thread of its own.

    Ireland have moved to 46th in the table, leap-frogging Northern Ireland who have dropped to 49th.