Ding, Ding, Round Two…

Paisley is not to meet Gerry Adams face to face today, because of the ‘gap’ between his party’s understanding that outlined by the NIO. Ian Junior:”If there’s not delivery, I do not believe today’s meeting will be attended by Dr Paisley. I don’t think people want these arrangements to unravel, but if the government unravels them then the deal breaks because of them.”

  • Steaky

    Is JR now the official spokesman for The DUP? Every time there seems to be something controversial or negative to be said it seems to be delivered by him.

    Also “I do not believe today’s meeting will be attended by Dr Paisley” Can he not check? Surely he has his number or even could ask his mum what plans “Dr” has?

  • Greenflag

    Good man Paisley 🙂 See if you can get Adams to bend over a little more . By now if his head is’nt kissing his arse for the sake of a photo opportunity with the leader of the DUP his forelock is close .
    Be a man Adams and tell Paisley to go do something pleasant to himself !

  • circles

    “If there’s not delivery, I do not believe today’s meeting will be attended by Daddy” would have sounded much better Jr!

    What game is this now? “My daddy doesn’t know anymore if he wants to talk to you…”. Dr No needs to grow a pair and stand behind this decision. the traditional search for a loophole to squirm through and then blame it on somebody can no longer be an option, and hopefully the DUP electorate would share this opinion.
    If the DUP are only now discovering a “gap” in the “agreement”, then the rumours of the “gap” between their ears would appear to be true.

  • Unionist Mindset

    If Paisley and co have a problem with the “understanding” then that problem is with the NIO and Blair not SF. They should have gone ahead with the meeting and TRY and progress the latest agreement. These little speed bumps are part and parcel of politics yet the DUP actions have a very real chance of turning them into mountains.

  • George

    On the Last Word last night it was pretty clear that the southern listeners were 100 times more interested in the new electronic Irish passports than any deal on Northern Ireland.

    It may be round 2 but nobody is watching.

    If the DUP and SF fail to do a deal, the only people who care and who it will affect are the people who vote for them.

    The idea that the DUP can manoeuvre a situation where people will blame SF or where SF can manoeuvre one where DUP are blamed is fanciful.

    Most people in Ireland and Britain don’t even care if there is a deal or not never mind looking for someone to blame.

    Unionist mindset,
    it appears that Paisley Jr is blaming the British government for this “misunderstanding”.

  • Julian Robertson

    Is this the result of Blair’s verbal “assurances” being uttered to one party but not necessarily the other? Isn’t this reminiscent of Blair’s verbals doing for Trimble?

    Knowing his track record how come the DUP put any credibility on Blair’s spoken word alone? Just a thought.

  • bertie

    Julian

    not worth the paper they’re not written on.

  • Greenflag

    JulianR,

    ‘Is this the result of Blair’s verbal “assurances” being uttered to one party but not necessarily the other? Isn’t this reminiscent of Blair’s verbals doing for Trimble?’

    It’s also reminisicent of the janus faced Welsh Wizard -Lloyd George who had to lie out of both sides of his mouth in order to persuade Craig and Collins that he agreed with both .

    Plus ca change 🙁

    On the other hand how else could any British Prime Minister have been expected to find a ‘solution’ which could have been implemented in NI (2006) or in Ireland (1922). LLoyd George got his ‘expertise ‘ in duplicity from being involved in the Balkans and Ottoman Empire carve ups post WW1.

    George,

    ‘Most people in Ireland and Britain don’t even care if there is a deal or not never mind looking for someone to blame. ‘

    Correct. Many of us in the Republic are still in awe/gobsmacked of Dermot Desmond selling off London city Airport for over a billion pounds sterling having invested a mere 35 million just a decade ago . Now that’s what I call a return on investment and a ‘deal’ .

    Question :

    ‘What have George Soros and Dermot Desmond got in common ‘

    Answer :

    The former took the Bank of England for a billion and the latter took the City of London for the same amount 🙂

    The DUP/SF musical chair performance has been for a long time a ‘bore’. The very idea of Paisley as First Minister of NI is a throwback to the Dark Ages .

    Adams should leave the DUP alone until Paisley’s ‘successor ‘ is in place .

  • lib2016

    The DUP/Sinn Fein partnership was always going to be difficult. The reason why those two parties are in a position to form such a partnership is because they have the committment to take on difficult jobs.

    Time is running out for unionism and they need a deal now if the are to have any leverage, likewise the present leadership of Sinn Fein won’t last forever.

    There is a new generation for whom McGuinness, Adams, Robinson, Empey et al are old men. Heaven alone knows what they make of Paisley.

    Even Bertie couldn’t let it go for all his ‘one-of-the-boys’ persona. Republicans will know where and when the remark about waiting 800 years became famous.

  • circles

    Greenflag:
    If what you claim is true, that the south is so busy staring in admiration at a billion pounds to actually care about whats happening in the north, I really am not surprised.
    Sure when the war was raging, really major events were lucky to get the bottom corner of page 7 or so. The fact that the south is not looking has never stopped things happening before, and hopefully won’t this time either.

    Indeed I think any moves towards reunification would only be welcomed if it didn’t touch wallets at all. Anything like the German style “solidarity tax” would be more likely to copper fasten partition than anything perfidious Al and his double entendres could come up with.

  • parcifal

    “Mind the gap”.. the refrain at the London Tube.
    Perhaps this “swearing in” for Shadow FM and DFM is an ill-conceived idea, Sinn Fein require endorsement from their supporters before an oath can be taken.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “the traditional search for a loophole to squirm through and then blame it on somebody can no longer be an option, and hopefully the DUP electorate would share this opinion.”

    ..or put another way, the DUP are doing to this Agreement what the Shinners did to the last- exploiting the “constructive ambiguity” for their own agenda. Get used to it. There’s going to be a lot more. And if you don’t like it, you shouldn’t have shafted the poor old Trimblies for four years and set the precedent.

  • Greenflag

    Circles,

    ‘Indeed I think any moves towards reunification would only be welcomed if it didn’t touch wallets at all. ‘

    There is some truth in that . It’s not that people in the Republic won’t cough up a penny but they have seen how both sets of politicians up North have pissed through 6 billion a year for decades and there’s essentially feck all to show for it . Another 500,000 was squandered on the St Andrews ‘photo ‘opportunity .

    Comparisons with Germany are unrealistic . West Gewrmany’s economy was 20 times or more the size of East Germany’s and it’s population almost 4 times that of East Germany . The Irish Republic’s economy is approx 5 times that of NI and it’s population 2.5 times that of NI . In addition the NI economy is 70% public sector dependent.

    Repartition is much more affordable not to mention politically practicable .

    Eric Waugh wrote a piece in the BT the other day which I thought laid down clearly the democratic ‘defects’ of this NI Assembly charade .

    Personnally I’d like to see all of the feckers out on the street after Nov 24th . Try again in a generation or two -In the meantime Direct Rule and plan B will do for most people in NI.

  • George

    “or put another way, the DUP are doing to this Agreement what the Shinners did to the last- exploiting the “constructive ambiguity” for their own agenda. Get used to it. There’s going to be a lot more. And if you don’t like it, you shouldn’t have shafted the poor old Trimblies for four years and set the precedent.”

    It’s not that people don’t like it, people don’t care Darth. This is cutting your nose off to spite your face stuff.

    Northern Ireland has fallen further behind in the last decade due to this agenda exploiting and now you seem cockahoop at the prospect of spending another ten so your side can now exploit their one.

    All I can say is that you obviously are over 30 and settled in your ways. Otherwise the thought of another 10 years of stagnation like the last 10 would horrify you.

  • Butterknife

    If we still have, in theory, an assembly then in theory we still a first minister. Is it still Lord Trimble?