Patten: 124 of 175 recommendations implemented

Police Oversight Commissioner, Al Hutchinson, has urged Sinn Féin to endorse the PSNI. Gerry Moriarty in the Irish Times reports (subs needs):

“It remains the case that collective politics has failed policing in Northern Ireland, not the reverse,” he said.

Mr Hutchinson said 124 out of the 175 Patten recommendations had been implemented and many of those not fully competed were in train, such as reaching a 30 per cent target for Catholics in the police.

“While challenges still remain, with the exception of the devolution of policing powers to the Northern Ireland Assembly, the devolution of authority and decision-making has, generally, been accomplished,” he said.

  • Pete Baker

    As Al Hutchinson said in June this year, at the publication of his previous report..

    Mr Hutchinson said the reforms were irreversible and had gone so far that there was nothing to stop Sinn Fein joining the Policing Board.

    He said the political judgement from Sinn Fein that the time was right to act was the only thing needed.

    “Virtually everything is on a good track to improvement, and I don’t know why they would hesitate in joining from a practical perspective,” he said.

  • heck

    and blacks in the american south in the 1950s and 1960s should have had to endorse the Alabama state troopers before they could hold elective office???????

  • darth rumsfeld

    well only if the blacks in question were the largest criminal gang in Alabama at that time, and had a track record of murdering their fellow citizens.

    tsk tsk. You try so hard to apear oppressed, and then one stupid attempt at MOPEry blows the whole whinge to buggery

  • heck

    darth

    yea- and if only the alabama state troopers had the support of the federal government and the US Army to launch a murder campaign against Blacks.

    Could you imagine if some white politican had said that black communities had a “culture of criminality” and they must support the local racist sheriff before they can hold elective office. He would rightly be seen as a racist!!

    and don’t forget the RUC/UVF have a worse record than the police in the racist US south of the 60s.

  • suil eile

    Sinn Féin will loose their grass roots support if they join before full implementation of the Patten report. I hope they don’t as I wouldn’t trust the police as far as I could throw one – not that I ever have even tried.

  • DK

    So, of the 51 remaining – are there any that are causing specific problems. What are they?

  • darth rumsfeld

    remind us again of the name of the black paramilitary organisation in Alabama heck….I seem to have forgotten its name.

    “Could you imagine if some white politican had said that black communities had a “culture of criminality” and they must support the local racist sheriff before they can hold elective office. He would rightly be seen as a racist!!”

    I’m sure some of them did make similar objectionable comments, and I’m sure they were racists. Your point still doesn’t stand up.And of course all black politicians in USA support the police, whatever their reservations about individual policemen. But keep on trying to be oppressed- surely it’s time to trot out the decrepit old KKK=LOL horse for one last hurrah-or can’t you think outside cliches?

  • piebald

    Sinn Fein will sell their members and supporters short if they sign up to the PSNI Policing Boards EVEN if devolution of policing powers to the Assembly is completed.

    Why?, well just like previous attempts at Assembly devolution the ultimate power remains with the British Government and they can repeal any such powers should they wish to do so.

    Also “Political Policing” takes place in all democratic countries and it won’t stop here just because SF sits on a board.

    The Sinn Fein leadership is taking Irish Republicanism down a suicidal cul de sac and that is why its opponents are trying so hard to bag the Policing Board membership

    piebald

  • heck

    darth

    let me get your argument right. The nationalist population should support the PSNI/UVF because over a decade ago the IRA waged war against the state even though the same PSNI has cooperated over the same period this the most brutal murder gangs imaginable.

    Should ‘nt the nationalist people support the PSNI/UVF when THEY are convinced that the PSNI/UVF has rid itself of those who cooperate with and protect secterian murderers, when THEY are conviced that structures are in place to make sure it can never happen again, when THEY are convinced such activities can never happen again, and when the PSNI/UVF has PROVEN that it will impartially uphold the law-especially against agents acting in the name of the state.

    other wise loyalist and British calls on nationalist to support the PSNI/UVF are no diffent that telling the local black commumity in Mississippi that they have to support the local police force before they can hold elective office.

    PS and I will believe aldershite’s IMC is impartial when I see a report on the PSNI law breaking.

  • NIckyG

    Hi everyone.. first post ever on Slugger!

    This is interesting (the Patten implementations, not my first posting!)..

    This basically means that there remains a third of Patten not implemented.. is this not exactly what Sinn Fein have been saying? I don’t see how it can be spun another way..

    Don’t get me wrong, it seems a half decent rate of implementation, but the fact that the full implementation of the Patten report was the compromise reached doesn’t mean that 70% of a compromise is success.. I hope we don’t see this being twisted, though I won’t hold my breath.

    I am also worried by the claims that are being circulated that SF are behind attacks on the policing board members. I think McDonnell is being highly disengenious, and is playing a very dirty game.. okay, politics is a dirty game, but the fact that his claims are of dubious accuracy clearly designed to be an underhanded manouvering rather than a genuine complaint should not be forgotten.

  • kensei

    “Why?, well just like previous attempts at Assembly devolution the ultimate power remains with the British Government and they can repeal any such powers should they wish to do so.”

    At which point they should leave the board and withdraw support. Until such an overrule occurs, they should run with it when all pieces are in place.

  • darth rumsfeld

    No, heck
    my argument is
    1 stop hiding behind pisspoor wannabe victim analogies,
    2 stop whining about the nationalist people’s right to be in government when you’re not prepared to support and join the forces tasked with enforcing the laws the Shinner wannabe ministers are drooling to make and
    3 stop pretending that the Provos aren’t up to their oxters in criminality- or had you forgotten they killed more of your fellow citizens in the past 35 years than anyone else.

    Oh, and are we Alabamans or Mississipians now? Please let me know just which bunch of rednecks your tedious comparison is intending to invoke. Personally I’ve always had a soft spot for South Carolina

  • Nevin

    It would be nice if the OC published the report on the website around the same time that he speaks to the media. Maybe it was just an oversight 😉

  • heck

    comparing unionists to southern whites
    the PSNI/RUC to the mississippi sheriffs
    the rev Ian to racist southern preachers (Bob Jones any one?)

    na how could anyone make such a claim. I’ve never heard such an analogy before!!!

    all those academics who link “red neck” culture to the scots irish culture–well they just don’t know what they are talking about!!

  • DK

    Unionists are like the whites in racist america? That’s not a bad analogy – they kept the nationalists (Blacks) oppressed through laws that stopped them voting and used the police to discriminate against them. The British army could be the state troopers, and the British Government could be the Federal forces that came in and kicked the locals into accepting one man one vote. Then after 1968 we need to find a new analogy for the IRA – what about, the IRA are the equivalent of the Khmer Rouge: they fight against the dominant class, they are supported by a substantial section of the population, but ultimately they just end up killing loads of people on all sides.

  • darth rumsfeld

    nah, couldn’t have Gerry Adams compared to Pol Pot, couod we DK?

  • Nevin

    OC Report 27 (pdf format)

  • marty

    comparing unionists to southern whites
    the PSNI/RUC to the mississippi sheriffs
    the rev Ian to racist southern preachers (Bob Jones any one?)

    heck,
    you are NORAID and i claim my £5

  • piebald

    “At which point they should leave the board and withdraw support. Until such an overrule occurs, they should run with it when all pieces are in place.” Kensei

    if SF sign up to policing in NI then the game is up

    these overtures are creating a lot of anger and faultlines within IR

    what is the point of abstentionism from Westminister if Irish Republicans endorse British law which is formulated and rubber stamped from there ?

    the PSNI could TODAY police the North effectively if they so chose

    far too much – much too soon

    piebald