Defenders of the “white British community”

Reports of racist attacks are commonplace in the local media, and the issue was the focus for a Belfast Telegraph report yesterday. Such attacks have occured right across the north of Ireland in the past, as the report illustrates. But a number of political representatives have been criticised in the past for making (at best) remarks which amounted to less than forthright criticism of the perpetrators of such incidents, and (at worst) highly controversial remarks which could be interpreted as incitement or plainly derogatory.

In his latest controversial pronouncements to the Antrim Guardian newspaper (not online), Antrim-based UPRG spokesman Darren Smyth has had a go at the ethnic minority community in the town, claiming that there was evidence of “growing criminality” within minority communities (oh the irony!), before asserting that he would always look after “the white British community” before any other.

The leading loyalist further alleged that the Eastern Europeans in the town “are all devout Catholics…you only have to look at the number of foreign nationals who are at Mass on Sunday morning-” although he did not elaborate on the sources for this information.

Whilst Mr. Smyth is not an elected figure within the borough, his comments are worthy of note, given the close relationship between the UPRG and the UDA.

  • Southern Observer

    [i]So far as I recall, Trimble’s “pathetic, sectarian, mono-ethnic, monocultural state” remarks were not a direct comparator with Northern Ireland. Ruth Dudley Edwards has the gist of his explanation[/i]
    Michael,
    I don’t wish to derail the thread but the point must be made that this particular article stands out as one of the (thankfully)rare scurrilous pieces of apologetics that has appeared in the Irish Times in the past 5 years or so.It lead me trying to remonstrate at length with the writer in question via private e mail correspondence.I was banging my head against a brick wall !
    With all due respects this sits uneasily with your definitive role as impartial moderator.As I said I don’t wish to divert the thread so I will not get involved in a prolonged dogfight.

  • Crataegus

    Only slightly connected but was speaking to a member of a ‘fringe’ reform church today and according to him their congregation has been increased by, it was either 37 or 44, Poles this year alone. He was absolutely delighted and regards them as good up standing citizens. Also I know of some Poles who are setting up an advisory business to help others come here, find accommodation, form filling and all that. With another 5-10 years of this and places like Tigers Bay may become little Warsaw. I had the option to buy a considerable number of houses in that area at one time and thought NO WAY, but perhaps time to reconsider. Certainly they are moving in to areas where I used to think the redevelopment problems virtually unsolvable and I am glad to see their presence. Good enterprising lot if you ask me.

    As for the local Neanderthals they are associating one set of circumstances and applying to another. In the past Catholic to them equals Nationalist and Protestant Unionist even though there were lots of exceptions. Now in an Irish context that made some sense in a general sort of way, but a Pole does not have the same background as someone from the Falls and whilst devoutly catholic probably couldn’t care a toss about a United Ireland. Why should they?

    Now I know it is difficult to teach some mutts new tricks, but I would have thought a better approach would have been to openly welcome these people into their community and make them feel at home here. In the end it may be that apathetic old bastards like myself and descendants of foreign immigrants are the ones that decide the future of NI and not the zealots of either side who have inflicted misery on us for so long. God definitely has a sense of humour.

  • Brenda

    Now paul did anyone say there was no problem with racism or that it wasn’t there? BTW who are the funny coloured people you mention?

    What i said was that after 30 yrs of civil strife the adjustments being made by ordinary people have been good. Our society is on the way to a little bit of multi culturalism. However, you and others of the same mind set would rather dwell on these attacks and nothing else. Nothing positive.

    How can he be a disgrace to his party and besmirch their platform when he is not a member of a political party but a group linked to the UDA as chris donnelly has already pointed out? Can they be besmirched?
    ‘So does anyone have any bright ideas for solving the problem?’
    I note you omited your bright ideas.

  • British

    To be honest I’d sooner be defended by Genghis Khan… the extortion costs would be a lot cheaper to, a few goats and the odd virgin I imagine.
    Who needs enemys…

  • British

    “growing criminality” within minority communities (oh the irony!),”

    More like rank hypocrisy!

  • Greenflag

    Crataegus,

    ‘God definitely has a sense of humour.’

    Sure has. Probably still laughing at the Rwanda/Burundi genocide and the former Yugoslav minor replica . It was the same funny coloured people in both parts of the world which did the killing -black against black in Rwanda and white against white in Yugoslavia .

    So it’s not just skin colour then is it ?
    Maybe religion ? ? Well maybe but then there was that Iraq and Iran war a 15 years back when over a million died. And they were all devout Muslims . Europe’s Christians have a bloody centuries old record as well . Maybe it just happens when skin colour and religion are on opposite sides then ? But then I’m reminded of all those bush baptist KKK lads who shared the same basic religion as the black African Americans they lynched ?

    And then there’s Northern Ireland? Well at this point I think God might be about just be ready to stop laughing and start crying . Assuming he/she/it exists and even if existent actually cares one way or the other.

  • Crataegus

    Greenflag

    A two leg stool is definitely unstable but add another leg and magic!

    I think a bit of complexity would be beneficial in the context of NI. It has become an inward looking place.

  • Dualta

    Crat

    [i](NI) It has become an inward looking place. [/i]

    Sure is chum. So much so it has got its head up its own arse…..and guess what you’ll find up there?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Couple of points, Greenflag:

    Historically, the overwhelming number of lynchings occurred under the time when the Southron Protestant Ulster Scot was a loyal blue-dog Democrat. Secondly, the only open Klukker in Federal political that I am aware is Senator Byrd of West Virginia — a Democrat.

    Lastly, the difference is fundamental — its tribal.

    *heh*

    the security password is “love26″… chalk one more for life’s little ironies.

  • Greenflag

    ‘It has become an inward looking place. ‘

    Has become ?? I’d say it always was and I would include in that a long historical period prior to the establishment of the NI State . Not so much the people’s fault but the direct result of history , geography , political conquest and religion.

    ‘but add another leg and magic! ‘

    Perhaps but then I ‘m reminded of the yarn about the Jewish chap who when accosted by some thugs on a Belfast street as to the nature of his sectarian identity replied somewhat smugly that he was Jewish . He was then asked whether he was a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew . ?

    A third leg is of course more stable but four is better . The fourth leg has to be a permanent constitutional solution -IMO.

  • Little Eva

    Dread Cthulhu
    Absolutely right.
    The racist south was overwhelmingly democrat until LBJ actually introduced the race reforms that the high-talking but do-nothing Kennedy brothers hadn’t the balls to. LBJ talked of the Democrats “losing the south for generations” but still had the guts to push through the reforms.

  • Greenflag

    ‘Lastly, the difference is fundamental—its tribal. ‘

    Is it ? Would that explain then the Russian massacres of fellow Russians in the 1930s under Stalin or the “winners’ of the American Revolution booting out the Empire Loyalists to the West Indies, Canada and back to England ?
    The fact that the above were of the same ‘tribe’ was no consolation to the losers . Same for Irish Republicans and Free Staters in the Civil War here.

    I think we can add tribe to skin colour to religion to political ideology and there may be some other ‘rationalisations ‘ out there to ‘explain’ man’s inhumanity to man .

  • Fanny

    Oh all right then, since we’re on a roll here, I’ll add sex/gender.

    For the life of me I can’t think of any notable marauding bands of women slaughtering people for one reason or another. But I’m open to contradiction.

  • Greenflag

    Fanny ,

    You haven’t met the mother in law – code name ‘Vulture ‘ Doesn’t even wait till your dead before she starts gnawing . She’s a herd all by herself 🙁 Time to chill .

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Greenflag: “Is it ? Would that explain then the Russian massacres of fellow Russians in the 1930s under Stalin or the “winners’ of the American Revolution booting out the Empire Loyalists to the West Indies, Canada and back to England ? ”

    What defines a “tribe?”

    Tribes can differntiate on the smallest of differences, be they racial (Japanese vs. Korean), Political (Colonial vs. Loyalist), Class (Russian Prole vs. Russian peasant).

    Ultimately, its a group of people one identifies with. The word for enemy in many culture derives from the concept “not of my tribe.” The basic definition of “tribe” is “us.”

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Little Eva: “The racist south was overwhelmingly democrat until LBJ actually introduced the race reforms that the high-talking but do-nothing Kennedy brothers hadn’t the balls to. LBJ talked of the Democrats “losing the south for generations” but still had the guts to push through the reforms. ”

    And one should look at who voted in favor of it — Republicans and Northern Democrats.

    Lying Bastard Johnson was a complex figure, but one must give credit where credit it due. For whatever reasons — there were likely several — he did what he perceived as being right.