No quiet on the Leopold Street front

Despite a series of successful and peaceful parades and substantially peaceful counter-demonstrations, not all have enjoyed a good summer. Residents of Leopold Street have suffered a “five week barrage” of metal, concrete, stones and bottles. One attack lasted four hours. The Shankill Mirror reports that in one week four wheelie bins were filled with debris and that despite the work of Ardoyne Fleadh, the attacks intensified that week.

  • canwebanulstermanplease

    yet another depressing story of sectarian attacks. it must be hell for these residents living through this. to have your home attacked once is bad but for 5 weeks?
    my own home was attacked twice in another area of north belfast and that was enough for me. i moved house pretty quickly.

  • rubberneck

    I wonder if those so keen to bash the UVF in the next thread have read this thread…there are still alot of issues to be addressed for loyalists, coming out and telling people that they believe the IRA’s war is now over was a brave step and should be commended.

  • seabhac siulach

    These attacks are to be condemned. But what is their relevance to the global picture this summer, e.g., to the many attempts of burning (and attempted murder of) families in their homes in many parts of the 6 counties, including one in which a central heating oil tank was set alight and many others involving petrol bombs. The PSNI have repeatedly refused to report many of these incidents as sectarian (for obscure reasons best known to themselves)…so it is hard to know which side was mainly being targetted (but I could hazard a good guess, based on historical patterns). Not being a big reader of the Newsletter, can we assume that equivalent attacks on other areas, apart from those adjoining nationalist enclaves, get equal coverage?

  • fair_deal

    coverage

    Their coverage of the particular incident you mentioned

  • Dec

    I wonder if those so keen to bash the UVF…

    Candidate for ‘Quote of the Week’, surely?

  • mnob

    So SS is this the bit where I’m supposed to demand where the condemnation from nationalist politicians is ?

    Maybe we could design a bot so that none of us would need to bother posting.

  • Yokel

    SS just admit you don’t care as long as it isn’t on your side of the fence.

    This forum needs some honesty rather than mealy mouthed bull.

    Isn’t there a way of filtering posts to rule out all all posts starting with sentences like, ‘These things should be condemned but..’

    I can see why the Indo said this was Northern bore, most people in the South by and large must be a mix if bored, having a laugh and/or horrifed.

  • rubberneck

    “I wonder if those so keen to bash the UVF…”

    My point being that the UVF are trying to change thus why slam them and make cheap shots when they are sticking their necks out and saying something positive and constructive?

    The IRA had the worlds leaders cajoling them, flattering them and encouraging them to start making the trek down the road away from war, yet the loyalists are ignored at best and put down at worst. There are people within the UVF taking huge personal risks to move forward and being everyone with them, they should be encouraged not scorned and denigrated.

  • seabhac siulach

    In reply to mnob and Yokel:

    “SS just admit you don’t care as long as it isn’t on your side of the fence.”

    Of course, I care…why would I not…do you think I condone the action of throwing stones at people’s houses? It could be my house or anyone’s house the next time…

    My post was not whataboutery, mnob, nor a mere attempt at playing them’uns and us’uns…
    I merely wonder as to the point of posting a report on this stone throwing in isolation of other more serious incidents in recent days…
    Is it a skewed attempt at balance, an attempt to show that catholics are not the only victims? (Even if attempted murder from petrol bombs and oil tank fires are slightly more serious than broken windowns).
    If one did not follow the news closely, one could even take from that piece posted by Fair Deal that only those areas adjacent to the Ardoyne have suffered sectarian attacks. That there is only a single victim group, those on Leopold St…even that the majority of sectarian attacks are directed at Protestant areas (which may or may not be correct…look through the news coverage for clues on this one…you’ll soon see a glaring pattern, all pointing in one direction…).

    So, we know from the report that Leopold St. has been stoned, but so what? What is the context?? Surely, it is the definition of bias to post a story from only ‘one side’…without filling in the details of other events happening elsewhere.
    That is my point.

  • Peking

    “Surely, it is the definition of bias to post a story from only ‘one side’…without filling in the details of other events happening elsewhere.”

    Exactly what I have been saying about that rag Daily Ireland for ages now.

  • aquifer

    Arrests for this kinda crap would be real news.

  • Occasional Commentator

    “If one did not follow the news closely, one could even take from that piece posted by Fair Deal that only those areas adjacent to the Ardoyne have suffered sectarian attacks”
    – seabhac siulach

    Ballex

  • Billy

    Peking/Occasional Commentator

    I agree about the Daily Ireland which I have no time for. However, the DUP (sorry) News Letter is every bit as bad. Their favourite phrase is “tit for tat”. Indeed, if you take FDs headline post – you would think that these attacks on Leopold street were the only ones that happened. The News Letter loves to perpetuate the myth about Ethnic cleansing against Protestants – as if there hadn’t been thousands of attacks against Catholic properties in North Belfast and elsewhere.

    Interestingly, in 2004, Channel 4 news did a story about these sort of attacks in North Belfast – the statistical ratio over that summer was > 9 attacks on Catholic houses for 1 attack on a Protestant house – as Jon Snow pointed out to David Ervine at the time -hardly “tit-for-tat”.

    ALL of these attacks should be reported and condemned and the scum involved should be reported
    to the authorities.

    Criticising a publication for partisan reporting is quite right but not if one ignores a publication that is just as guilty just because it’s on “your side”.

  • Anna Dale

    SS
    “Surely, it is the definition of bias to post a story from only ‘one side’…without filling in the details of other events happening elsewhere.”

    Well, yes and you’ve commented something along the same lines on Chris Donnelly’s post above haven’t you 😉

    Billy

    Fully agree about what you’re saying about biased news sources, unfortunately most of us here will believe what we want to believe and the papers like Daily Ireland and the Shankill Mirror simply take advantage of that fact.

    Do you have a link for that Channel 4 report you mentioned?

  • Occasional Commentator

    It’s not biased to not give all the details of other events elsewhere and all the so-called “context”. If it was, every article would have to cover everything that happened throughout the last 35/75/800 years. The story was about Leopold street, and that’s that. I don’t see any problem with that particular article or with the other link Fair Deal posted about loyalist violence.

    Individual articles are supposed to concentrate on the news event that inspired that article.

    Billy, I made no comment about Daily Ireland. I haven’t read any of the local papers enough to be certain what I think of them. The DI would claim to be on “my” side, but I am still happy to defend the News Letter over this article at least.