Labour’s five deadly sins – according to Clarke

In a pre-conference article for the New Stateman, Charles Clarke, has outlined the five key areas of concern for the Labour party. He highlights problems with gpublic sector reform, business, environmental, civil liberties and foreign policy.

  • Crataegus

    The points are valid but I cannot see a government under Blair having the ability to address any of these issues with credibility. The Blair administration could perhaps be summed up as one with a lack of management skill. It does not seem to comprehend that saying something and enacting it are two very different things. Would a government under Brown be much better?

  • Frustrated Democrat

    The labour government will be seen with clear hindsight as the government which:-

    – taxed everthing that moved
    – did nothing for the poor or unemployed except class them as retrainees or long term invalids to massage their figures
    – destroyed pensions excpet for civil servants and themselves
    – poured money into the NHS for little or no return
    – took the UK into 3 wars where they should not have been and cost mant lives incluidng Mr Kelly
    – bent over backwards to appease SF/IRA after they signed the GFA
    – made the Conservatives look like rank amateurs in the slease department
    – destroyed manufacturing in the UK

    a record to be proud of or one that should make them hang their heads in shame? – you can judge.

  • Crataegus

    FD

    I see you share my passion for New Labour

    I was wondering if one of the problems with governments generally was an over representation of the legal professions and therefore a limited pool of expertise, outlooks and backgrounds.

  • fair_deal

    Crataegus

    “an over representation of the legal professions”

    I do not know for certain if Labour has the legal over-representation you mention. If true it would certianly explain their love of legislation

  • Hidden gem

    Frustrated Democrat

    It could equally be said of the Conservative government that they are remembered for :-

    – sleaze
    – their small minded, anti-European views
    – the stationing of missiles at Greenham Common
    – their failed Youth Training Scheme
    – having privatised any industry they could get Saatchi & Saatchi to spin for them….
    – having done everything for the privileged and nothing for the disadvantaged ,
    – having provoked public demonstrations on a mass scale e.g. Poll tax, Miners Strike,Toxteth,
    – having restricted the rights of civil servants to join a trade union
    – having taken the UK into the Falklands War, the Gulf War,
    – having too many failed policies on local government taxation
    – having mishandled the economy to the point where interest rates rose to of 15%
    – having introduced the woefully unfair Poll Tax
    – having bent over backwards to appease small minded little Britain Tory attitudes
    – having promoted private health care for the wealthy and, at the same time, under funding the NHS
    – …and that’s before we even start on Ireland!

    … a record to be proud of or one that should make the Tories hang their heads in shame? You decide!

  • Frustrated Democrat

    Hidden Gem

    This is a tread about the Labour party, criticising the Conservatives for what you believe they did 10 – 25 years ago does not answer the failings of the Labour party in the period 1997-2006.

    A defence of the points I made would be more constructive.

    BTW the Gulf and Falklands wars bear no comparison to Afghan, Kosovo and Iraq as the first two were in response to invasions by Iraq and Argentina of Kuwait and the Falklands the other three were interference in the internal politics of other countries in conjunction with the USA.

  • Alan

    Sorry, Crat, but those points don’t hold water.

    To start off with the country now has the lowest inflation for thirty years and the lowest mortgage rates for forty years – saving homeowners an average of £3,700 a year compared to the Tory years. We have had the longest period of sustained growth for 200 years.

    – taxed everthing that moved

    All governments tax – Cameron now wants to substantially increase green taxes.

    – did nothing for the poor or unemployed except class them as retrainees or long term invalids to massage their figures

    Over 1.5 million working people are better off thanks to the National Minimum Wage. The number of people in work is at a record level, up by over 2 million since 1997. Missed targets on child poverty, certainly, but at least they had targets.

    – destroyed pensions excpet for civil servants and themselves

    This started with the Tories when they cut Serps and bribed people to go private. Then the big private companies started ripping their workers off – it wasn’t government.

    – poured money into the NHS for little or no return

    There are now 19,300 more doctors and over 77,500 more nurses working with modern equipment in the NHS, giving faster access to more people, all free at the point of need.

    – took the UK into 3 wars where they should not have been and cost mant lives incluidng Mr Kelly

    Actually, the war is about holding some kind of western unity together while we wait on the exit of Bush and his neo-con puppet masters.

    – bent over backwards to appease SF/IRA after they signed the GFA

    And SF would argue differently, so the balance was about right.

    – made the Conservatives look like rank amateurs in the slease department

    No-one supports graft or sleaze – funding political parties is a problem, unless you take a leaf out of the RM’s book.

    – destroyed manufacturing in the UK

    Nonsense – ever heard of globalisation?

  • Hidden Gem

    Frustrated Democrat

    This thread is about the five key areas of concern for the Labour party, as outlined by Charles Clarke. Your facile criticisms of the Labour Party sound like they could have been taken directly from the Torygraph Telegraph instead of a well considered and logical argument. They are facile and overly simplistic. My point was to show that equally simplistic jibes can be made about the Tories. Your criticisms of Labour do not stand up and Alan has beaten me to showing why each of them is invalid. The Labour Party is not beyond criticism and has made some big mistakes, both here and nationally but let’s raise the bar little here? Hypocritical jibes from small absent minded Tories counts for little given the legacy of the last Conservatives government.