IRA put an end to ‘Dissident Convention’…

Republican dissident Paddy Murray claimed that the IRA was stifling debate when they allegedly moved to stop a convention of various dissident paramilitary groups in Toome last night.

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  • jim

    It doesnt really say much about the so-called tough dissidents, perhaps the media coverage had more to do with it…

  • Meanwhile, Dominic McGlinchey (another organiser)claims that there is no split in Sinn Féin and that the provisional republican movement’s members were welcome at the meeting. Could it be that there is dissent in the dissidents?

  • “we aren’t leadership led, we’re not a dictatorship.”

    They aren’t led by anyone, they are a rabble of missfits.

    Any talk of a split within Sinn Féin is nonsense and wishfull thinking on some people’s part.

  • Garibaldy

    Does this mean a united Ireland will be a cold house for dissidents?

  • ftp

    This shows that the Provo Free Staters have not stopped violence. Scogg all you like but the Provos have again shown their horns. They are the real threat to democrascy in Ireland.

  • Brenda

    They must feel threatened by debate. Its a pity SF has to defend its self by doing stuff like this.

    I must have got it wrong, I thought the shinners were all for talking!!

  • dee

    Ourselve alone!

  • Northsider

    Er… might be an idea for Mick to put the entire headline in quotation marks given that the source for this is one person – Paddy Murray. Currently on bail on kidnapping charges.

    and that it conflicts with what McGlinchey and others are saying.

  • heck

    “DUP MP Jeffrey Donaldson welcomed the fact the meeting was off”

    so much for freedom of speech or the “rule of law” as long as they are shutting down upity fenians. How long before we hear the slogan DUP/IRA.

    I agree with brenda. I guess Chris Gaskin is agreeing with wee jeffrey.

  • Dualta

    It’s quite possible that the owner of the hotel just pulled it, seeing that his business was getting seriously bad publicity.

    However, if it’s true that the PRM was involved in behind the scenes shenanigans, then I wouldn’t be at all surprised.

    Chris Gaskin:

    [i]they are a rabble of missfits[/i]

    This comment is not one of your better ones Chris. I think you know as well as I do that there are some decent and honorable people involved there. They are wrong in their beliefs, but they are no different than the members of the PRM once were.

  • DaithiO

    Why not wait for the “alledgedly” to turn into fact before commenting ?

    Whataboutery just about sums up 90% of posts here these days.

  • Glen Taisie

    Can someone please comment on the reported abduction of Sinn Fein MLA Philip McGuigan.

    Was it a, because of his appointment by Denis Donaldson?
    b, due to a massive online gambling debt?
    c,or did his car simply breakdown and he wondered off leaving the keys and car open with mobile phone and diary intact?

  • Jo

    I fail to see what is either decent or honourable – post-Omagh – about anyone, anyone at all, being involved with this group or these groups. I havent fogotten what these people did then or what was said by certain individuals about continuing their “campaign” in the immediate aftermath of August 1998, or how they ran like the rats they were, fearing that their own children would suffer a similar fate to that which they inflicted on Irish English and Spanish children.

    Lying low and hoping to get away with similar carnage under the umbrella of “an alternative strategy” doesn’t make these people any less damnable than they were eight years ago.

  • ernieomalley

    but they are no different than the members of the PRM once were

    It would be far more accurate to say they are no different now than as the members of the PRM they once were, unlike Chris Gaskin, who is a johnny-come-lately in comparison to the men and women under discussion.

  • GT-

    “Can someone please comment on the reported abduction of Sinn Fein MLA Philip McGuigan.”

    Maybe it’s just an attempt to re-enact events surrounding James Connolly pre-Rising. They say history repeats itself- next thing we’ll see the seizure of Ballymena post office as part of The Rising: Part II 😉

  • I guess Chris Gaskin is agreeing with wee jeffrey.

    Where did I agree with wee jeff Heck?

    When did I comment on whether the meeting should or should not have taken place?

    You presume too much!

    “I think you know as well as I do that there are some decent and honorable people involved there.”

    Involved where?

    unlike Chris Gaskin, who is a johnny-come-lately in comparison to the men and women under discussion

    I am 21 years of age, I got involved in Republicanism at the age of 14, how do you work out that I am a johnny-come-lately?

    I can’t help when I am born anymore than you can. What I do have however is huge respect for my comrades, friends and family who were involved in the armed struggle.

    I will take my leave from them thank you very much.

    Please tell me how firebombing Dunnes Stores in Hill street is going to Free Ireland?

  • ernieomally

    What I do have however is huge respect for my comrades, friends and family who were involved in the armed struggle.

    They aren’t led by anyone, they are a rabble of missfits.

    Who exactly do you think the people involved with the meeting are? Funny way of showing respect, son.

    You are a johnny-come-lately, not because of your age, but because of your convert-like zeal in blindly embracing the “one true faith” and your cavalier dismissal of those who came before you, as displayed above.

  • ernieomalley

    Please tell me how firebombing Dunnes Stores in Hill street is going to Free Ireland?

    It’s not, who is suggesting it is?

  • Fred

    ‘they are a rabble of missfits’

    Exactly what the Provos where when they walked out of the Inter-continental Hotel and away from the decent Republican Movement. That said people like young Chris can not be held responsible for their actions and I welcome the Provo move, if that was what it is, to stop this rabble of sectarians and nutters spout their hate to one another. The more these people get to rant the more momentum they build up.

  • jim

    Sorry Chris but your attitude seems to be exactly the same as the leaderships i’m right your wrong take on everything, i am by no means a fan of these dissidents however i can see where they’re soming from, and its the same place alot of republicans are an where not so long ago! To alot of these people they see sinn fein now as a party who have abandoned many chore republican values in the last 10 years. In S Derry these former comrades went from being salt of the earth to hoods in a matter of weeks its hard to figure out

  • Who exactly do you think the people involved with the meeting are?

    Well intentioned Republicans, those who tried to latch on to this meeting are something else.

    I suggest you read Daily Ireland to see what Dominic McGlinchey had to say.

    P.S. Don’t call me son!

    because of your convert-like zeal

    I have not converted from anything Ernie, I have always been Republican.

    your cavalier dismissal of those who came before you, as displayed above.

    I am not commenting on what they did before but what they are doing now. I judge people on what they are, not what they were.

    Sorry Chris but your attitude seems to be exactly the same as the leaderships i’m right your wrong take on everything

    Not at all, I have never claimed to have all the answers but if I believe that people are taking a wrong course of action I will say so. I have no interest with Republicans who see to divide rather than unite.

    That is the aim of some of these so-called Republicans.

  • Dec

    Please tell me how firebombing Dunnes Stores in Hill street is going to Free Ireland?

    Well, plenty in SF seemed to think it would 1969 -1996.

    Please tell us how sitting in a Stormont Assembley with a DUP Prime Minister is going to Free Ireland?

  • Please tell us how sitting in a Stormont Assembley with a DUP Prime Minister is going to Free Ireland?

    It’s not

  • ernieomalley

    But, Chris, this meeting was called to unite Republicans who share a common outlook, by people who you claim you have respect for due to their history in the PRM (I do have however is huge respect for [those] who were involved in the armed struggle.) Surely you can’t be against that?

  • Dec

    Chris

    So is the current SF political strategy as futile as, say firebombing a department store, in that both of them have zero chance of delivering an independant 32-county Republic?

  • Mike

    Chris –

    “Please tell me how firebombing Dunnes Stores in Hill street is going to Free Ireland?”

    Hardly any more reprehensible than the terrorists of which you say “What I do have however is huge respect for my comrades, friends and family who were involved in the armed struggle.”

    Or perhaps firebombing the La Mon Hotel (incinerating ten innocent people in the process), massacring people at a Remembrance ceremony, committing mass murder on innocent people in bars and shopping centres, murdering elecred representatives, ambassadors, etc, are somehow worthy of ‘respect’ in your eyes? I wonder what the ‘great’ Bobby Sands achieved with his bombing of a furniture store in Dunmurry?

  • Chris, this meeting was called to unite Republicans who share a common outlook

    According to Dominic this meeting “was intended to be a meeting of political minds. The meeting was about the coming together of a broad section of republican opinion, to either agree or disagree. It wasn’t meant to be about Provo or Sinn Féin bashing.”

    He did say that the meeting was “hijacked by people who had no input whatsoever into organising it

    I wasn’t against the meeting Ernie but I am against those who tried to hijack it and who have no intetion of ever uniting anyone.

  • So is the current SF political strategy as futile as, say firebombing a department store

    Of course not, The Assembly is just one part of the Republican strategy Dec. The problem is that dissidents don’t have a strategy, they are simply howling at the moon.

  • rira

    Excactly Chris: The Free Staters in Stormont won’t free anybody. These are people who ordered others to kill schoolteachers, QUB university law lecturers, Protestant babies etc, who tricked INLA Republicans into dying on hunger strike, who aided and abetted MI5 agents like Sean O’Callaghan, Scap, Denis etc etc. Now they will use careerist Johnny come Latelys with QUB law degrees to lock up Republicans and maybe even have them put to death. Real Republicans remember the 77 put to death by Free State scum. We remember Charlie Kearns, Richard Goss and those who kept the faith in the 1940s. People who kill Republicans and who work with PSNI/MI5 are not part of that tradition. They are part of the 30 pieces of silver tradition. And for little guys not even born then to talk of their “comrades” is almost blasphemous, especially now that the oil smugglers of PIRA have disbanded.

    As regards Omagh, the bomb to end all bombs, let us remember that this atrocity was orchestrated and used to demonize the (Real) IRA and to allow Gerry Bloody Friday Adams, Scap, Denis Donaldson and Martin Patsy Gillespie McGuinness distance themselves from the murder and mayhem they got others to dish out.

    The Republican prisoners being held today by Britain and her quislings might not be the world’s brightest. But they are firmly in the Republican tradition, something that cannot be said of the millionaire Provos of Bandit Country and their Johnny Come Lately followers.

    Not an ounce. Not a bullet. Remember the 77.

  • ernieomalley

    The problem is that dissidents don’t have a strategy, they are simply howling at the moon.

    Perhaps “a meeting of political minds […] coming together of a broad section of republican opinion, to either agree or disagree” would be the start of a strategy? Gee, Chris, what do you think?

    Probably just that rabble of missfits [sic] coming together to howl at the moon, innit.

  • Harry

    Disunity amongst republicans is beginning to look pathetic. And SF – especially after Joe Brolly’s remark about not being anywhere nearer a united ireland in 10 years but being happy to join the police – are looking more and more like SDLP clones but with a more bloody past. What is the SF strategy anyay? I mean not the waffle but an actual strategy? Is there any strategy or is it smoke and mirrors? How are SF going to achieve a united ireland – through talking to unionists? That’s a waste of bloody time as anyone knows. By out-breeding unionists? By taking control of the south and pressurising the north towards unity? By taking control of the south and invading? How? What’s your bloody strategy – spit it out!

    Or is there no strategy and after putting us through 30 years of bombing and shooting you have little to offer but a grá for a more comfortable life now that you’ve moved out of the ghettoes and learned what it is to have a bit of money – and now understand why it was the middle classes were so reluctant to join you during all those years anyway? Is that what the revolution was all about – ignorance of how good a comfortable middle-class existence can be?

    What’s your strategy? Is it softly-softly catchy-monkey until we all realise you had no strategy at all?

  • rira

    Do let us know when puberty hits

    Ernie

    What the meeting was set up for and what dissidents want are two very different things.

    Probably just that rabble of missfits [sic] coming together to howl at the moon, innit

    No that rabble of missfits were the ones who tried to hijack the meeting.

  • Jo

    The history of Irish Republicanism, like all world history to date, has been the history of the heartless vanquishing the brainless.

    Such a “strategy” can be rewritten from generation to generation, but that truth remains at its core.

  • pml

    Do let us know when puberty hits – Chris Gaskin

    Hey Chris — Do let us know when puberty ends!!!

    Ah, Chris, you walked straight into that one, you know you did!

  • PML

    Puberty ended at 16, your talent for comedy is wasted on us mere mortals.

  • Irish in America

    Glen:

    Any link to a news story about the alleged McGuigan abduction?

  • Turbopaul

    Shame, because there was a remote possibility that this meeting could have signaled the way forwared towards all Republican groups ending armed action.

    These dissidents are like those on the left of the New Labour party,(ok Jeremy Corbyn does not intend to use armed struggle) instead of isolating Republican dissidents, people should be encouraging them to use peaceful political means.

    I realise this sounds naieve but I do remember when SF was regarded in this manner before coming in from the cold to represent their constituents politicaly.

    Every time any paramilitaries try and offer a way to remove the bullet from politics they are dismissed. Why I ask???

    On the Republican side the great fear for Sinn Fein is not armed action from dissidents, it is the marxist policies Republican dissidents represent and Sinn Fein cannot afford to be drawn into spouting socialist/Marxist policies if they are to achieve power North and South.

    We have already seen a more pragmatic approach by Sinn Fein and there is alot more to come.

    In this instance Sinn Fein look so mainstream and fit for government perhaps that is the stategy???????

    On the Loyalist side the paramiliataries are feared not for armed action but because they would be a threat to the cosy politics of established junket junkies like the DUP and UUP.

    Perhaps if those dissidents were bought in from the cold then those who still choose to engage in criminality can be seperated from the political activists????

    I hope for a day when both Republicans and Loyalists can say to those engaged in crime:

    “Not in our name”

    Former Paramilitary Criminals must take their chance like other conventional criminals and employ top lawyers to beat the wrap.

    It may seem crazy to engage with dissidents from both sides now, but remember, what would the public have said if they knew Jonathon Powell was lunching with Thomas Slab Murphy at the BallyMcScanlon hotel in order to move the peace process forward?????

    Things that seem to be a bitter pill to swallow today are accepted in the future if positive results follow, as with the peace process.

  • what would the public have said if they knew Jonathon Powell was lunching with Thomas Slab Murphy at the BallyMcScanlon hotel in order to move the peace process forward?????

    They would be asking, where is the BallyMcScanlon hotel? 😉

  • Turbopaul

    Sorry, lost in translation, hotel in South Armagh/County Louth

  • Brenda

    Turbo that hotel is in Dundalk, other wise known as El Paso. Chris is taking a poke at you because you spelt it wrong.

  • Turbopaul

    I must say I do find all the names a bit hard
    eg. Hackballscross, Ballybinaby, hope these are correct.

    Perhaps I should have said
    “The Kitchen table at Home Place”

    That said, Sinn Fein do look fit for govt out of this, and very “New Labour”

    Connor Murphy for leader of “New Sinn Fein”!!!!!

  • Dave

    The meeting is off, allegedly, dissidents was ordered by SF/IRA to close the shop allegedly.

    SF/IRA (now disarmed) are bloody hero’s (pun intended) who walked into a den of dissident IRA (still armed) and told them to call the meeting off?

    I will play along with the notion that there is no split within the republican movement (shake’s head).

    Know what I think? I think Republicans/Nationalists of whatever shade are bad loser’s. it is either that or these monsters just what to get back to the everyday killing of those who disagree with them, it seems to be in their nature.

    The Catholic population of Northern Ireland have political representatives, they could of course have better reps like the SDLP as an example, nonetheless SF/IRA has been their choice.

    The dissident republicans can do no more than bomb buildings and we all know what that leads to, don’t we?

    It is time for Republicans/Nationalists to take on board that nothing will change until the people of Northern Ireland vote for change. Thirty five years of bombing and shooting did not bring about change and another thirty five years of bombing and shooting will not bring about change. Get over it, you took on the Brits and lost (third time).

    Only the people of Northern Ireland can resolve the issue, the British/Irish/American governments can have their input but no more then that. The people will decide when it is time for a united Ireland, “United” being the operative word.

    While one community boycott’s the other there will never be a United Ireland and thanks must go to those (in Portadown) who thought it a brill idea to oppose a church parade and demonise it as a parade of triumphalism by the Orange Order. How on earth can a United Ireland be, if more than half the population are opposed it? Convince me that I and my family would be safe in such a society when the same people do nothing but oppose, ridicule and demonise my very culture and heritage?

    The Republican Movement IS split (don’t kid yourself) and the gunmen will be back on the streets that’s for sure. The achievement of the Republican movement to date is one of back to square one. Want to have another go at us, you’ll find the cry of No Surrender still as loud and still as proud.

    Republicans/Nationalists are their own worst enemy and they will eventually implode

    if you want peace, be peacful, if you want unity then there must be parity of esteem.

    The dissidents should now go home.

    Note!
    An Independent Northern Ireland is still viable for both communities.

  • Turbopaul

    How on earth can a United Ireland be, if more than half the population are opposed it?

    Don’t you mean more than half of the disputed north’s population????

    In a united Ireland more than half of the whole population would be in favour or am I missing something???

    The Republican Movement IS split (don’t kid yourself) and the gunmen will be back on the streets that’s for sure.

    The tone of this seems to be in “Hope” rather than in “Fear” shows weakness in own argument

    An Independent Northern Ireland is still viable for both communities.

    Now here could be something.

    An independent Northern Ireland within Europe, free from sovereignty to Britain, free to raise its own taxes and recieve European grants, even given tax haven status to attract investment.

    détente, thats the answer, not a United Ireland, but free from any kind of control or sovereignty
    from accross the Irish sea in London.

    Dave, so you are offering to give up allegience to the Crown and Britain for an independent Northern Ireland????

  • Irish in America

    Dave:

    Genuine question:

    You don’t think your family would be safe in Ireland?

  • Turbopaul

    I think the term “United Ireland” has a hard cold feel about it, Marxist.

    The term “Harmonised Ireland” sounds better and is an achievable goal, even if grammatically suspect.

    The people of Ireland “living in harmony” is a noble, honourable aspiration and a wonderful soundbite.

  • The facts

    Listen folks, stop squabbling, and lets look at the facts.

    MI5 have SF/IRA on their payroll and in their pockets. As Msgr Faul said the Brits play the long game like cricket. So the Puppet masters are engineering and playing out a split in the Republican movement. playing all shades of republicans like patsys. Like who thought 10 years ago SF would be calling for Ian Paisley to be 1st Minister. I sometimes near split my sides laughing at it all !!!!!

    One thing you have to admire is the sheer cunning of the brits.

  • lovelyleitrim

    A dissenting voice should never be suppressed. This interference with free speech, violates a bacic tenet of democracy.

    Shame on any group who prevent free speech.

    Failure to initiate dialogue with dissent republicans can only lead to more violence.
    ‘Mainstream’ republicans should apply the lessons learned from their own years of isolation.

  • Rory

    Well thanks, guys. A lot more heat than light as usual and the interested onlooker no further forward in finding out what the hell this is all about.

    I am more republican than you – na na na na na!

    No you’re not and ya boo shucks! So there!

  • Comrade Stalin

    rira writes:

    As regards Omagh, the bomb to end all bombs, let us remember that this atrocity was orchestrated and used to demonize the (Real) IRA

    You don’t think that the organization which planted the bomb, timed go off at the busiest time of the week in a busy town centre, have any culpability for their actions ?

    Someone else wrote :

    How on earth can a United Ireland be, if more than half the population are opposed it?

    Half the population ? Less than half the population turned out to vote.

  • aquifer

    “The Republican prisoners being held today by Britain and her quislings might not be the world’s brightest”

    Perhaps I can help enlighten them. The PIRA have acted in support of the Irish peoples’ acts of self determination that set in place the GFA, which had at its heart the ambition to remove guns from politics here. The mandates north and south for the GFA surpassed and superceded the mandate of the 1919 Sinn Fein Provisional government.

    The GFA establishes a basic equality for people of both traditions, and the provisional movement believe, I suspect correctly, that unionist supremacist politics cannot thrive for long in that framework, opening routes to everyday unity throughout ireland. i.e. There will be a basic unity in the lives and livelihoods of the people, paying the way for political co-operation and unity.

    A return to violence however demonstrates bad faith on the part of militant and sectarian irish separatists, and threatens to unravel the GFA. Hurray you might say, but if the GFA goes then everything everyone has invested in bringing a revolutionary gang into government is lost, teaching a lesson that it is futile to negotiate with practitioners of terrorism, and rescuing sectarian unionist supremacists from political oblivion.

    Violence risks popular revolt against the perpetrators and rapid and brutal repression, with a defense of cultural or political ‘victimhood’, or democratic right, no longer to be believed.

    Some people repeat socialism as a mantra, hoping it will lend meaning to consenting adults practicing authoritarianism on one another.

    Republicanism is about political equality and the practice of politics without nepotism.

    It is not about murderous political and personal cliques trying and failing bloodily to coerce everyone else to believe in the politics and cultural habits of previous centuries.

  • dave

    Dave:

    Genuine question:

    “You don’t think your family would be safe in Ireland? ”

    Posted by Irish in America on Aug 30, 2006 @ 07:43 PM

    NO, and that has always beem the problem and probably always will be the problem. This is reflected by the fact that republicans are unable to convince the Unionist people by force of argument hence they revert to murder and ethnic cleansing. This has been confirmed by the historical fact of mass movement of unionists from the inception of partition. Unionists needed their own space then and need their own space today. It is ironic that the Irish republican movement support E.T.A who do not want to be part of Spain and the PKK who do not want to be part of India, yet cannot understand why unionists do not want to be part of the irish republic.

    In their so called united Ireland one will have to be Irish and catholic to survive. even today SF/IRA do not regognise the legitis

  • Harry

    aquifer: the provisional movement believe, I suspect correctly, that unionist supremacist politics cannot thrive for long in that framework, opening routes to everyday unity throughout ireland. i.e. There will be a basic unity in the lives and livelihoods of the people, paying the way for political co-operation and unity.

    Perhaps, but how long before that experiment is shown to be little more than submission if it doesn’t work? How long are irish people north and south to live under the shadow of military threat from the unionists and their co-sponsors the british, with all the depression that follows from that? When will the great collapse of the unionist myth come about as a result of this softly-softly approach by nationalism?

    50 years of submission did nothing to incline unionism towards a just solution post-partition. 300 years of pre-partition protestant supremacy did nothing to bring a fair-minded even-handedness on the part of unionists towards the irish. 10 years of peace has done nothing to dent their utterly self-regarding anti-irish ‘rationale’ nor has it stopped them from disappearing up their own holes of propaganda and subterfuge at every turn.

    Just look at Dave’s post above – fear, certainly, and ignorance. But more than that, the utterly cynical use of stupid and bigotted arguments – deliberately – to refuse any proper engagement with almost half the population of northern ireland and with the majority of the population on the island.

    Unionists have been like this for centuries. Spittle and the gun is their vocabulary.

    So it would seem the provos have basically given up. After subjecting us all to murder and bombing all they have to offer is to wait for nationalists to outnumber unionists. In the meantime they hope perhaps to show unionists that a united ireland is not so bad by acting as if its already here through north-southery.

    Have they accepted a permanent british presence or input into this island? That will be a disaster if allowed to happen for another century.

  • aquifer

    “Just look at Dave’s post above – fear, certainly, and ignorance. But more than that, the utterly cynical use of stupid and ######## arguments – deliberately – to refuse any proper engagement with almost half the population of northern ireland and with the majority of the population on the island.

    Unionists have been like this for centuries. Spittle and the gun is their vocabulary. ”

    So I take it you would not like to engage properly with any of Daves’ arguments.

    To pretend that separation from Britain has value in and of itself wilfully ignores the two way traffic that has occurred over centuries. Irish people participated in and benefitted from England’s colonial adventures, otherwise would there be large Irish communities in former british colonies. I think it was Harold Wilson who usefully reminded Charley Haughey that he represented more irish in his constituency than charley did in his.

    For much of the last millenium it was a crap exploitative relationsh1p sure, but assuming the irish are not now capable of holding their own seems fanciful.

    Modern economies are increasingly integrated above the scale of either britain or ireland, increasing the rationale for co-operation rather than nationalist competition. Urbanisation is changing the nature of modern economies, and the Eastern seaboard of Ireland needs to achieve critical mass and distinctiveness if it is to compete with other global connurbations.

    Modern production requires lots of specialised processes to be carried out efficiently, and this is easily disrupted by corruption or violence.

    Violence can thus disrupt modern societies and reduce their ability to compete globally, so other means of producing desirable political change should be exhausted before resort to violence, especially where ethnic divisions risk escalation and atrocity without any political resolution.

    In my view militant irish separatists and revolutionary socialists took a disasterous wrong turn when they displaced the broader based and non-violent civil rights movement, witnessed in the fact that some people can still advocate more of the same old last push theology despite thousands dead in squalor and deep sectarian division.

    It is a tribute to the underlying strengths of this society that it can bear the arrogance of these groups in good grace.

  • Time and patience.

    Republicanism is split of that there is little doubt except maybe in Chris Gaskins rose tinted world.

    The implosion I predicted is nicely fermenting, it will take time but sooner or later a body will challenge the Brit/ SF/IRA alliance.The level of penetration of both Republicanism and Loyalism by the Brits as predicted by me and others is today a reality. This present IRA campaign is over afterall who really believes Gerry Adams when he says that he can deliver a United Ireland by 2016 ( rolls of his chair in laughter)

    Do you believe him Chris Gaskin???

    Chris talks about his comrades who died to further the cause of Republicanism, take two minutes to reflect upon their misguided values and then try and merge those of modern day Republicanism. Briefly, could you have imagined the IRA decommissioning its arms ( remember not an ounce not a bullet)

    Taking up paid employment and implementing British policy in a totally British administration.

    Republicans today know their leadership colluded and protected British Agents yet are unwilling to have a informed debate about these matters, I suppose having a dictatorship lead Sinn Fein helps to maintain control for both Adams and the Brits.

    Arguing for and comfortable with Dr Paisley being first minister.

    Lets not even get into Policing although I accept that Rubicon would be difficult for Mr Gaskin to accept BUT accept it he will, because he like the other sheep are following the SF leadership blindly.

    One day they will wake up and notice the Brits/ Adams/McGuinness pissing on his former colleagues graves and beliefs but it will be far too late then and 2016 will be just one more Adams/ McGuinness porky pie.

    Pissing on Myths. Good title for a book that.

    Martin.

  • piebald

    Someones had a long holiday. I thought you were taking a break for the World Cup Martin ?

    More like you credability was getting pissed on so you lay low for a couple of months…

    Get a good tan ?

    piebald

  • Henry94

    who really believes Gerry Adams when he says that he can deliver a United Ireland by 2016

    It not his target. It’s our target. Everybody who believes the cause of Irish unity is worthwhile should have the wit to get behind the unarmed strategy supported by the overwhelming majority of republicans and nationalists.

    To argue that armed struggle should be the default position which does not need a strategic justification, while a peace strategy does, is wrong.

    It confuses means with ends. Armed struggle can’t resolve the unionist problem. And it has already resolved the British problem. There is no limit to what can be agreed between the people of Ireland, not by majority rule but by agreement and peace between green and orange.

    The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

    Or we could just shoot them. But that’s not republican.

  • Republicanism is split of that there is little doubt except maybe in Chris Gaskins rose tinted world.

    No one ever said it wasn’t, that is why we refer to dissidents. The vast, vast majority are still Sinn Féin supporting Republicans though.

    Do you believe him Chris Gaskin???

    Gerry never said he could deliver anything. As Henry said it is up to all of us that believe in a United Ireland to work towards achieving that.

    Chris talks about his comrades who died to further the cause of Republicanism, take two minutes to reflect upon their misguided values and then try and merge those of modern day Republicanism. Briefly, could you have imagined the IRA decommissioning its arms

    Those same Republicans who fought the armed struggle were the ones who decided to move the process forward. They were never stagnant or trapped in their tactics. A different day calls for different tactics.

    Republicans today know their leadership colluded and protected British Agents

    Not true and you have no authority to speak for Republicans, you are nothing more than an attention seeking securocrat!

    BUT accept it he will, because he like the other sheep are following the SF leadership blindly.

    I will accept policing when the requisate changes are made and not a minute before hand. If the leadership proposes that we accept policing before those changes have been made then I will oppose that 100%. I am not a sheep but unlike you I am a Republican.

  • Unreconstructed.

    “Republicanism is split of that there is little doubt..”

    Unionism has split itself into so many different positions and mutated from their core principles, which makes any dissent among Republicans seem insignificant.

    Concrete links with the “Rule of Law” party ( DUP ) with unionist terrorists, the UUP reduced to making sordid deals with the PUP, the feuding over drug and racketeering between these unionist paramilitary groups, their links to racist terror groups in the UK and Europe.

    It looks like the opponents to the Irish Republic have splintered..whatever happened to the Unionist monolith?

  • Time and Patience

    Hi,

    Been back for some time, thanks for the consideration.Tan looking good batteries re charged for the long fight.

    In respect to credibility. The Sunday Times reported the point that McGuinness was an Agent,Father Faul made the same point after being involved for some considerable time dealing with issues surrounding “Martin”.

    That said just be patient.

    Father Faul like me was involved with the Hegarty case. Those that had intimate dealings with that case KNOW that Martin is an Agent, Faul was no fool.

    I disagree with the Times over the MI5 bit and the codename Fisherman etc but the general thrust is accurate and we will not fall out over the semantics.

    The continued ” Problems” within the movement are only the tip of the Ice berg and are conected to the McGuinness, Dennis D and Scap exposure , there will be more South Derry situations in the coming years especiallly after the forthcoming public inquiry in the South and the Hoey( Very Interesting this one mooch) case.

    Chris,

    Quote”Those same Republicans who fought the armed struggle were the ones who decided to move the process forward. They were never stagnant or trapped in their tactics. A different day calls for different tactics”Unquote

    Chris I know you are young but that is a very sill statement.

    The hard core experianced operators were culled during the conflict one or two survived but thought better of continuing the conflict with the level of penetration in the RM.

    This is not the same side that fought the war, this side are more like ” Vichy” Republicans.

    The final straw for active Republicanism was Loughall after that Adams and McGuinness had the road cleared to capitulation and a paid job in the British Parliament.

    Just compare James Lynagh`s position and Martin McGuinness`s

    Martin

  • Time and Patience

    Chris,

    quote”I will accept policing when the requisate changes are made and not a minute before hand. If the leadership proposes that we accept policing before those changes have been made then I will oppose that 100%. I am not a sheep but unlike you I am a Republican unquote

    Chris,

    For the avoidance of doubt. What exactly are the changes you require to support any move towards accepting policing?

    I accept you are a Republican, never claimed to be one myself, I prefer to be known as a Nationalist.

    Cheers mate.

    Martin

  • Turbopaul

    All together now,

    Connor Murphy for leader of “New Sinn Fein”

    Bet Connor could pursuede dissident Republicans to become the political left of the RM and give up armed action.

    Or does Sinn Fein intend to use the dissident Republicans to show how mainstream Sinn Fein has become?

    New Labour, New Sinn Fein, not a cig paper between them!!!!

    New Labour, seduced by junkets and power, New Sinn Fein, seduced by junkets, pay a few back taxes, then be seduced by upcoming power.

  • Glen Taisie

    Any link to a news story about the alleged McGuigan abduction?

    Posted by Irish in America on Aug 30, 2006 @ 04:54 PM

    The printed media to touch the story was the Sunday World (who have no online presence).

    Officially Sinn Fein have said nothing and are wanting the story to die a death. But two elements of the story will keep it alive
    a.the fact that during his unexplained time away his unlocked car was found 12 miles from his home to contained “sensitive party documents” and his mobile phone
    b.During his disappearance his family and friends reported his disappearance to the PSNI.

    After his ordeal he is reported to have recieved treatment in the Ross Thompson PSYCHIATRIC unit.

    Senior Republican sources are suggesting that he was routinely questioned as he had been a “Denis Donaldson” appointment to replace the out of favour North Antrim Sinn Fein rep James McCarry.

    Other sources suggest that party funds were used to clear substantial online gambling debts.

    Ironially McGuigan is party spokesperson for TRUTH recovey can xomeone provide answeres please!!!!!