Homophobia or crime?

George Michael can’t see the problem. The PSNI and residents of Edenderry consider it a crime and the Lord Mayor of Belfast is worried about its impact on tourism. Chief Superintendent Ken Henning said:

“Complete strangers meet to have sex. We have to keep a very close eye on it.”

  • nmc

    Police chiefs have claimed they are being forced to deal with “numerous and continuous calls” about “indecent behaviour and criminal activity of a sexual nature” in the Giant’s Ring and Shaws Bridge areas.

    Aw poor police men, forced to deal with calls about crimes. Here’s a suggestion, put down the bargain bucket and go patrolling, do some work.

  • Sean Fear

    As one lavatory attendant said in a “cottaging” case I once witnessed “When someone actually came in here for a p**s, it was like a breath of fresh air.”

  • Keith M

    I’m sorry but “The Giant’s Ring”……ROTFL

  • Butterknife

    It might attract bigs names such as George Michael to our shores.

  • iluvni

    I heard Edwin Poots on yesterday talking about 10000 ‘park ‘n’ ride’ spots. Didnt realise it that widespread a problem….

  • Setanta

    Apparently the major growth area around the Giant’s Ring is straight couples swinging – I’m surprised there has been a Sunday Life cover splash about it, even if there isn’t a loyalist paramilitary connection….

  • This from a north London paper after the George Michael incident:

    Tony Hillier, chairman of the Heath and Hampstead Society, said: “Gay cruising on the Heath is the subject of international gay tourist websites. It’s very popular. If this sort of thing is going to go on at night, it probably doesn’t disturb the average Hampstead resident. But what does is the absolutely filthy mess left behind.
    “Dog walkers, people with children shouldn’t have to worry about what they are going to find behind the next bush.”

    Ahem. New bins alongside the ones for doggie do perhaps?

  • Edwin Poots also commented on UTV that there is a website which can be used to organise rendezvous at the location. A little too much information…?

  • Butterknife

    Well the DUP should know, most would be able to find the Giant’s Ring with their eyes shut then those that have to bottle to come out get kicked out.

  • Young Fogey

    When there is parity of lack-of-esteem for hetty lover’s lanes like the Belfast Zoo car park or that funny old bit of the Belmont Road, I might take all this seriously.

  • circles

    I don’t think its homophobia as there are plenty of businessmen who get their lollies licked up at the Giants Ring (I unwittingly led a group of tourists into the car park and the sight of several female heads coming up from drivers laps needed no explanation).

    Maybe its just jealousy??

  • Rory

    As, now in my seventh decade of life. and perhaps, a senior contributor to Slugger and also a man with considerable experience in this area I do feel that it is incumbent upon me as a good citizen to warn the younger generation of having sexual relations with complete strangers.

    That is exactly how I wound up with Herself.

    Still I suppose it’s better than the close inter-familial inbreeding that was not unusual in some dreary communities in the north of Ireland. The gallows humor among psychiatric workers was that around Annalong “sex with a stranger” meant an errant uncle had come back to visit

    I would of course draw a very strong line on spreading litter or frightening small animals.

  • TAFKABO

    I would of course draw a very strong line on spreading litter or frightening small animals.

    Whatever floats yer boat I suppose.

    I love the idea that anyone enjoying themselves in Northern Ireland is a cause for alarm. Maybe it’s just me, but I think the people with a problem are those who are shocked by the idea that adults might meet up for no other reason that to have sex.

    People f*cking is a lot less worrying than people fighting, and you can witness the latter on any Friday, Saturday or Sunday night, outside any pub at closing time.
    Where are the tabloid headlines exposing these regular punch ups?

  • Colm

    TAFKABO

    Good point. Surely the police have more important things to do and a great deal of more distressing anti-social behaviour and crime to deal with than mounting ’round-the-clock’ patrols to stop people getting up to some hanky panky in a car park.

  • smirkyspice

    Rory you must write your autobiography or at least, send me your diaries…

  • Rory

    I am sorry that you missed my attempt at irony, TAFKABO. I sometimes forget my audience.

    You do ask the important question: Where are the tabloid headlines exposing these regular punch ups? And we do all know the answer which is that it is much easier for thuggish controllers to induce misplaced guilt on sexual issues in the mind and then to have have better control of the violence that results from the pressure cooker of repression.

    Freud did not discover this truth, he merely newly observed it and, within his own time and place, illustrated the devestatingly harmful effects of the repression of free open social intercourse between people and the horrors that then translated itself into the preciously good area of human sexuality.

    If having satisfying sexual encounters with strangers replaces the social pastime of beating them senseless then I am all for it.

    P.S. Does Catherine Zeta-Jones or Isabella Rosellini ever go walking around that area of a balmy evening do you think?

    Purely academic question I assure you and no need to apprise Herself of the enquiry. She’s a bit more attuned to that old Nazi charlatan, Jung.

  • Mustapha Mond

    …”having sexual relations with complete strangers.”

    Better than having strange sex with your relations I suppose.

    Not a slur on your relations attractiveness btw.

    Good post TAFKABO.
    Sex and violence sells, 2 drunk louts fighting is’nt sexy, and not violent enough to make the papers. Give them machetes and some lingerie… you got a headline, as well as Rory’s all time fantasy! :o)

  • Mustapha Mond

    “Rory you must write your autobiography or at least, send me your diaries!

    f*ck dat, just send the polaroids

  • wee jeffrey

    Edenderry?

    Is that near where the Ramada Hotel is? (scene of ‘Dingle’ Berry’s was it or wasn’t it massage?)

    Remember the Save Sodomy from Ulster graffiti?

    I also recall that Edendery was the site of the Twelfth Field for many a year-and I always thought that the sons of Ulster were walking bow-legged on the way back just because they were tired!

  • Mojo

    “…a major growth area around the Giants Ring”?
    “…that they’re going to find behind the next bush”?
    The brothers and me are howling (learned that from the other types). The next thing we’ll read is that the PSNI sent in the mounted constabulary.

    This thread sure beats the usual so’s yer old man stuff.

  • TAFKABO

    Rory.

    I got your post exactly as you intended, but it seems my reply didn’t come across as it was intended.
    Isabella Rossellini? A man after my own heart. that woman gets better looking as the years go by.

  • GurnyGub

    TAFKABO,
    ALL women get better looking as the years go by, just ignore the opticians’ reminders.

  • Good honest Christian

    Shame, shame, shame.

    The sin of sodomy and infidelity will not go unpunished.

    It is wrong to be homosexual and God’s wrath will come down on these sick perverts.
    Who do they think they are – hell isn’t bad enough for them.

    The PSNI should arrest these barbarians and subject them to the full extent of the law.
    Our society is based on the framework of marriage. That is a marriage between Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

    Homosexualism is worng and most decent law-abiding and moral people agree.

  • I’m away for a roll in the bushes

    “Good honest Christian” – surely that’s an oxymoron????

  • nmc

    Good honest Christian,

    why bother yourself with other people’s sexual activities? I am deeply suspicious of anyone who spends their time worrying about what other people get up to in the bedroom.

  • Fraggle

    nmc, we’re not talking about bedroom activities here. did you read the OP?

  • nmc

    Fraggle,

    yes, but I’m assuming that when Good Honest Christian says:

    The sin of sodomy and infidelity will not go unpunished.

    It is wrong to be homosexual and God’s wrath will come down on these sick perverts.
    Who do they think they are – hell isn’t bad enough for them.

    that he is not only referring to the “sick perverts” who get it on in the great outdoors. That, in fact, God knows what’s happening both indoors and out, and that he won’t be pleased if there is any gay hanky panky. I’m just wondering why Good Honest Christian is getting so worked up by other peoples sexual proclivities.

  • Fraggle

    Well, it’s says so in his bible. Once you start ignoring bits of it, you might as well chuck the whole lot out.

  • nmc

    Bibles say a whole lot of things that are ignored in todays christianity. The majority of the book is contradictory. Check out this site if you get a chance…

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

  • Rory

    Good Honest Christian,

    Hang on a wee minute here. Us native Irish were all innocently running around achasing the deer and hurling our golden balls with our fine sticks of ash up and down the length of Ireland (apart from Ballymena of course) and shyly admiring the comely chaste girleens on the village green until you Christians came along and started all this fiddlydiddle business with other fellas with all that naughty Bible stuff about Sodom and Gonorreah and putting fancy new ideas in our head.

    And what about all those poofy clothes the young lads are wearing nowadays? Bloody Christian Dior, mate, that’s what.

    And where did all the snakes disappear all of a sudden? Ask yourself that. Bloody Christians – the poor snakes had less chance than a gerbil at Richard Gere’s birtday party.

    Peace and love, man.

  • Mustapha Mond

    “Hang on a wee minute here. Us native Irish were all innocently running around achasing the deer and hurling our golden balls with our fine sticks of ash up and down the length of Ireland (apart from Ballymena of course) and shyly admiring the comely chaste girleens on the village green until you Christians came along and started all this fiddlydiddle business with other fellas with all that naughty Bible stuff about Sodom and Gonorreah and putting fancy new ideas in our head.”

    Not really, in olde Ireland the custom of the top chief copulating with a some form of wildlife to get the supernatural powers of the beast, was in practice.
    Probably even after the welshman and his imaginary friend turned up.