Worst riots in a decade in Newry

It seems that when I was wandering around Ireland last week, the fine upstanding youth of Newry had important matters to manage for themselves. Apparently there was rioting last Sunday with PSNI patrols coming under attack as they tired to deal with explosive devices left on the railway lines. It seems that this was all sparked off by the admission from the Real IRA that they were the cowardly souls who blew up our shops the week before.

And in a further mark of wanton disrepect and illustration of the intelligence at play here, they painted IRA slogans in the predominantly protestant Shandon Park. Words fail me in trying to describe my utter disgust at these actions. Apprehension and arrest is certainly one metod of dealing with these morons, but surely none of that will help if we cannot create an atmosphere of mutual respect and understanding? I’ve often said that the best qualification for dealing with issues in Northern Ireland would be a Primary School teaching certificate. There are times when youths and adults behave with the maturity of 5 year olds. Indeed, one of the first lessons children have to learn is to share. Will we ever learn that lesson and share this space in harmony?

  • slug

    Thanks for keeping us up to date with the situation in Newry. Hope the city manages to get through this bad spell. Depressing indeed.

  • G

    Miss Fitz,

    In short, no, we will never share this space.

    Incidents such as this (particularly the graffiti in Shandon Park), the dub riots, the continual demonisation of Unionism (just look on slugger for examples of this) show that there is neither tolerance nor respect for British/unionist/protestant from within the republican community. Even if these incidents are few and far between they are still opinion forming and help to build a wall between the communities.

    Tis a shame but there you go.

  • B em us ed

    Hopefully people are now starting to realise that the greatest threat to civilised human life in the six counties comes from the large, truculent and hopelessly indulged class of sub-human filth which has been allowed to flourish here in the last thiry years. As I’ve said many times before on this site (and it’s not just my own paranoia – numerous foreign friends have emarked upon it after visiting the North) the place has an astonishingly high percentage population of work-shy, disorderly,socially irresponsible filth. While it tends to be the notionally loyalist version of these animals who cause the most consistent and offensive trouble, the antics in Newry (and reasonably regularly in Derry, Lurgan and various other bog-ball/stick-fighting centres of excellence) serve to remind us that this is a cross-community affliction. My solution?

    1. There is no excuse (if you are physically fit and of sound mind) for being unemployed in this jurisdiction – the swathes of dilligent and impressive foreign workers flooding over here merely confirms this. All those currently claiming unemployment benefit (or the hilariously misnomeric ‘job-seekers allowance’) should be presented with work and if they refuse to engage or are dismissed for incompetence/gross misconduct etc. should have all benefit payments stopped forthwith.

    2. Anyone found guilty of three criminal offences of violence of dishonesty within a three year period should face an immediate custodial sentence of five years with no remission.

    3. The provisions of the Terrorism Act 2000 should be properly enforced. Here it is in all of it’s glory:-

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000011.htm

    Pay particular attention to Sections 11, 12 and 13, yes that’s right – all of those scum walking about with berets, sunglasses and paramilitary flags (particularly the filth flying parmilitary flags from their houses) should be arrested and charged on sight.

    4. The Alcohol, Road Traffic and Public Order Acts, Orders, Regulations and Bye-laws should be enforced rigorously and robustly. Any and all fines imposed by a Magistrate or Crown Court judge should be paid in full within the period provided failing which the defaulter should be committed to custody for a minimum period of one month.

    5. Persons sentenced to Community Service should be sentenced to carry out genuinely useful and repartory tasks within the community – again, any slippage or antics and it should be straight to Maghaberry (or another new prison which should be built forthwith to remove from Magistrate’s the excuse that they can’t send ‘minor’ offenders to jail because of over-crowding at Maghaberry).

    6. Anyone found guilty of an offence of sectarian violence or violence against a health professional or elderly person should serve a minimum five year custodial sentence with no remission. (There should of course, with all of these mandatory sentence provisions be an exceptional provision allowing the trial judge to depart from the mandatory provision in exceptional circumstances – but the use and operation of that provision should be fastidiously monitored by the Attorney General (any use of the provision in all but the most extraordinary exceptional circumstances should be referred by the A.G. to the Court of Appeal)).

    P.S. Willie Frazer, Catriona Ruane, Breandan MacCionnaith, Jim Allister, both Paisley’s, Finlay Pratt, David Burnside and the entire D.U.P. membership of Ballmena Council should be exiled to Rockall.

    3.

  • B em us ed

    Oops – 2. should read “offence of violence OR dishonesty”.

  • KOD

    G,

    Its great to generalise everyone with a sweeping statement isn’t it, makes things so much clearer now. A bit of perspective on your part wouldn’t go amiss. The people who do these things are certainly not representative of me or anyone I know. In most cases they are just thugs, who, if there wasn’t sectarianism would probably be looking for other ways to “enjoy” themselves.

  • Will

    Don’t know where to post this but seems like some more disdent republican activity

    Author: By Scott Millar | Date: August 2006

    Ex-Provo gives new life to Irish clerical fascism

    A former senior Provisional IRA member, who until 2003 sat on Sinn Fein’s national executive, is reorganising the extreme nationalist right in Ireland by attempting a takeover of the Ancient Order of Hibernians (AOH), the largely moribund marching organisation seen as the Catholic equivalent of the Orange Order.
    Gerry McGeough, 47, from Tyrone, now living in Dublin, has been described by the FBI as a “dedicated terrorist” and “senior commander” in the IRA. He makes no secret of his Provisional IRA past and his extreme anti-gay and pro-traditional Catholic views. McGeough is believed to have served on the PIRA’s “headquarters staff” and overseen its international arms buying and military operations during the early 1980s. He has served eight years in total in American and German prisons, awaiting trial for an IRA attack on a British barracks in Germany in 1988 and attempts to purchase surface-to-air missiles in the US. Until recently he was the editor of the large circulation Irish Catholic newspaper the Irish Family.

    Now he has turned his attentions to saving Ireland from “sodomy” and immigration and returning it to “Catholic Faith and Gaelic Heritage“. In May McGeough, as editor, and Charles Byrne, a 28-year-old from Drogheda, launched a monthly magazine called The Hibernian, dedicated to “Faith, Family and Country”. Seemingly well funded and run from premises in the border town of Drogheda, the magazine acts as a publicity vehicle for McGeough and the extreme right in Ireland. Some of its contributors are associated with Youth Defence, an extreme anti-abortion group, and the Society of Pope Pius X, others are those attempting to infiltrate and take over the AOH.

    Wole story here http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=172

  • Jo

    Utterly sad and pathetic that a generation which has know little if any violence, let alone been alive long enough to suffer or even be aware of any “grievance” and certainly unaware of events like Omagh is being manipulated by the dissident elements and fired up by the old rhetoric again.

    While the rest of the West fears the fanatics who would blow themselves and the rest of us to eternity for their sick interpretation of Islam, we at least offer our young people a choice of self-destructive philosophy….

  • jaun

    interesting to read this wacko from the AOH is associated with mainstream Irish Catholicism, surely damaging to the asserting often made that hard line ‘provisionalism’ and average catholic society are worlds apart,
    incidents like these in the unionist community are often portrayed / used to suggest (in the media and in republican political society) an endemic and culture predilection to thuggery, a sentiment many commentators on this ‘bridge through sectarianism’ of site have clearly bought into, it will be interesting to compare the level and character of attention this nationalist example generates….

  • lib2016

    Frankly the notion that Catholic fundamentalists pose a real threat doesn’t seem very likely to me. More worrying is the move by some dissidents towards extreme ‘leftwing’ ideas, as suggested in the class-war type bulletin issued after the Haughey attack and the fact that 3/4 dissident republicans were arrested along with the Trots in Derry last week.

    As a longtime member of the left myself IMO the biggest danger has always come from the ‘chip on the shoulder’ brigade rather than from the absurdities of the right.

  • G

    KOD,

    Glad I made things clearer for you. Did you miss the sentence … “Even if these incidents are few and far between they are still opinion forming and help to build a wall between the communities”?

    That is the truth of the matter, the events are reported and they are what help form peoples opinions.

  • seabhac siulach

    As the Irish Times leader mentioned yesterday, and as I mentioned way back on August 11th
    (http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/just_so_you_know/)
    , coincidentally enough, the lack of political movement and the failure to implement the GFA in full is giving the almost dead ‘dissident’ organisations the kiss of life. Nature abhors a vacumn and into the vacumn left by the absence of tangible political results is flowing a growing number of radicalised young men and women who see that all of the steps taken by Provo. Sinn Fein (recognition of Dublin govt., recognition of Stormont, recognition of principle of consent, arguments in favour of decommissioning, winding up of PIRA, etc.) have so far been for nothing in terms of fulfilling the barest of national objectives, i.e., power sharing in a partitionist Stormont assembly. It is all very well to insult these people, and call them names (as some earlier posters do) but that does not solve the problem nor help us to understand it. We must realise, firstly, that there is a real danger here of growing violence into the future. Many of these youths now on the streets were toddlers when the first ceasefire occurred and do not remember the dark days of the past. Not for them any fear of re-visiting the past with all that entails. It is the very casualness of Unionists, the DUP in particular, to move the situation on and cement the peace process, once and for all, with durable power sharing arrangements (in which no one loses and everyone gains), that allows these ‘dissidents’ the space to grow. The DUP should be aware of its grave responsibilities in this matter and make the necessary decisions before we perhaps witness another lost generation that thought that all of societies problems can be more easily solved with the gun and bomb. These activities in Newry and the violence we have seen elsewhere this summer are not isolated incidents but are clearly related to the bigger political picture and indicate a growing frustration that the barest minimum of nationalist
    objectives, i.e., power sharing, have still not been met…more than a year after full decommissioning. The DUP and Unionists should be aware of all this as they cotemplate their positions this autumn, smug in a self-deceiving idea that, if they do nothing, then the situation can continue as it is indefinitely. It cannot.
    To say all of that, of course, is not to condone the violent actions of these rioters or of the ‘dissidents’. I merely wish to comment on the lazy assumptions of others on this thread…

  • lib2016

    SS,

    Good post which explains why the November deadline must be enforced. There are internal reasons why Northern Ireland can’t wait forever for the dinosaurs to accept democracy.

    In any case both governments have wasted too much time here already.

  • Rory

    On first reading Searchlight’s report on the activities of McGeogh my immediate thought was, “God, not yet another repressed homosexual on an anti-gay crusade. Is he a ‘failed priest’ as well I wonder?” The history of loyalist psycho-sexual thuggery is also littered with such nasty human failures.

    Neither Unionism nor Republicanism is to blame for these vile people, they merely exploit the worst features of their own constituencies to further feed their sickness. As for the Trots – well what can one say that hasn’t been said already?

    Let us at least console ourselves with the thought that Christ cannot be held liable for the “Christians” any more than Marx for the “Marxists”. Both these wise teachers advised us to beware rogues who would use their name to spread the very antithesis of their teachings.

  • Miss Fitz

    SS
    Thank you for the thoughtful post, and you make some excellent points. I think my position would be that I find it difficult to ‘glorify’ thugs and vandals by calling them republican dissidents. As I have said before, some of these guys exist all over the world, in gangs and groups, mafia, triads and all other excuses for organised public disorder.

    As time moves on, I am personally convinced that there is no further reason to dissent. What we really need is education and enlightenment.

    I was appalled to see the attitude on another thread that Unionists are still being perceived as ‘foreigners’

    They arent. They are Irish people who live in a part of the United Kingdom. Until the nationalists made it so very difficult for them, large proportions of Unionists felt Irish first and British second. We have driven that safety away from them to our everlasting shame.

  • Jo

    Rory

    I thought the same.

    Funny how right wing unionism and right wing nationalism can despite massive political difference, agree on some issues which are fundamentally none of their damn business, such as how gay people should live.

  • seabhac siulach

    Miss Ftiz:

    “I think my position would be that I find it difficult to ‘glorify’ thugs and vandals by calling them republican dissidents. As I have said before, some of these guys exist all over the world, in gangs and groups, mafia, triads and all other excuses for organised public disorder.”

    I feel that your labelling of these elements as thugs and vandals and then linking them to organised criminal groups in the world is not helpful. You make the old mistake of confusing the criminal act (the destruction of property, etc.) with the political impetus that gives rise to this act. You confuse cause and effect. In a purely criminal enterprise, there is no political impetus and all is done for purely financial gain, i.e., the mafia. That is clearly not the case here…as no financial gain is possibly accrued from possible arrest and imprisonment by the police following rioting or any other activity…
    Clearly, the youth in Newry is disaffected.
    However, the fact is that in many parts of the world, say in Dublin, New York, London, etc. there are similarly disaffected young people in gangs, carrying out low-level vandalism, etc. However, rarely, if ever, do these groups engage in large scale riotous behaviour against the police. Why should that be? Is the rioting in Newry was due merely to thuggery/vandalism then it would be universally seen in any medium sized town/city. However, it is not, suggesting that conditions in the 6 counties are special. Recently, only in Paris last summer, where the immigrant youth reacted violently against the police have we seen similar rioting. In that case, are we merely to label those Paris rioters as thugs and vandals without wishing to probe deeper and see that their social exclusion has led to an explosion of anger manifested through violence? I think not, and clearly we should not do the same in the 6 counties.

  • fine words

    seabhac siulach, fine words indeed, but as a protestant living in newry i would put it another, simpler way…..

    they dont want a prod about the place.

    All year round newry festers in republican terrorist drag. At the minute it seems every street in the town has some sort of hunger strike mural. tricolours adorn many lampposts, along with a dirge of provo grafitti. Our local council is SF run, only last week catrina ruane (SF) was pictured in the newry democrat, holding up a B&Q jacket which had a union jack style logo on it, complaining bitterly about it (it wasnt even compulsory to wear). It is cue’s like this from the republican leadership that give direction to the the thugs who carry out riots like the one on this blog. Newry has a long way to go to reach out to its miniscule unionist minority. The same newry ratepayers who when they want to hold a parade in their own town are labelled triumphalist by SF. And ireland of Equals ??? not likely.

  • Jo

    Fine words:

    Thats an interesting observation about Catriona. I was surprised, as the prospective MP for the area, that she seemed remarkably quiet over recent events, although, to be fair Conor M. did appear on TV etc.

  • Crataegus

    seabhac siulach

    their social exclusion has led to an explosion of anger manifested through violence?

    Sometimes its their perception rather than the actuality for there are many who are truly excluded who do not resort to riot and mayhem so the reason is not solely exclusion. Such behaviour says much about the standards of the society from which they originate and how low the base line is for violence. Perhaps there is a tacit acceptance of such behaviour?

    So when I see destruction I should think, that is not pernicious vandalism and unbridled thuggery but should instead think poor soles they are disaffected?

    When I myself feel ignored and alienated (which in NI is often) I should pop into town and torch a few offices belonging to local politicians? That sure would be taking it to them. When does this simply become blackmail, give us what we want or else?

  • seabhac siulach

    fine words:

    “It is cue’s like this from the republican leadership that give direction to the the thugs who carry out riots like the one on this blog.”

    I do not know what or who you are referring to, but my comments are completely personal. I am not writing for anyone but am presenting a personal opinion, nothing more.

    I am more than familiar with Newry and your image of a place festooned with Irish tricolours and hunger strike memorials is, and I think many would agree, something of an exaggeration. Newry today is a vibrant open place, filled with many people from the 26 counties up for shopping…not the doom-laden Provo citadel you wish to portray.
    Not wanting to engage in whataboutery, but the level of tricolour flag flying in Newry, does not begin to approach the levels seen in many normal loyalist/Unionist areas where the flying of copious flags is regarded as perfectly normal. Is there one telegraph pole around Portadown that does not sport one, for example?
    In fact, I would go so far as to say that it is rare to see an Irish tricolour outside of the period around Easter Sunday and most nationalist areas in the 6 counties are, thankfully, free of most of this sectarian bunting. In fact, you can frequently tell you are in a majority Nationalist village/town by the lack of flags or bunting of any kind. I travel through the 6 counties regularly and the number of tricolours I have seen in all those travels could be measured on the fingers of one hand.

    I also do not see the linkage with Caitriona Ruane of Provo Sinn Fein in all of this. It is on the record that Provo Sinn Fein have condemned the actions of the riotors and the burning of shops. So why the attempts at linkage? Be annoyed at their stupidly vis-a-vis a Union Jack on an jacket (as if there are not more pressing problems to be getting on with), but do not present them as somehow involved. They are clearly not…

    As for Orange parades, personally I would have nothing against it in Newry. It could be hardly be expected that such a march would be held in anything like a celebratory atmosphere, as it would likely take place on empty streets or in front of sullen faced shoppers irritated with the noise and disruption of a minority event. The truth is that, apart from Unionists, these parades are universally unpopular for many reasons, not least the deadening and quasi-militaristic atmosphere that surrounds them. Strip out the boom-boom music and what do you have…two lines of old men walking down a street…hardly a carnival atmosphere even if you ignore all the rest of it. It is also well known, for example, as when they questioned tourists in Belfast this summer, that these parades are a major turn-off for tourists who are repelled by the medieval aspect of them (I am freely paraphrasing from comments heard from German, American tourists…and quoted in the BBC, etc.). Who would turn out for an equivalent parade of the Masons or AOH, for example? So local businesses and traders would hardly be enamoured with the idea of losing tourist trade by the enervating actions of one small religios societies march through their streets.

    As for them being triumphalist, is this not at their heart, i.e., the celebration of the triumph of King Billy over the Popish masses? So, by definition, they are triumphalist…how can this be questioned?
    Should a town with a majority nationalist/Catholic population have to suffer a parade celebrating this fact? It seems illogical and faintly perverse. What is the point of these parades if not to celebrate the supposed triumph of Protestantism?
    I suggest it is for the Orange Orders to reexamine and reform the essence of their marches (to assess why it is so many Nationalists find them offensive), to perhaps make them more religious, and less political, more joyful and less about King Billy, and then things will change…
    In an Ireland of Equals, we should all have equal rights, but that does not mean that a local minority can exercise the right to march at the expense of a local majority who do not wish that march to go ahead…it is simple local democracy…but that is not to deny anyone’s rights, merely to state that all rights have obvious limits…

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Crataegus: “So when I see destruction I should think, that is not pernicious vandalism and unbridled thuggery but should instead think poor soles they are disaffected? ”

    Awwwww… victims, aren’t we all?

  • Alice the Blo

    Just for the record and in particular for those that do not know Newry so well.
    Newry is not a Sinn Fein town and in every Council election they fought they never secured a majority of Town Councillors. They matched the SDLP on a 3 – 3 count with an Independent taking the seventh seat. Indeed had the non-voters from the better off areas of Newry taken the time to vote Sinn Fein would have been reduced to two seats or less?
    But Newry A Sinn Fein Town – No way.
    ‘Alice the Blo’.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “The DUP and Unionists should be aware of all this as they cotemplate their positions this autumn, smug in a self-deceiving idea that, if they do nothing, then the situation can continue as it is indefinitely. It cannot.”

    Or put another way-hurry up and do a deal or you’ll get another touch.

    “both governments have wasted too much time here already.

    Posted by lib2016 on Aug 18, 2006 @ 11:39 AM”

    Agreed.So why not improve this terrible situation by 50%, and tell the Irish government to bugger off and mind their own business?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Darth Rumsfeld: “Agreed.So why not improve this terrible situation by 50%, and tell the Irish government to bugger off and mind their own business? ”

    what makes you think they listen any better than the British?

  • pacman

    Fine words

    So Republican terrorist drag is the Irish Tricolour festooning lampposts? By the same score the NI and Union Jacks on the Belfast Road are therefore Loyalist terrorist drag? Or perhaps the pathetic matchstick painting of a green man at Shandon Park with Taigs Out at the bottom is a welcome message for 95% of the towns residents?
    Exactly what is wrong with flying our national flag in the town? It was so much easier when we knew our place, eh?

  • Reader

    pacman: So Republican terrorist drag is the Irish Tricolour festooning lampposts?
    Be fair – he also referred to Hunger strike murals and provo grafitti, which does create an overall effect. But if it comes down to it – what’s this flag? :
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/294812.stm
    If you resent having the tricolour associated with terrorism, don’t forget to complain to the terrorists too…

  • pacman

    I have no problem reader. I as merely pointing out that what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander (albeit that unionist terrorists seem to have a plethora of flags to call their own including the NI flag and Union Jack).

    The largest gaggle of flags in Newry at the minute are the aforementioned unionist symbols adorning the Belfast Road entrance to the town. Not to mention of course the Mullaghglass area where the roads, bridge, walls etc are similarly defaced. KAT being a favourite.

  • Young Fogey

    There is no disaffection here that couldn’t be cured by a long whip in a small yard.

  • G

    SS … “I also do not see the linkage with Caitriona Ruane of Provo Sinn Fein in all of this”

    How’s that? She is on TV making an issue of a Union Jack on a work uniform (which was optional)and you can’t see any linkage to the youth and their perception of the british?

    Can you really not see that?

  • fine words

    Alice the blo

    “Just for the record and in particular for those that do not know Newry so well.
    Newry is not a Sinn Fein town and in every Council election they fought they never secured a majority of Town Councillors”

    Alice i dont know where you got your info but its crap

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/vote2005/nicouncil/html/22.stm

    seachan silach

    “What is the point of these parades if not to celebrate the supposed triumph of Protestantism? ”

    Errr….how about local bands holding a parade to raise money for new instruments uniforms etc ?

    “I am more than familiar with Newry and your image of a place festooned with Irish tricolours and hunger strike memorials is, and I think many would agree, something of an exaggeration.”

    ok just a quick list off the top of my head

    canal street hunger striker board
    camlough road ..several hunger striker/ira/ murals/plaques
    kilmorey street – ira flags and monument
    fisher park – blanket man statue
    newry bypass – several hunger strikers crosses/hoardings
    dublin road – several hunger striker hoardings
    water street – anti psni mural
    derrybeg/barcroft – dozens ira murals
    hospital road – hunger striker monument

    and thats just sitting for 2 minutes. theres plenty more

    What nationalists done to the protestant community in newry over the last 30 years is an utter shame, burnt out of their houses and business, many murdered in cold blood. To deny the facts is adding insult to injury.

    pacman

    “The largest gaggle of flags in Newry at the minute are the aforementioned unionist symbols adorning the Belfast Road entrance to the town”

    There is NOT ONE paramilitary flag on the belfast road son. union jacks and ulster flags. So dont try and equate them to IRA murals with hooded gunmen which are prevelant in newry.

  • pacman

    My point Fine Words (so deftly avoided by you) us that you referred to the Tricolour as Republican terrorist drag ergo the Union Jack and NI flag must certainly be the same (albeit Unionist) terrorist drag using your logic.

    I notic you also avoided the unionist terrorist plaques etc that pervade Mullaghglass.

  • B em us ed

    Christ – regardless of whether the various posters here are Unionists from Newry or Nationalists from Newry – you’d certainly know they were from Newry. Their spelling and grammar are utterly atrocious.

    “What nationalists ‘done’ to the Protestant community…”

    “What Nationalists DID to the Protestant community..” – you illiterate twat!

  • fine words

    B em us ed

    ““What nationalists ‘done’ to the Protestant community…”

    “What Nationalists DID to the Protestant community..” – you illiterate twat! ”

    Ok

    DID is the simple past tense of do

    Done is the past tense of doing

    so who is the illiterate twat ???

    PS you are using a hypen incorrectly, hypens are primarily used to join a prefix to a proper name such as anti-Darwinian, or to make clear the unifying of the sense in compound expressions such as punch-drunk. You use however is quite incorrect.

    PS if your earlier post (post #3) is genuine then I fear for you my friend. If you really believe any of what you propose could realistically be enforced then you are living in another planet or you are a heavy narcotics user.

    “sub-human filth” hmmmm self explanatory really.

    “As I’ve said many times before on this site (and it’s not just my own paranoia – numerous foreign friends have emarked upon it after visiting the North) the place has an astonishingly high percentage population of work-shy, disorderly,socially irresponsible filth”

    Is this statement actually based on any statistical research you have undertaken, or is it as I would imagine, more hot air ?

    “There is no excuse (if you are physically fit and of sound mind) for being unemployed in this jurisdiction – the swathes of dilligent and impressive foreign workers flooding over here merely confirms this.”

    You are going to be a rich man my friend. What you do is sell you master plan to eradicate unemployment to all the governments in the World, and voila no more unemployment. Or what is different from “this jurisdiction” to others. (The mind boggles).

    “The Alcohol, Road Traffic and Public Order Acts, Orders, Regulations and Bye-laws should be enforced rigorously and robustly.”, “Any slippage or antics and it should be straight to Maghaberry” , “Anyone found guilty of an offence of sectarian violence or violence against a health professional or elderly person should serve a minimum five year custodial sentence with no remission”

    I hear Iraq are looking for a new dictator, you sound like the man for the job. No offence mate but I bet you are great craic out in the pub rabbiting shite like this all night, till those around you drift into a boredom induced coma.

    PPS Your use of the apostrophe in “both Paisley’s” is quite wrong im afraid.

  • Crataegus

    Back to basics;

    1 Why do we have riots in one community and not another?
    2 What are the attitudes and structures (or lack of ) in these communities that enable riots and wanton destruction to happen.

    Often it is dressed up in all sorts of fine words and reasoning but there is a fair measure of hate coupled with a complete lack of trust on both side. The idea that one section can get its way and ride rough shod over another is intellectually simpler and has more salience than the concept of building trust and developing common ground so that the future is more harmonious than the past.

    Those of you who have canvassed will know that the simple messages are alas the best currency in politics. What percentage of the population actually understand any of the issues in any detail?

  • B e mu s ed

    “B em us ed

    ““What nationalists ‘done’ to the Protestant community…”

    “What Nationalists DID to the Protestant community..” – you illiterate twat! “

    Ok

    DID is the simple past tense of do

    Done is the past tense of doing

    so who is the illiterate twat ???

    PS you are using a hypen incorrectly, hypens are primarily used to join a prefix to a proper name such as anti-Darwinian, or to make clear the unifying of the sense in compound expressions such as punch-drunk. You use however is quite incorrect.”

    Oh dear – only read this far and was already belly-laughing.

    What, pray tell, is a ‘hypen’? Is it any relation to a hyphen?

    Please, please, please continue to explain to me how the phrase “…what Nationalists done to the Protestant community…” is grammatically correct and “…what Nationalists did to the Protestant community….” isn’t. Please I’m begging you – it’s free entertainment.

    Christ – the North really is polluted with hapless “I seen, I done, I had went” merchants – back to (primary) school for you I’m afraid.

  • Crataegus

    Try the views above Chamonix Its hard to beat the Alps and The scale has to be experienced.

    Then there are places like the Hunza Valley in North Pakastan or I have found memories of the view from a house boat in Kashmir. Not a brilliant photo but in early spring a beautiful place and alas like N Pakistan not really a place to visit just now.

  • Crataegus

    Sorry Wrong thread ignore above

    Unfortunately nothing to do with Newry

  • fine words

    bemused

    “Please I’m begging you – it’s free entertainment.”

    As I said you mustn’t get out much mate if you belly laugh at spelling mistakes.

    “Christ – the North really is polluted with hapless “I seen, I done, I had went” merchants – back to (primary) school for you I’m afraid.”

    Then again, I suppose a simple mind is easily amused.

    Anyway your attempt to deflect from the real issue is only a distraction. Grow up little boy.

  • barnshee

    Just love it
    Moron catriona anything for a whinge

    burn the shithole that is newry to the ground ASAP.

    Not a whinge when the prods were burn but now some spide has lost his job because another spide burned the shop down Ha ha ha ah