Slugger makes More Four News…

Or at least the blog, courtesy of Iain Dale who claims we “skillfully negotiate a path through the sectarian divide”. Mostly true, I guess. Anyway big up to Iain, and let’s hope we can continue to live up to our onorous reputation! Yes, that means you too at the back!!

  • Pete Baker

    Well, maybe the skillfully is a bit overstated.. but as a mission statement – negotiating a path through the sectarian divide – it ain’t that bad at all!

    Cheers Iain.

    Now, let’s hope everyone keeps that in mind…

  • Harry

    Northern ireland is not about a ‘sectarian divide’. It is first and foremost about british interference in ireland. It is the predatory british policies on this island which bring confrontation to the irish people in their own land for the purposes of securing british strategic aims. Sectarianism is the result and tool of this predatory interference and is sustained first and foremost by the british.

    It is not the ‘irish problem’ – it is the ‘british problem’.

    I’m happy to have cleared that up. Certain myths should be challenged at all times, especially self-serving british myths and cynical sidestepping by the main protagonists.

    Of course the british are in Basra to help with the ‘sectarian divide’ there too. What lovely and helpful chaps they are. Salt of the earth, going out of their way to be helpful to so many people in so many different places. Top blokes, what?

  • Intelligence Insider

    Thanks to Harry for providing an excellent example of the Irish people at their most ignorant, in every sense of the word. Is it any wander that we, the British people of Northern Ireland, have no wish to be part of an Irish republic?

  • Have a glass of milk Harry, do some f-ing thing.

    Good one Mick. Keep her lit.

  • Harry

    The british people of northern ireland are a minority of the irish people on the island of ireland and would have been a minority of the irish people in northern ireland decades ago if they hadn’t implemented policies which ensured emigration amongst nationalists that was almost 3 times the level of emigration amongst unionists, thereby ensuring their continuing ‘majority’ status.

    The british people of northern ireland are also responsible for being the agents of partition, backed up by british guns for british reasons, thus bringing about polarisation along religious grounds across the entire island. Thus meaning political and social paralysis north and south for almost a century, the loss of massive economic oppotunities north and south, the embedding of a shower of bullying gombeens down south and a crowd of 1950’s-minded empire boors in the north. This situation led to a loss of 3 million people from the south and around 200,000 from the north over the last 80 years – the best and the brightest and the ones most likely to challenge and liberalise both of those societies for the better.

    And for what? So that London’s aims in ireland could be secured for another century; protestant paranoia and supremacism could be extended on the island of ireland for another century; and the people who had suffered most – the catholic nationalists – could be preyed upon by another foreign and bullying power (the catholic church) in the south and by small-minded supremacist thugs in the north.

    Excellent result lads. Is it myself then is the ignorant one, as you say?

  • Alan

    Harry,

    The quote was “skillfully negotiate a path through the sectarian divide” – rather than deliberately seek to build up that divide by regurgitating tendentious nonsense.

    We all start from our own position on these things, but progress comes through taking on board what others say and modifying our own position.

    What responsibility do violent republicans have for destroying the chances for unity by consent and embedding partition for generations?

  • Animus

    As this thread so ably proves, you win some, you lose some!

    Well done for the kudos Mick.

  • Harry

    What responsibility do violent republicans have for destroying the chances for unity by consent and embedding partition for generations?

    Change the record lads. If it isn’t one reason for why a ‘UI won’t ever happen’ it’s another reason why a UI won’t ever happen. You were the ones who threatened civil war in 1921 if you didn’t get your way, not us. Then you spent the next 50 years kicking the crap out of nationalists, no doubt accompanied by sundry ‘explanations’ as to why this was necessary and a ‘UI won’t ever happen’. Then you kicked the shite out of the civil rights movement, then you spent the next 30 years saying that the IRA campaign ensured that a UI ‘won’t ever happen’. Now after a decade of peace and goodwill measures you’re telling us how what happened in the past or what people are expressing today ensures that ‘a UI won’t ever happen’.

    Put a fucking sock in it.

  • slug

    The language seems to have declined.

  • Ermintrude

    I think negotiating a path through the sectarian divide while meandering into familiar cul de sacs now and then is pretty good going. Like many others I read slugger a lot without contributing, and I don’t read it in the hope of finding a 100% mutually respectful, open-minded, intercultural, all-singing all-dancing ANSWER to every problem we’ve ever had here. I read it because it gives an indication of what different people, some of whose views I might never otherwise encounter, think about stuff. If some of what people think is well-rehearsed, predictable and not entirely helpful, so what? If we were living in that paradise of parity of esteem there’d be no point to a site like this, and there would equally be no point in this site pretending those remarkably persistent points of view didn’t exist.

  • eranu

    ““skillfully negotiate a path through the sectarian divide”. Mostly true, I guess”

    mostly true id hope. but when you read stuff like one of the above posters you have to shake your head in despair and wonder if some people here are living in some sort of alternate reality.

  • Harry

    Which poster might that be? The one who spoke passionately and accurately?

    Unionists are doing an excellent job of showing a new generation of irish people across this island exactly why it was that rebellion broke out in the first place, an understanding that has been mostly obscured by the incidents and unending condemnations over the last 30 years of violence.
    Without nationalist violence to hide their vicious self-serving supremacism behind, unionists are exposed for exactly what they are.

    It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this ‘re-education’ is amongst nationalists. One might almost call it a ‘remembering’ and clearing of the mind.
    It is taking place on an all-ireland basis.

  • lib2016

    “..wonder if some people here are living in some sort of alternate reality”

    Cheer up – in November I suspect that we will all have something to learn about the reality of our situation.

  • eranu

    far too tired of this conversation to get into it. but i just find it weird the way some posters like to paint a picture of a poor oppressed people suffering under an evil empire thats only aim is to make their life a misery. and also that unionists are to blame for everything in ireland. everytime i read this sort of talk it just makes me cringe. im embarrassed for the peolpe that post this stuff, its beyond bizzare. it just bears no relation to reality, thats why nobody actually debates the points raised. if theres any response its more of a ‘get a grip’ type comment..
    anyway, have a nice weekend. i hope you dont get too oppressed by any of those evil unionists 🙂

  • Doctor Who

    “and would have been a minority of the irish people in northern ireland decades ago if they hadn’t implemented policies which ensured emigration amongst nationalists that was almost 3 times the level of emigration amongst unionists, thereby ensuring their continuing ‘majority’ status. ”

    Pooh!!! Harry that really stinks, perhaps you can tell me the source of these statistics, perhaps your posting from a parallel Universe.

    Have a shower, the stench of your posts is overwhelming.

  • Harry

    More evasive shite by unionists when they come across it right in front of them. I notice that unionists talk about mopery a lot, and this seems to be a form of contempt on their part for the ‘weaker’ – a typical characteristic of the supremacist and a psychological device for inuring oneself to guilt or self-examination. When unionists hear nationalists engage in what is to them ‘mopery’ it merely confirms their reasons for contemptuous disregard of nationalists in the first place – a weak people who are in the position they are in ultimately because of their own fault; not like the bould and proud unionists, who are in the position their in because of god, the queen, the king james bible, their own bravery and least of all (but in fact most of all) because someone gave them lots of powerful guns and money to help them set up their status quo.

    An utterly autistic, self-serving people for whom every comment from nationalists, every ounce of contemptible mopery, is merely another reinforcement of their god-given rightness.

    That is why there are only two ways to deal with this constitutional impasse and I say this not as a threat but as an observation. Either unionists compromise or there will be trouble, more serious trouble than they’ve ever had to deal with in 400 years.

  • Doctor Who

    “That is why there are only two ways to deal with this constitutional impasse and I say this not as a threat but as an observation. Either unionists compromise or there will be trouble, more serious trouble than they’ve ever had to deal with in 400 years. ”

    I see your method Harry, you are going to make the Unionist population laugh themselves to death.

    I would take your threat more seriously if you where anything more than the sad little self absorbed hate driven narrow minded idiot you are.

  • Animus

    Harry, go back underground to Trollsville (or just wait until school starts again – I hope you’ll enjoy Big School).

    Do you know what autism means? No, didn’t think so. Mopery is the national pastime in this country, I wouldn’t say either side has a monopoly on it. Your droning whinge does a disservice to nationalists, most of whom have developed slightly more sophisticated arguments than “them’muns think they’re better than us. And we don’t think so.”

  • “Either unionists compromise or there will be trouble, more serious trouble than they’ve ever had to deal with in 400 years”

    Ooo, hark at her!

    LOL!

  • Harry

    Like I say, an autistic people incapable of reasoned compromise without having it forced on them. The same old story. same old, same old…

    Foolish.

  • spirit-level

    Harry
    It’s not that you’re wrong my friend, far from it. It’s the way you say it that’s wrong.
    The problem is that all that resentment built up inside of you has to be dealt with by YOU, nobody else.
    Its the hardest thing you’ll ever do.
    The good news is when you’ve given it all up you’ll not be so sad and full of hate, and you’ll have all the dignity back in your mind that you’ve been robbed of; then you can look at a unionist and just smile, knowing you’re right . ( rhythm of time !!! )
    Then you’ll be able to help them .. SEE.
    I dare say your united ireland won’t be far away with that kind of approach.
    Good luck.
    p.s am doing psychology at college.
    hope I’ve not chosen the wrong subject 🙂

  • Harry

    There’s nothing wronmg with the way I say it spirit-level. You’re just not used to hearing nationalist indignation or allowing for its straightforward expression. I have, in fact, united logic and feeling in a way that’s more intellectually enquiring and honest than a great deal of the waffle that has been returned, which might be more accurately described as pathological in its denial and evasion than my expressions. There’s nothing wrong in nationalist anger and indignation – we have every bloody right to be indignant, and to demand change. And not tomorrow, today. Fuck the eternal self-serving deferral of an embedded and immoveable unionist conservatism. This is ireland and they’d better bloody compromise. It is we after all who are living a compromised life in their state, so nationalists are the eminently reasonable ones given the nature of the issues and the reality of unionist supremacism to this day.

  • Harry Flashman

    “This is Ireland and they’d better bloody compromise”, spoken like a true fascsit my friend.

    So what are you going to do if they don’t compromise? Stamp your feet and shout alot? Hold you’re breath until you’re blue? Scweam and scweam and scweam until you’re sick and then they’ll compromise?

    Oh sorry I missed your earlier point, “there’ll be trouble, more trouble than they ever had to deal with in 400 years” so more trouble than they’ve ever experienced in the entire history of their time on this island. Hmmmm, let’s see didn’t we try that lark between 1970 and 1990? Remind me how did that work out? So you and the heroes that burned down TK Maxx will do. . .er, what will you do? Burn down JJB Sports? Oops, sorry you tried that and it didn’t work either so what? What will this vast army that you’ve got at your back do to make them compromise?

    Have you got a direct link to Ahmadinejad in Iran or something? Are you going to nuke them?

  • Parcifal

    yep Harry, and the feedback you’ve gotten from the unionist crowd is : ” Fuck you ”
    What I’m saying is this:
    “you want to change the world, then change your head” remember John Lennon’s revolution song.
    “Talk about destruction then you can count me out”
    The anger has no place anymore, it has to be LET GO… there is another way.
    Its patience, understanding and not resentment.
    Test:
    You stand there with your gun, me with my tri-coloured feather, and we’ll see who achieves a united ireland first. Up for it 😉

  • spirit-level

    oops 4:28 was me.

  • Harry

    So what if the unionist crowd say ‘Fuck you’? What else have they ever said? They say nothing but this because, from an irish nationalist perspective, they have no intention of travelling even an iota in the direction of our wishes if they can possibly not do so. They feel entitled to take this position on the basis of their ‘democratic’ mandate.

    All I’m saying is that they are beginning to enrage even moderate nationalists and are showing in this time of peace exactly what they are made of as a self-serving community. Given our history and the energies on this island only a fool would believe that this situation is sustainable.