‘Fair’ Comment on the match

I’ve been away for a few days, as no-one seems to have noticed. Part of my trip included the All-Ireland quarter final between Laois and Mayo. With his newfound passion for GAA, I honestly thought Fair Deal would have covered the match. Perhaps he was at Casement instead of Croker. I couldnt possibly give a pundit perspective, but from a girly point of view it was a great match. Clean, open football, with good refereering. At one point, I remember thinking, its hard to blog on Slugger, but dear God who would want to be a referee. They are apparently deaf, blind, fatherless, and without any sense of religion, direction or loyalty.

As you might guess, I will be missing on Sunday for a certain replay and if (God Forbid) Laois progress furhter, I will be unashamed in my effort for a ticket!!

  • Patrique

    And he is the best referee, some of the others are terrible. Unfortunately after Antrim, Mayo are my second team. After last Sunday however, hopefully Antrim will be banned for ten years. Won’t affect the teams, but it would affect the bar, especially on big screen premiership soccer nights.

  • Miss Fitz

    He was way better than the ref for the hurling that followed Patrique!

    Funny thing about Antrim of course, is that the issue was never discussed or brought up in any way shape or form among the people I met on the day. For them the GAA is sport and sport only. Its quite different up here I guess

  • Nevin

    Bill Shankly: “Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I’m very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.”

  • Sydney exile

    This describes the best place in the world, the summer beach parties are kicking in now, but I can’t tell you where they are, its a local thing.

    On a Sad MOPE note

    Dublin should be ashamed, It ignores Mayo and the West of Ireland in General, that is why there are thousands of Mayo’s sons and daughters all over the world !

    From the Sawdoctors !

    “We went out to a weekend festival on Clare Island in August 1990
    and on the boat back on a perfect autumn evening the green and red of mayo was conceived with well known Galway free-spirited minstrel jarir al-majar. It became a song about a year later”

    The Green and Red of Mayo
    I can see it still
    It’s soft and craggy bogland
    It’s tall majestic hills
    Where the ocean kisses Ireland
    And the waves carress it’s shore
    The feeling it came over me
    To stay forever more
    Forever more

    From it’s rolling coastal waters
    I can see Croagh Patrick’s peak
    Where one Sunday every Summer
    The pilgrims climb the reek
    Where Saint Patrick in it’s solitude
    Looked down across Clew Bay
    With a ringing of his bell
    Called the faithful there to pray
    There to pray
    Take me to Clare Island
    The home of Granuaile
    It’s waters harbour fishes
    From the herring to the whale
    And now I must depart it
    And reality is plain
    May the time not pass so slowly
    Before I set sail again
    Set sail again

  • willowfield

    With no teams from Northern Ireland in this match it is of little relevance to Slugger.

  • Miss Fitz

    Willowfield
    Thank you so much for that comment, it re-affirms so much for me about the Northern Irish psyche.

    If it doesnt fit into your narrow little framework, it doesnt interest you?

    Well, it might surprise you to realise there is a big world out there. Speaking as someone who lives and blogs in Northern Ireland, all sorts of things catch my eye, and they may not always fit your narrow little confines.

    Wake up and embrace the world!

  • willowfield

    I don’t see how a Gaelic match between Laois and Mayo has any more relevance to NI than a football match between Athlone Town and Dundalk, or Aberdeen and Motherwell, or Manchester City and Everton.

    We don’t see features about other such matches on here.

  • Miss Fitz

    Ah!
    The difference is that I am from Laois, and I have a passion for GAA.

    I regret that this does not interest you, perhaps the Tellytubby site would be more to your liking

  • dave

    willowfield thinks that Dipsy from the tellytubbies is a republican activist who helps organise hunger strike demonstrations.

  • Patrique

    The beauty of the GAA is that you can be from Belfast and really get into a sweat over Cork V Kilkenny in a hurling match. At the end of the day you are watching hurling, not the teams. Even fanatical fans for one team can usually appreciate being beaten if the other team illuminate the game. Hurling is the sport, nothing else comes near, even cricket which is dear to my heart, and a strange second choice. You need to know what you are watching for however, so you need to understand the sport.

    And Miss Fitz, I believe Laois could turn over the Dubs, they are a better team, but Mayo could still do for you in the replay. Micko V Kerry in the final? Still a possibility.

  • Miss Fitz

    Patrique
    I follow in the footsteps of my father, so between us we have been travelling to Laois matches for almost 60 years and have heard it all!

    We’ve beaten this Dublin team in the past, but the on-going problem with Laois is, you never, ever know how they will perform on the day.

    They were 2 points up against Mayo last week going into the second half, and no doubt that was their undoing. They act like underdogs at all times, and dont rest easily on top.

    Well, they’ve screwed up my plans for the weekend, cos complain as I might, I have missed very few championship games over the years, and will turn up next week regardless.

    As the father says, if you want a kick in the arse, put on a Laois cap and go to Croker!

  • Sydney Exile

    Willow,

    Come on dude give it a break, does it have to be so serious all the time,

    To the rest off ye.

    Ye can all feck off Laois, Dublin, Kerry and any Northern Teams(Bye Bye)
    Mayo are back, Laois had there chance I guess a Mayo win 2-12 to 0-01 🙂
    Here hoping !!!!!!!!!

    Match is on Sunday nite over here, might be a bit sick on Monday.

  • Sydney exile

    As Quoted

    I don’t see how a Gaelic match between Laois and Mayo has any more relevance to NI than a football match between Athlone Town and Dundalk, or Aberdeen and Motherwell, or Manchester City and Everton.

    We don’t see features about other such matches on here.

    It has the same relevance as a match between Derry City and Sligo Rovers, both teams are in the FAI league, as all Ulster teams are in the Championship.

    What do you think of that logic?

  • spice girl

    if ur into gaelic then these games are great if ur not then they don;t mean a thing – I’m sure miss fitz wouldn’t get too hyped if state of origin was on theis weekend – but i would. willowfield is quite right to describe such games as insignifient, as in many people’s eyes they are.

  • Globetrotter

    I’ll be at the matches on Sunday as well, even though I’m from the North and a Protestant. It’s about sport and a good day out, nothing else.

    For most people the world doesn’t end at that imaginary line in the road just past the old BP garage on the Dublin Road.

  • overhere

    Well said Globetrotter

  • Rory

    I don’t suppose another “foreign” football encounter between two Glasgow teams would hold much interest for Willowfield either. His insularity is pure and total.

  • Oilibhear Chromaill

    his insularity is pure and total

    Fair comment Rory – except “Northern Ireland” isn’t an island so ‘insularity’ doesn’t apply. If it did it would surely be taken to mean ‘the island of Ireland’ so he should have, logically, an interest in the Laois V Mayo encounter. As it stands only Willowfield, the local BBC and the UUP are among the flat earthers who believe that “Northern Ireland” is an island, adrift in the vast Atlantic. Their appreciation of geography – or history – isn’t so strong!

    It isn’t a province so ‘provincialism’ doesn’t apply. “Parish” doesn’t quite cover it either – so out goes parochialism.

  • peter mc cann

    democracy, free speech would appear to have gone out the window on this website as last night i read with interest the nolan debate and now its gone this morning

    can’t ask or invite people to make comments which at times are off the wall and then simply shut down the thred because the host is upset

    so if this thread goes off or is not consistent then will it be removed also

    arty farty liberals who oversee this site who are like most liberals are more facistic than the right

  • Reader

    Oilibhear Chromaill: It isn’t a province so ‘provincialism’ doesn’t apply.
    It is a Province:
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/province
    And we have plenty of provincialism here!

  • DaithiO

    Miss Fitz,

    I’m a passionate Laois supporter but had to forgo the joy of watching them beat Mayo on Sunday because I was in Casement. Anyway it will happen this week instead ! Sadly I can’t be there for the replay but will definitely be there to see the Dubs get their come-uppance.

    However after the brave decision of the Antrim county board I’m thinking of changing my allegiance.

  • audley

    As this is a UK website, I would appreciate it if posters would restrict sports event selection to those events which occur here in the United Kingdom.

  • DaithiO

    Just for clarification Audley, as you clearly don’t have a clue, and posted that for the sake of pissing people off, the match in question was the fourth All-Ireland quarter-final.

    Despite the fact that 6 of Irelands counties are currently, constitutionally at least, a part of the “UK”, they are still on the island of Ireland. Therefore I’d say the All-Ireland Football Chmpionship is VERY relevent to EVERY part of the island !

  • Todd

    Mick,

    I think its time you changed the title of this blogsite to “Notes on Ireland Politics and Culture”

  • GrassyNoel

    Should be a good double header this sunday, and as a proud Kerryman I’ll be hoping Micko’s Laois men will not only overcome Mayo but will stuff the Dubs as well so it’ll be 2 Kerrymen going head to head on the sideline in the final. Mind you even if Kerry are beaten in the final or semi-final this year it won’t be half as disappointing as last year, ‘cos at least the whole “Kerry can’t beat the hard, tough Northern teams” monkey is well and truly off our backs now. Whoever wins from here on in, fair play to them they deserve it, feck the begrudgers and people who won’t give credit to champions because of so-called ‘soft’ All-Ireland titles.

    Come on the Kingdom!

  • colm

    seeing as there’s 6 Northern counties involved in the All-Ireland GAA championship, and there’s many on this site who follow and live in said Irish counties, then coverage of GAA events are fair game for coverage on this site.

  • GrassyNoel

    Anyone who appreciates the thrill of attending a live sporting event should experience Croke Park on All-Ireland final day at least once in their lives. It really is special, there are very few events I’ve ever been to that can match it..the Heineken Cup Final this year, which I attended, came as close as anything else I’ve been to, but as for international rugby and soccer matches, forget it. A tense, tight game in a packed Croke Park will really make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck.

  • DaithiO

    GrassyNoel,

    As a Laois man I’ve yet to experience it. Maybe this year against the Kingdom !

    Would you say the atmosphere you talk of is down to the stadium or because, the people who attend, or the nature of the game ? I ask because I’m curious to know how the atmosphere will be in HQ. when soccer and rugby will be played there.

  • Nevin

    Especially for Miss Fitz and dave

  • Rory

    Having attended the two semi-finals against Offaly and then the final when Down beat Kerry to lift the first 6-county All-Ireland I can not recall any sporting atmosphere so thrilling (although I have to say I have never attended a Celtic-Rangers match which I believe is pretty blood-tingling too but I have been at Arsenal-Spurs encounters are they are no hockey-matches either).

    I am sure that the first growing confidence of the northern nationalist community since partition began when the Sam Maguire Cup was brought to Newry Town.

    When Ireland is finally united perhaps the credit should be given to Paddy Doherty, Jarleth Carey and the MacCartan brothers.

  • Miss Fitz

    LOL Nevin!

    Daithi, you raise some interesting questions, and to be fair, thats what I had in mind when I posted.

    On the day that 71,000 people were in Croke Park at 2 thrilling matches, another gathering of people was happening in Casement Park.

    If anything, I thought that this contrast demonstrated so very clearly the difference North and South.

    I see I’ve gotten a couple of predictably negatvei comments about this, none of whom have complained about Fair Deal’s new found interest in the GAA.

  • dantheman

    “When Ireland is finally united perhaps the credit should be given to Paddy Doherty, Jarleth Carey and the MacCartan brothers.”

    And also Barry Breen and Conor Deegan, who come from Ireland’s greatest town….Downpatrick.

    Miss Fitz

    I wonder does Fair Deal have a server room full opf super computers scanning the web looking for any negative story about the GAA he can find. I am fully expecting some time soon:

    “Cow hit by stray football during Carlow Senior Championship…is the GAA guilty of war crimes against animals?”

  • Michael Robinson

    DaithiO wrote:

    “I ask because I’m curious to know how the atmosphere will be in HQ. when soccer and rugby will be played there.”

    Speaking as a rugby fan, international rugby games are increasingly corporate and the prawn sandwich brigade don’t tend to generate much atmosphere. Even though there will more more tickets available for rugby at Croke, the ticket distribution policy won’t be that different. However it still should be a great occasion that I don’t intend to miss (if I can get a ticket!)

    In my opinion, the provincial teams in the European rugby competitions attract a lot more “real” supporters and I think the atmosphere is better than most internationals.

    However I believe the use of Croke Park applies only to the Ireland rugby team and not to Connacht, Leinster, Munster or Ulster.

  • Rory

    While i would agree, Dantheman, that Downpatrick, where St Patrick lies, is undoubedly Ireland’s greatest town and that Breen and Deegan deserve great accolades, they did come on the scene some 30 years later, and were surely themselves inspired by the legendary Down team of the 60’s.

  • Fer fecks sake

    I don’t want to read anything on this site about the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland or any oul guff about Orange marches in Donegal. I’m from Northern Ireland ya hear me…

    Catch yerselves on boys!!

  • dantheman

    Rory,
    A valid point, but they helped to reenergise the movement for a new generation for whom the troubles had put a distance between them and the great teams of the 60’s.

    home town bias aside, players like mccartan, dj kane, greg blaney, ross carr and mickey linden were truly great players. The down teams of the early 90’s played some fantastic football, as good as i have seen in my lifetime.

  • Miss Fitz

    Fer Feck Sakes
    I’m not sure what point you are trying to make, but no one can accuse me of not being fair and balanced in what I choose to cover. I posted extensively over the 11th and 12th of July, and supplied a set of photographs for viewing.

    If you;d like to discuss GOLI, try to find that thread, this one is a gentle one about the positive aspects of the GAA

  • GrassyNoel

    DaithiO

    In answer to your question I’d say it’s probably all of the above. It’s probably the speed of the games involved to a certain extent and how quickly things can turn in one direction and then another, without question, and the Stadium itself is afantastic spectacel to behold both when it’s empty AND full..I was in the Nou Camp last year (empty) and while I would love to attend a big game there to saviour the atmosphere generated, the inside of the stadium while empty did not compare to Croke Park for me personally. As for the people, yes I think in general people are just that bit more passionate about Gaelic games than they are about other sports…in Ireland anyway. Although I don’t like th way it’s gone in recent years where getting a ticket for the big matches depends on who you know more than your interest in the game…you get a lot of fairweather friends on All-Ireland final day now, people who only want to show upfor the day but really wouldn’t know Colm Cooper from Eoin Mulligan if they had to identify them in a line-up.

  • Ziznivy

    Given that two teams based in Northern Ireland were involved in the UEFA Cup and one (all be it a League of Ireland team) still is, I await coverage of the Partizan vs. Maribor 2nd leg.

  • DaithiO

    Yes I was lucky enough to be at a full-house in Croke Park, most recently last year when the Dubs beat Laois in the Leinster.

    It seems to me a far more family friendly set up. Is this down to a more equitable ticket distribution system and a much bigger club network ? Real fans definitely seem to proliferate instead of the “prawn sandwich brigade”.

    Having been a rugby player myself in England I can see that the game in Ireland is more elitist and therefore attracts the cash-driven sponsorship interest that maybe the GAA doesn’t.

    To it’s credit the GAA is thriving with huge crowds attending and the cash not going to players or greedy agents making it truly the peoples games.

    Also I’d like to say that it’s great to hear people who aren’t from places where GAA is generally appreciated can actually enjoy the games for the skillful and exciting spectacle it is and not as a political tool.

  • dantheman

    “Given that two teams based in Northern Ireland were involved in the UEFA Cup and one (all be it a League of Ireland team) still is, I await coverage of the Partizan vs. Maribor 2nd leg.”

    Ziznivy, by stating that do you not mean that three teams from NI were involved in the UEFA Cup?

  • Michael Robinson

    DaithiO – on rugby ticket distribution, a certain amount is set aside by the IRFU for sponsors and partners, a very small amount for members of supporters clubs (but not enough, so distribution is done by draw). Some tickets for the autumn international games against touring teams are on sale to the general public. This is usually done as a package covering several games as one game is usually not a big draw. This year, the touring teams are Australia, South Africa and the Pacific Islanders.

    The rest of the tickets go to clubs and ticket sales are basically a revenue opportunity for the clubs – effectively a form of touting. Ordinary club members will get some but a lot are sold on to local sponsors or to corporate hospitality and travel companies.

    If you look on the [url=http://www.gulliversports.co.uk/page.asp?section=00010001000100050002]internet[/url], you’ll already see packages on sale for up to GBP 1000 (including match tickets) for the Ireland – England game at Croke Park next year.

    The tickets haven’t been isued yet but clubs will have already committed a proportion of their allocation to these types of buyers.

  • DaithiO

    Thanks Michael

    A similar system operates in England, in fact it was a much needed source of revenue for the club I played for.

    In Ireland there are many less rugby clubs than in England and of course many many less clubs than there are GAA clubs. The big GAA games at Croker are NOT internationals, more local affairs, so that is why the sourcing of tickets is easier.

    I’m a republican who actually loves the garrison sport of rugby, I’m sure there are many of us. I’ll support Ireland in whatever sport, whether we are the best or not. For me sport should be above the petty political point scoring so prevalent here on Slugger.

    People need to learn to respect and appreciate the athletic achievements of others, regardless of their religion or politics.

    Any good polo matches coming up in West Belfast ?

    😉

  • eranu

    “Any good polo matches coming up in West Belfast ? ”

    yeah, theres an SF v IRSP game on in casement park the day after the SF v DUP cricket match organised by Martin McG !

  • Fer fecks sake

    Miss Fitz,

    I was just applying a little bit of sarcasm there. Lowest form of humour I know but I couldnt help it given the screams of the wee Nornirelanders about the coverage of a game between, Oh my God!!!, two teams from the Republic of Ireland!!!!

  • Miss Fitz

    Ach I know that, fer fecks sake fer fecks sake.

    I note that none of them gurn when people post about the Middle East, or World Cup soccer. I guess its a version of flat earth thinking, there is no land beyond the field at the Carrickdale.

  • willowfield

    PATRIQUE

    The beauty of the GAA is that you can be from Belfast and really get into a sweat over Cork V Kilkenny in a hurling match. At the end of the day you are watching hurling, not the teams. Even fanatical fans for one team can usually appreciate being beaten if the other team illuminate the game. Hurling is the sport, nothing else comes near, even cricket which is dear to my heart, and a strange second choice. You need to know what you are watching for however, so you need to understand the sport.

    And how is that different from any other sport?

    Ever heard of the (football) World Cup, for example? Do you think only the supporters of whichever teams were playing were interested or able to appreciate the spectacle?