Derry City to take on Gretna

Derry City have been drawn against Scottish Cup finalists Gretna in the second qualifying round of the UEFA Cup.

  • cliftonville fan

    Best of luck to Derry-fantasic effort last night and well-deserved winners over the 2 legs

    Well done to Drogheda United as well

  • Harry Flashman

    I was wondering when Derry’s fantastic performance was going to get a mention here, I read the Irish Times online and had to hunt hard to find mention of it among other ho-hum games.

  • JD

    My son was at the game and a fantastic night was had by all. Well done Derry City, Doire abú, now for the new stadium. Derry City Council get your finger out.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Anyone thinking that Gretna will be a walkover “think again” Gretna are the rising stars of Scottish football. They have many seasoned SPL pro’s in their ranks, thanks to the generosity of owner Brooks Mileson. All in all a cracking tie awaits.

  • Keith M

    Two border teams against one another, and as close you a local derby that you can get in Europe. I still find it a little incongruous to find the tri-colour against Derry City on UEFA’s site but best of luck to the and of course to Drogheda in their match again Start from Norway.

    I fear Cork City are gone after Wednesday night, but if they do make it, what a tie awaits against Milan.

    Who knows, if any of the tree get through, we might even get above world powers like Macedonia, Moldova and Georgia in the rankings!

    It’s nice to see local teams doing well, especially with the national team having its lowest ranking in over six years.

  • George

    Keithm,
    Derry City are in the Eircom League. That’s why the Tricolour is there. It’s not a political statement in this instance, it’s the flag of the league they play in.

    You’ll notice that Northern Ireland teams have the George’s Cross with the crown (IFA flag) rather than the official flag of Northern Ireland, the Union flag.

  • Dec

    and as close to a local derby that you can get in Europe

    What, in God’s name, are you talking about?

    I still find it a little incongruous to find the tri-colour against Derry City on UEFA’s site

    Zzzz…
    Let’s hope Berwick Rangers never make it into Europe; The sight of a scottish saltire against their name might provoke convulsions.

  • smcgiff

    ‘I fear Cork City are gone after Wednesday night, but if they do make it, what a tie awaits against Milan.’

    Can you imagine Milan at Turner’s Cross! Even Red Star were impressed with it, thinking it was a fantastic training ground! LOL!

    It’s a pity that Cork, largely due to inexperience, will be missing 3 key players for the Return leg. Not to mention the stupidity around George O’Callaghan.

    With that said, they gave a good account of themselves in the first leg, but Red Star rarely got out of neutral. With a full squad Cork could have pulled off an upset, but they’ll be stretched to fill the subs bench as it is.

  • Keith M

    George, I’m fully aware of the reason an d background behind an Irish tricolour appearing beside Derry City. I know this kind of cross border arrangement is relativly common but it is still somewhat jarring politically.

    Dec, can I suggest you dig out a map of Europe and stick a pin where Derry City play and one where Gretna play, in European terms this is a local derby.

  • bob

    Why is it somewhat jarring ?

  • Keith M

    bob, Because the tricolur is the flag of the Republic and Derry City play in Northern Ireland.

  • Dec

    Keith

    A local Derby in Europe is AC Milan/Inter or Arsenal/Chelsea not Gretna/Derry City. Your description of this potential fixture as “as close to a local derby that you can get in Europe” is imbecilic.

  • Dec

    Oops, I meant upcoming fixture.

  • smcgiff

    ‘Because the tricolur is the flag of the Republic and Derry City play in Northern Ireland.’

    I think you’ll find they play approx 50% of their games in the Republic. Besides, the league they play in is a ROI league.

  • dantheman

    What do you want Keith M, a Union Jack flag instead?

    In terms of european football it is in fairness a local derby, but it certainly aint as close as you can get.

  • Ringo

    Turners Cross would be a pleasant surprise for Milan – they had to play Athlone Town in St. Mels Park in the 75/76 season. And only survived defeat when Athlone missed a penalty.

  • George

    Keithm,
    it isn’t jarring for people in Ireland (Republic of) who go to Eircom League matches. In fact you are probably one of the only people in this fair Republic who seems to find a tricolour beside Derry City on the UEFA website jarring.

    Just because you find it jarring doesn’t mean it is. Have you ever even gone to see Derry City play?

  • mcswegg

    Well done to the Derry fans as well ,they set a great example as they do when they follow ireland at internationals. I know quite a few of the lads are heading to Stuttgart in September for the Germany game.

    Meanwhile the disgusting sectarianism continues on the n.i football site (our wee country).The family of Young Catholic murder victim Michael McIlveen has again been the butt of the ongoing sectarian whispering campaign by n.i supporters.

    The comment below is from a long time supporter called owen who was commenting on a thread about a young 12 year old scottish girl

    “They could nearly come to Ballymena and be a family of martyrs. All it needs is some Real IRA connections.”

    The bigotry seems to go unchallenged on the hate site.

  • harpo

    “It’s just fantastic,” said Gretna manager Rowan Alexander. “Five or six years ago we were playing non-league football in the Unibond League and now here we are rubbing shoulders with the biggest names in European football.”

    I think all of this has gone to Rowan’s head. Derry City are hardly one of the biggest names in European football.

  • dantheman

    No they’re not but they’re bigger than Linfiend and Glentoran these days. Eirocm league teams have scored 10 times more ranking points (so far) than their northern compatriots

  • Proud

    What a result, and what a match awaits. The IPL will benfit as well from NI teams playing the likes of Derry City and Shelbourne, who have been making gains in Europe recently, in the Setanta Cup – maybe a bit of their success will rub off on my beloved Glens…

  • Realist

    “The ####### seems to go unchallenged on the hate site”

    mcswegg,

    Why don’t you register and challenge it?

    For the record, the “Owen” you refer to posted this on OWC in the immediate aftermath of young McIlveen’s murder – posted 11th May 2006.

    Read it very carefully:

    “This was a horrific, inexcusable crime, an indictment on attitudes and prejudices in this country, a warning against hatred and the perpetrators must be punished severely”

    You’ll excuse me for thinking it’s you who fosters the hatred, not “Owen”.

    Interesting tie for Derry City in the next round against Gretna – I fancy Derry to win it over the two legs.

    There’ll be more Derry fans in Gretna than home fans.

    Good luck to them.

  • bagpuss

    Well done DC and their support.

    Realist –

    The game will be at Fir Park Motherwell. Lets hope some of the less disirable elements of the old scum don’t turn up and spoil what could be a great night.

  • bagpuss

    s*um and firm. Both as bad as each other.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Realist.

    The locals have really been rallying around, coming from as far as Dumfries and Carlisle. The Gretna fairy tale now means that Gretna have become popular all over Scotland. Brooks Mileson has contributed to both Berwick and Dundee fc’s fighting funds to stave off recievership, so I wouldn’t be too sure of Derry fans outnumbering Gretna fans. All in all it is fantastic that these two teams will be representing our two countries.

    I believe if it is held at fir park I might take my wee fella along for a nights entertainment.

  • Ziznivy

    I’m fed up with this brave little Gretna thing. They are piggy-backing on a rich man’s money. They’re no better than a mini Chelsea. Nothing romantic or good for Scottish football about their ascent.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Heartilly disagree, Mileson is not very rich at all, he just puts his money to support this team. His money has helped energised lower league Scottish football, he has given to other teams, an unheard of generosity. I can only imagine that you never followed the fairytale Scottish cup run last year Ziz, a football fan’s dream, indeed many fans of other teams adopted them albeit temporarily.

  • English

    IFK Gothenberg must really have gone down the toilet pan if they are unable to beat a poor team like Derry City. The standard of football in both the Northern and Southern leagues is on a par with the English conference, and that is being generous.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Derry City left the Irish League to join the League of Ireland before they got kicked out. I was not alive in those days, but every Bannsider I have spoken to from that era has told me that their fans in those days were a disgrace and had a particular hatred of two teams in particular – my hometown club Coleraine and Linfield. Oddly enough both of these teams have overwhelmingly Protestant-Unionist support…anyone see what I’m getting at? Ok, Coleraine were local rivals too, but most of the hatred boiled down to naked sectarianism and how else can you explain their supporters’ blind hatred of Linfield and their fans?

    If in the intermediate years their supporters have changed their attitudes, then I would wish them well, but having seen Linfield busses attacked on the two occasions the sides have played at the Brandywell since DC left the Irish League, I don’t hold out much hope, so therefore am supporting our Scottish friends in Gretna…

  • Realist

    “If in the intermediate years their supporters have changed their attitudes, then I would wish them well, but having seen Linfield busses attacked on the two occasions the sides have played at the Brandywell since DC left the Irish League, I don’t hold out much hope”

    On a point of order CL, I was at the first game Linfield played back at the Brandywell last year, and was on one of the buses attacked with my young son.

    It was not Derry City fans involved – local youths who couldn’t bear the thought of a “Prod” being about the place did the attacking.

    The Derry fans warmly applauded the Blues fans into the Brandywell that evening.

    When Derry fans visited Windsor Park for last years Setanta Cup game, they were absolutely magnificant – a credit to their club and their league. Not one hint of sectarianism on their part at that game.

    Given that Derry City have a couple of Northern Ireland internationals on their books, and I know Derry fans who regularly attend Northern Ireland games, I will be hoping they progress.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Sorry to hear that you and your wee fella were on that bus Realist. Hope he is not too traumatised by the whole carry-on. The same thing happened to me on a Celtic supporters bus when I was a kid and it was frightening. In your shoes I would be angry as hell.

    I have spoken to some people about going to the game in Scotland, but sadly the only takers are me, my Da and my wee fella. So it looks like I will be going, and will be supporting Gretna.

    Do you think that the Setanta cup thing will work out? my knowledge of it is rudimentary at best.

  • Realist

    “Sorry to hear that you and your wee fella were on that bus Realist. Hope he is not too traumatised by the whole carry-on.”

    Thanks for your concern PE, but I am happy to report that the wee fella is well over the experience. He didn’t wish to travel to Derry for the Setanta game with the Blues this year tho – quite understandably. In no way do I hold any malice towards Derry City Football Club or their fans on account of these incidents – as I said, their fans had nothing to do with it.

    On the way out of the ground that evening, some grown man hurled a firework from behind a wall whilst shouting “fuck yez, ye Orange bastards” which expolded six feet from my wee fella. Then we run the gauntlet on the buses. Very unpleasant experience indeed.

    “The same thing happened to me on a Celtic supporters bus when I was a kid and it was frightening”

    I’m sure it was. Despicable behaviour.

    “In your shoes I would be angry as hell”

    I think I was more concerned as a parent than angry, to be honest. You’ll know what is like to see your kids scared. It’s a horrible feeling.

    “I have spoken to some people about going to the game in Scotland, but sadly the only takers are me, my Da and my wee fella. So it looks like I will be going, and will be supporting Gretna”

    Enjoy the game. I’m hoping to get to the Brandywell for a Derry Eirecom league game in the near future, so it’ll be interesting to see the quality on offer.

    “Do you think that the Setanta Cup thing will work out?”

    I do. I thoroughly enjoy the competition, and hope it becomes a permanent part of the annual fayre.

    As a Linfield supporter, I recognise that the competition can only help us to raise our standards both on and off the pitch.

    There have been some great examples of new friendships emerging too. For example, when the Blues played Shelbourne in Dublin earlier in the year, Bohemians FC opened their social club on the afternoon of the game for several busloads of Bluemen. Bohemians supporters were also warmly received when some of them visited Windsor Park for a IPL game during the season.

    Mid Shankill LSC also hosted several Drogheda supporters on the Shankill before the Setanta Semi Final at Windsor this year. A great time was had by all.

    I read today that Martin O’Neill has been offered a sizeable salary to become the face of Setanta TV – they certainly appear to be ambitious.

  • slug

    Realist:

    That incident was disussed on this thread

    Link

    At the time I asked Billy Pilgrim whether that incident was sectarian. Here is his reply:

    Well, yes and no. I mean, of course they threw the bricks because there was a sectarian reason to do so, but to be honest, it wasn’t really about sectarianism. Whoever threw those stones at the Linfield fans last night – they were just thugs and hoods. They’ll throw stones at someone else tonight for reasons that aren’t sectarian. Maybe at the weekend they throw stones into the Fountain – again for sectarian reasons. Then they’ll get drunk and kick some poor bastard’s head in – for non-sectarian reasons.

    February 23, 2005 05:42 PM

  • don

    Linfield supporters sang sectarian songs that included references to the victims of bloody sunday when Derry played Linfield at Windsor Park.

    Their were similar incidents when Shelbourne played at Windsor, Linfield supporters sang sectarian songs and chanted racist slogans at Shelbourne’s foreign players.

    Seems Linfield have a long way to go in educating their sizable sectarian & racist supporters.

  • Realist

    don,

    “Linfield supporters sang sectarian songs that included references to the victims of bloody sunday when Derry played Linfield at Windsor Park”

    A small section did. This was highlighted on websites by outraged Linfield fans, and the Club was in receipt of several strong letters of complaint – from Linfield fans.

    “Their were similar incidents when Shelbourne played at Windsor, Linfield supporters sang sectarian songs and chanted racist slogans at Shelbourne’s foreign players”

    The half dozen fcukwits who directed monkey chants at a black Shelbourne player, did not have the mental capacity to see that Linfield had a black player playing, who was giving it 100% for the blue shirt.

    You’ll find this intersting:

    http://www.linfieldfc.com/latestnews.asp?nid=1559

    Do you think Linfield supporters might have had something to do with that?

    “Seems Linfield have a long way to go in educating their sizable sectarian & racist supporters.”

    I don’t think they are “supporters”. They only attend when The Blues are playing Glentoran, Cliftonville and any team from the Eirecom League.

    I know Linfield Football Club are serious about tackling the problem – half the team is Catholic, and I know the players, management and Board are pledged to tackling the problem of sectarian and racist chanting at Linfield games.

    http://www.linfieldfc.com/truebluesindex.asp

    Expect a press launch next weekend.

    Would you like to discuss sectarianism and racism at other clubs/sports on the island, or are you quite happy to pretend that it is only an issue for Linfield Football Club?

    I recall being at an anti sectarianism and racism in football event in Belfast recently where Brian Kerr was one of the guest speakers – maybe he was telling fibs about the racist abuse and threats made to black players in his ROI squads?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Realist.

    I wish Linfield every success in their endeavors. Whenever the word minority or phrase “small section” is used though it does ring alarm bells. Rangers use these terms when explaining away their problems, even though if you were blind mute you would know this not to be the case.

    I do not wish to compare rangers and linfield, as I only know linfield by reputation. Would it not be better from your point of view to continue to isolate those causing problems, letting them know in no uncertain terms to frig off, rather than squaring up to those who highlight it.

    Best of luck.

    Regarding MO’N, they seem to be gearing up for the English games next year. Everyone I know that has Setanta has paid forty quid extra this year for the priviledge.

  • Have to say the atmosphere was great on Thursday.
    Came out of the cinema at half past ten and there was a big crowd of lads singing in Waterloo Square, being watched by bemused tourists.
    It was then I took it that City had won.
    Nice change from the bemused tourists being chased through Waterloo Place by a big crowd of lads ;P

  • Prince Eoghan

    “Came out of the cinema at half past ten and there was a big crowd of lads singing in Waterloo Square, being watched by bemused tourists.”

    Cinema, eh? Why weren’t you there watching the momentous occassion?

  • The tickets were restricted (some UEFA rule, I’m told).
    If it had been on a big screen or something (or even on a telly in the pub) I would probably have watched it.
    I could hear the singing from my house before kick-off, if that counts 🙂

  • Briso

    >>“Linfield supporters sang sectarian songs that
    >>included references to the victims of bloody
    >>sunday when Derry played Linfield at Windsor
    >>Park”

    >A small section did. This was highlighted on
    >websites by outraged Linfield fans, and the Club
    >was in receipt of several strong letters of
    >complaint – from Linfield fans.

    The only reason this is in the public domain is because disgusted Linfield fans put it there. We Derry fans didn’t hear it at all. I think it is best to just stay out of it and let the true Linfield fans sort it out as they were the ones affected by it. The Derry experience in Windsor that night was wholly positive, except we didn’t win.

    And both Realist and Billy Pilgrim (quoted by Slug) are right about the Brandywell match before last. By the way, the last one went without serious incident, inside our outside the ground.

  • dantheman

    Derry v Linfield went well. However the powers that be at windsor park should consider the wisdom of sending blood and thunder loyalist bands to parade at half time at Linfield matches.

  • Realist

    Prince Eoghan,

    “I wish Linfield every success in their endeavors”

    Thank you.

    “Whenever the word minority or phrase “small section” is used though it does ring alarm bells”

    It is a minority, and that minority only appear at bigger games. We would rather they stayed at home.

    “Rangers use these terms when explaining away their problems, even though if you were blind mute you would know this not to be the case”

    I don’t think Rangers would be the only Club in Glasgow to be let down by sectarianism amongst a section of their support.

    “Would it not be better from your point of view to continue to isolate those causing problems, letting them know in no uncertain terms to frig off, rather than squaring up to those who highlight it”

    Well, that’s basically the idea. Either support the cross community players in the team in an appropriate way, or get to flock out of the ground.

    I think those who highlight it most are actually Linfield fans pissed off to the back teeth with the element who drag our proud club into the gutter.

    Briso,

    “The only reason this is in the public domain is because disgusted Linfield fans put it there. We Derry fans didn’t hear it at all. I think it is best to just stay out of it and let the true Linfield fans sort it out as they were the ones affected by it. The Derry experience in Windsor that night was wholly positive, except we didn’t win”

    Thank you for confirming what I said earlier in the thread.

    You see, those who use such snippets to bnash Linfield Football Club don’t seem to realise that the people the neanderthals hurt most are the genuine, “week in, week out” Linfield supporters.

    I absolutely abhor them.

    dantheman,

    “However the powers that be at windsor park should consider the wisdom of sending blood and thunder loyalist bands to parade at half time at Linfield matches”

    Similarly, the GAA and Celtic Football Club should consider the wisdom of allowing Republican, paramilitary style, Flute Bands to play at Supporters Club functions.

    Can you post details of the “blood and thunder, loyalist bands” to which you refer, and detail the games they have played at?

    Whilst I wasn’t in attendance, I am aware that a marching band played at half time in the recent Linfield v Rangers friendly. By all accounts they played nothing of as sectarian nature.

    Thanks.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    Realist,
    I’m a die-hard Manchester United fan, even more so than Glasgow Rangers and on a par with my local allegiances to Coleraine FC and my country – Northern Ireland. However, I feel that United’s Darron Gibson from Londonderry in, yes you guessed it, NORTHERN Ireland is nothing other than a traitor for deciding to represent our bitter rivals in the banana Republic, rather than his country of birth…for purely sporting reasons that really annoyed me, but you have to feel he was making a political stance also.

  • Realist

    CL,

    “I feel that United’s Darron Gibson from Londonderry in, yes you guessed it, NORTHERN Ireland is nothing other than a traitor for deciding to represent our bitter rivals in the banana Republic, rather than his country of birth…for purely sporting reasons that really annoyed me, but you have to feel he was making a political stance also”

    The lad has made a, wholly legitimate, decision.

    Only he knows the reasons why he made the decision he did.

    I support any Northern Ireland player who:

    a/ Puts a Northern Ireland shirt on his back
    and
    b/ Gives it his best shot.

    If guys like Gibson cannot give that commitment to Northern Ireland, it’s no great lose to be perfectly blunt.

  • dantheman

    “Realist,
    I’m a die-hard Manchester United fan, even more so than Glasgow Rangers and on a par with my local allegiances to Coleraine FC and my country – Northern Ireland. However, I feel that United’s Darron Gibson from Londonderry in, yes you guessed it, NORTHERN Ireland is nothing other than a traitor for deciding to represent our bitter rivals in the banana Republic, rather than his country of birth…for purely sporting reasons that really annoyed me, but you have to feel he was making a political stance also.”

    POint of order here. He was born in ireland and plays for an irish team. No problem.

    Secondly, if the republic is a banana republic, on relative terms what does that make the soviet statelet to its north?