In the propaganda war…

Fascinating site built to propagate the Israeli side in the PR war. Not least of interest is the entry to a CNN poll (which no longer appears on the front page) with only two options: vote for Israel, or not at all. It doesn’t even let you know what question you are supposed to be answering. Still, I’m sure it’s food for thought amongst our own back room politicos looking for a cunning plan. More impressive by far however is the forensic approach of some of the US bloggers, like this effort at mapping the activities of UNIFIL in South Lebanon. Thanks to Mick Hall for the heads up!

  • Harry Flashman

    Mick you seem to be signing up for mickhall’s crazy Jew conspiracy theory, the Israelis have launched a website, gee whizz, are there no Islamofascist websites or is it only the Jooooz you’re worried about?

  • Yokel

    Jaysus thats analysis broken down to bits and put to shame anything I’ve seen from journalists here.

  • Yokel

    Yeah Mick were are the radical Islamist links…especially the ones that have archive footage of beheadings…

  • Mick Fealty

    Check out the second link Harry. My focus was on the use of the medium not a judgement on the politics expressed within it. They are quite separate issues.

  • Hurler on the Ditch

    And the prize for whataboutery goes to Yokel and Harry! And you never even used the phrase “what about”!!!!

  • Keith M

    Internet ballot stuffing is nothing new as some Irish orchestrated campaigns of the past have proved. (Rememember the Dublin youngester who ended up in the Top 10 footballers of all time).

    It would be nice to think that the reporting of the current conflict would be better balanced than it is here or in the U.K., where the imbedded hacks are just regurgitating anti-Israeli sentiment.

    One of the Sky reporters left the cat out of the bag yesterday, admitting that they were being escorted around Tyre by Hizbollah people and told what to film.

    We don’t need to be told what a pointless body of ineptitude masquarades under the name of UNIFIL. That’s been apparent for years. What we do need to know is why the Irish army still has people over there. This is wreckless endangerment by both UNO and the Irish government.

  • andy

    Keith
    Remind me about how the incident you mentioned (think it was CNN not sky but could be wrong) Is any different to the journalists I see reporting among Israeli troops on the border?

    I don’t see too many interviews from Hezbollah but I see plenty from the IDF – that hilarious soundbite about them helping lebanon keeps going round my head.

    I generally think Israel gets a hard time over things, but as regards Lebanon they get off lightly.

  • MarkoBrando

    How can anyone defend the bombing of a civilian population?

    Try to put away your feelings for whatever side you sympathise with and see it for what it is; An army from one country are bombing another country in order to kill a guerilla army but killing many more innocent civilians in the process. This is clearly breaking international law and yet it is allowed to continue.

  • Keith M

    “Remind me about how the incident you mentioned (think it was CNN not sky but could be wrong) Is any different to the journalists I see reporting among Israeli troops on the border?”

    The Israeli army is not using Lebanese women and children as human shields, as Hizbollah are doing. The “journalists” in Lebannon are barebly more than ambulance chasers based on the biased reports we are being fed.

    MarkoBrando; perhaps you can tell us how you would get rid of Hizbollah and stop their ongoing attacks on Israel? Doing nothing isn’t an option.

  • Garibaldy

    Keith,

    Did you advocate the Brits bombarding Dundalk, a territory in another country which was being used to launch terrorist attacks aimed at both civilians and soldiers? Of course not. Why should Israel get away with it then with no complaint.

  • I humbly submit a tool to help cut the crap, Fealty-san.

    Mosaic appears on the LINKTV (tree hugger TV) web site. It is a collection of daily news reports from private and state controlled TV stations and networks. It provides English language broadcasts or an English language voiceover if the broadcast is in Arabic or Farsi. You can watch the show on the web site.

    The English language shows obviously don’t have the pointed editing of Zionist fronts like MEMRI . The English language voiceovers could be tweaked but then the University of Georgia wouldn’t have given Mosaic the Peabody if they were an obvious front like MEMRI. Make up your own mind.

    Lately they have been having panel discussions for a half hour before the running of the show on LINKTV (which I get through satellite.) Yesterday’s session is available on their “intelligence” blog and even had a guy that was with Netanyahu during the last peace attempt Clinton made. They don’t reach any more conclusions than the Sluggettes do but mindsets come across, some very odd to me like the Lebanese Christian woman last week blurting out that she viewed Hezbollah as “freedom fighters”. I sure as hell didn’t see that one coming.

  • andy

    Keith
    right – so the allegation that one side is using human shields means that they can’t show journalists around….?

    Smilin’ Jim. I’ve been to Lebanon a couple of times and among others have come across Muslims who didn’t like Hezbollah and Christians who did (the latter tended to be left wingers who had spent time out of the country).

  • “the latter tended to be left wingers who had spent time out of the country”

    I don’t know which foot she kicked with but she definitely was stateside.

    The LINK studio is in San Francisco.

  • harpo

    ‘Did you advocate the Brits bombarding Dundalk, a territory in another country which was being used to launch terrorist attacks aimed at both civilians and soldiers?’

    Garibaldy:

    If circumstances had been the same, and so the PIRA had bases and fire points in Dundalk, then I would have been on for bombarding them.

    Fortunately though, the ROI authorities had enough sense not to allow the PIRA to set up batteries of rockets, fortified bunkers etc openly on ROI territory. The real sitution was just s it was in NI – a few fanatics using safe houses and premises to launch their attacks from. What point would there have been in bombarding whole towns since you either didn’t know where the safe houses were, or if you did know, a specific strike (a raid) on that house was sufficient to deal with the threat?

    I’ve seen others complain about constantly comparing NI with Israel, and here I agree with them. It wasn’t the same situation, although you try to make it seem the same.

    If it actually had been the same situation, and the ROI government had allowed the PIRA to adopt Hezbollah tactics, then bombardment of places like Dundalk would have been justified.

  • circles

    Q: How can anyone defend the bombing of a civilian population?

    A: Just ask Harpo. And serves them right for living in the wrong neighbourhoods too, aye Harpo? Its OK to kill civilians if their neighbours might be attacking you. Stretching this point only very slightly and you can justify all the sectarian murders of the troubles Harpo – but hopefully the men in white coats on the winky wagon will get you before that.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    From the 7/26/06 UNIFIL press release…

    “Another UN position of the Ghanaian battalion in the area of Marwahin in the western sector was also directly hit by one mortar round from the Hezbollah side last night. The round did not explode, and there were no casualties or material damage. Another 5 incidents of firing close to UN positions from the Israeli side were reported yesterday. It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Brashit, and At Tiri. All UNIFIL positions remain occupied and maintained by the troops.”

  • It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Brashit, and At Tiri. All UNIFIL positions remain occupied and maintained by the troops.”

    I don’t understand the intent of your emphasis here, Phreddy.

    1. Are you telling us that the UN positions were being shared with Hezbollah as collusion, you know black helicopter stuff?

    2. Or, are you telling us that the bombing of the UN outpost was because the IDF targeted that outpost after receiving fire from it?

    Take the rest of the afternoon off and clarify this for us like a good lad.

    Sorry I didn’t get to you before, the business just gets in my way.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Neither, James.

    If they are allowing locations near their own sights to be used as firing positions, as their own press release would seem to indicate, can they really be called “neutral observers?”

  • Mick, this is proof positive that your rationale in setting up this thread has failed. You do not need a web site to wage the propaganda war. You only need a willing dupe

    If they are allowing locations near their own sights to be used as firing positions, as their own press release would seem to indicate, can they really be called “neutral observers?”

    What we have here is failure to communicate.

    neutral
    Neutral people do not take sides or engage in combat.

    observer
    Observers do nothing but observe.

    That region is heavily folded. The observation posts are on ridgetops. If you want to take a shot at the Israelis you have to be on the ridgetop too. DUH!!

    UNIFIL took 257 KIA just so wannabes like you can spin this bullshit. How many times did you get hit?

    UNIFIL has no remit for conducting combat field operations nor are they armed for it: No artillery, no air cover, just tracks and small arms. With two battalions, three platoons and one squad at headquarters, that leaves an average of 22 of all specialties, cooks, sparkies, motor pool at each of the 40 odd observation posts. They might be able to muster a squad or two to bleed all over the enemy.

    Your black helicopter is waiting.

  • micheal

    You might like to check out this little gem from Bill Levenson on
    on israpundit
    . It might help to explain the obsessions of some of your zionist correspondents.

  • Michael

    Michael

    Sadly I have a life to lead and missed your last posts on the other Lebanon conflict forum.

    Lets have a look at some of your earlier points.

    1- I know exactly how I’m spelling your name…

    2- When the best thing you can do is plaster my email address on the forum you’ve clearly got no argument left. Please feel free to post it again if you wish, I’m sure the admin people on this forum would be delighted to discuss this with you.
    3- Hizbollah bein pound for pound the best fighting force in the world? Now how did you expect me to react to that? Great attempt at a wind up but I’m not buying.

    May god bless you.

  • Yokel

    That was posted by Yokel…I’m so concerned with the pitiful almost delirious state of Michael that I can’t stop thinking about whether its better to just put him to sleep…

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Apparently, James, Hizbollah has the same opinion of UNIFIL as you impute the Israelis have…

    From the 24/6/06 UNIFIL press release:

    “One unarmed UN military observer, a member of the Observer Group Lebanon (OGL), was seriously wounded by small arms fire in the patrol base in the Marun Al Ras area yesterday afternoon. According to preliminary reports, the fire originated from the Hezbollah side during an exchange with the IDF. He was evacuated by the UN to the Israeli side, from where he was taken by an IDF ambulance helicopter to a hospital in Haifa. He was operated on, and his condition is now reported as stable.”

    Also, from the 25/6/06 UNIFIL press release:

    “This morning, Hezbollah opened small arms fire at a UNIFIL convoy consisting of two armored personnel carriers (APC) on the road between Kunin and Bint Jubayl. There was some damage to the APCs, but no casualties, and the convoy was obliged to return to Kunin.”

    Funny how the UN isn’t up on its high-horse about these attacks…

  • Ringo

    Dread Cthulhu

    Funny how the UN isn’t up on its high-horse about these attacks…

    You mean the attacks where no one died? As opposed to the ones where 4 of their people did? Funny that.

    AFAIK The Irish UNIFIL presence lost roughly the same amount of soldiers to both Israeli and Lebanese attacks over the years.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Ringo: “You mean the attacks where no one died? As opposed to the ones where 4 of their people did? Funny that.”

    Its not for a lack of trying, now is it?

    How is Israel supposed to take seriously when UNIFIL stood back and allowed Hizbollah to entrench, to militarize the border, acquire the plethora of rockets (what, 1500+ launched thus far), all with nary a burp or “excuse me.”

  • micktvd

    You might like to check out this little gem from Bill Levenson on
    on israpundit It might help to explain the obsessions of some of your zionist correspondents.

    Micheal

    I had a look through the site, Micheal. There was one guy advocating napalming downtown Damascus and another who wanted a preemptive nuclear strike on both Syria and Lebanon. And they keep talking about ‘so called’ Palestinians as apes. Thanks, I feel much better now! :{

  • Phreddy, you started out with a lie masquerading as an opinion: That UNIFIL was in the pay of Hezbollah. Once the lie was made bare you turned things around in a clumsy way to show that the unarmed observers are getting shot to shit by Hezbollah the very people you swore UNIFIL is in league with. Now you gloat over an attack on an UNIFIL convoy.

    How many rounds have you ducked, Phreddy?

    This is not an intellectual exercise. These kids are not dying so you can go to troll school..

    I have mentioned before that I am puzzled by the mental disconnect stereotypical Irish-Americans like you make between Ireland and Israel. In Ireland, the planters are dark black bastards out forever keep their jackbooted heels on the necks of the dispossessed while the Provies have sunshine beaming out of their asses. In Israel, however, the planter class are heroic pioneers besieged by evil, homicidal, spearchuckers that just seemed to magically pop out of the uninhabited desert floor.

    I mention the disconnect with Ireland because 47 of those who died so you can gloat over the dead were from the Irish Battalion, IrishBatt.
    You are a traitor to your own kin, Phreddy.

    Does your family know that Mr. “Second Generation” is doing shame-shame in Irish graves?

  • EWI

    What we do need to know is why the Irish army still has people over there.

    I’d guess the Irish Army and Government both have a better appraisal of the situation than you have, Keith. Shocking, I know.

  • EWI

    How is Israel supposed to take seriously when UNIFIL stood back and allowed Hizbollah to entrench, to militarize the border, acquire the plethora of rockets (what, 1500+ launched thus far), all with nary a burp or “excuse me.”

    And let the IDF and their DFF cronies swan around for years, too. What’s that, no enthusiasm for the same strong action against the IDF then?

  • P O’Neil

    More to this ‘conflict’ than meets the eye… In ‘Building America’s Defenses’ (2000) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm although I think the original is still on PNAC’s website. Paper was written by the Chaney / Rumsfeld criminal syndicate. Some of the quotes are rather chilling “we need a new ‘Pearl Harbour’ tpye event to get the American People behind a war of aggression in the Middle-East.” “Saddam is not a threat, but a convient pretext for an invasion of Iraq” etc etc. This is just mearly the next stage of the Anglo-American plan. The Brits are trying to escalate the situation and were recently caught trying to deliver radioactive materials, that could be used to make a ‘dirty bomb’ to IRAN (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397124&in_page_id=1770).

    Here’s the REAL cost of the war (http://www.uruknet.info/?p=24885) and it’s only going to get worse, not just in terms of ‘colateral damage’ but also in intensity. You can be rest assured that if America and Britain get they’re way Iran and Syria will be dragged into the conflict.

    PS how many of you know that Britain has offered the State of Israel a place in the Commonwealth?? An offer Israel is now seriously considering. SO if they do accept – it wont be long before you Brits will be over there fighting another BS war.

  • andy

    howdy P O’Neil

    any evidence for this commonwealth claim?

  • ciaran damery

    Given the apparent unconditional support the Zionist fascists enjoy from George Bush, rumsfield and Uncle Tom Rice, and the US’s ability to point fingers of blame at the islamic Republic of Iran and Syria, one can only hope that Hezbollah can retain most of it military capacity. At this stage the people of Lebanon are almost united in their support for the Hezbollah, having witnessed carpet bombing in southern beruit and even part where the traditinal enemies of Hezbollah, the Christian militias reside in the north. So what does the world do. Why nothing of course,can’t upset Bush and uncle tom ‘rice’, \. Meanwhile Lebanon burns, it’s civilians are being subjected to Zionist attacks with US bombs, and it’s left to the martyrs and wariors of Hezbollah to defend the country whilst the world awaits the okay from the US to establish a ceaefire, when (if) the Zionists deem the Arab warriors incapable of engaging with Israel again. What a joke! What a tragedy! But well done to Hezbollah for making the zionists pay a heavy price for this latest invasin of Lebanon. It’s a pity the Saudis and egypt remain under the firm grip of selfish dictators. But credit must be givento iran and syria for their logistical support to the party of god.

  • micheal

    I have searched but cannot find a better place to post this than on this thread which is a bit stale. I would have posted it yesterday but I was down at Downing Street with thousands of protestors.
    Several of your correspondents asked that you include links to similar sites on the other side. Here are some links you might like to consider for inclusion.

    This is a British based news site which is generally sympathetic to Hamas.

    The Palestinian Authority catalogue the daily incursions and brutalities of the IDF in the Occupied Territories.

    The Hezbollah associated al manar tv is still on line.

    The Iranian regime’s take on conflict without prior Israeli interpretation is available on iribnews.

    Their lead yesterday was opinion survey finding that 87% of Lebanese support Hezbollah’s resistance. Justification for those of use who think that indiscriminate bombing of civilian populations does not win the ‘battle for hearts and minds’?

    By the way thanks for allowing me to post the ‘All glory to the national resistance movements of Hezbollah and Hamas’ line at the end of my posts on Lebanon on an earlier thread. It was an inept attempt to mimic the statements of MP’s George Galloway and Jeremy Corbyn made at the 30,000 strong march for Lebanon in London last Saturday interestingly not picked up by the press. Galloway has since repeated something similar in writing.

    This is a different form of words from mine but in relation to Hezbollah at least I think conveys the same idea. Stupid anti-terror laws restricting freedom of speech deserve to be challenged.

    The ‘Nazi loving Irgun’ jibe I used was meant as a counter balance to one of your correspondents use of the meaningless term ‘Islamofascist’ at every opportunity.

    The sources for it are Leni Brenner and Tony Cliff
    ‘Now Israel is collaborating with the Phalangists in Lebanon, an openly fascist organisation. I’m not surprised. I remember the 1930s when Begin’s (former Israeli prime minister) organisation, the Irgun, used the Hitler salute and wore the brown shirts.’
    It was not meant to suggest that all Zionists are fascists but in my view some most definitely are.

  • P O’Neil

    Israel could join British Commonwealth

    Weekend News Today

    Source: MED

    Mon Aug 25 , 1997 —

    Israel is actively considering joining the British Commonwealth, following an “unofficial approach” to its ambassador in London from the secretary-general of the 53-member organization.

    The approach was made earlier this month in a meeting between Ambassador Moshe Raviv and the Commonwealth’s secretary-general, Chief Emeka Anyaoku. The move is being seen as especially significant at a time when Israeli ties with the European Union and other international bodies have been strained over the stalled Middle East peace process. A spokesman for the Commonwealth confirmed that a meeting had taken place between Chief Anyaoku and Mr Raviv, but declined to provide further details.

    The approach came in the wake of a visit to London earlier this month by Yasser Arafat, during which the Palestinian Authority chief asked Commonwealth officials whether a future Palestinian state could have associate membership of the organization.

  • andy

    P O’Neil
    Thanks for prompt service
    However the fact this was 9 years ago (interestingly at a time Israel was still illegally occupying parts of Lebanon), would probably mean the idea has drifted somewhat

  • P O’Neil

    The offer was made around the same time as talks began on the London Agreement – which was the precursor to the Oslow Agreements 1-3.

    Obviously the British have thier own agenda – ie if Israel were to join, then the British Monarchy could claim to be the legitimate King or Queen of Israel, insted of just ‘Thy People Israel’. Interesting enough, again at the same time, Prince Charles was being touted on Israeli national tv as a Davidic Heir.

    Also, in the 1970s Charlie boy put forward a request to the EU to be the Monarch of Europe, at the time they laughed at him, but now the tides appear to be turning, and he now has all but the backing of the European Council of Princes. So, I guess whether we like it or not, we’re going to have an English bastard forced on us as our ‘Monarch.’

  • The Green Party in Northern Ireland is calling on the leaders of the main political parties here to cancel all engagements with NIO Ministers for one week, in protest at the failure of the British Labour Party to use its influence to end the terror tactics of Israel.

    Dr John Barry and Kelly Andrews, co-leaders of the Green Party in Northern Ireland said: “After many years of calling on local political parties to use their influence to end terrorism in Northern Ireland, we have the spectacle of Tony Blair and his Ministers tacitly endorsing Israel’s state terror response to Hezbollah’s rocket attacks. “The Greens deplore all terrorist attacks and have consistently supported a radical attempt to address the underlying causes of conflict in the Middle East, notably the Palestine question.

    “However, we are appalled by the spectacle of the British Labour Party’s failure to name Israeli state’s disproportionate and counterproductive response, which amounts to a form of state terror.

    “We call on all the main parties in Northern Ireland (SDLP, Sinn Fein, Ulster Unionists and the DUP) to cancel their engagements with British Labour Ministers for one week, in protest at their hyprocrisy. After years of calling on local parties to use their influence to end terror, the Ministers in Tony Blair’s Government have tacitly endorsed an unrelenting and criminal assault on the fragile State of Lebanon and its war weary people.

    “We are calling for a one week boycott up until 8 August 2006, the date of an anti-war rally at Belfast City Hall.”

    ENDS

  • Keith M

    “The Green Party in Northern Ireland is calling on the leaders of the main political parties here to cancel all engagements with NIO Ministers for one week, in protest at the failure of the British Labour Party to use its influence to end the terror tactics of Israel.”

    Proving once again how out of touch with the real world, the tree huggiung anti-everything mob really are.

    The fact that the Greens can’t even come near to getting an MLA elected let alone a MP, shows that the public sees them for the bandwagon hopping non-entities that they really are.

  • Garibaldy

    Does this statement make the Greens legitimate targets for the Israelis?

  • Keith M

    Garibaldy; this kind of ridiculous nonsense should make them the legitimate target of anyone with two grey cells to rub together.

  • Prince Eoghan

    Keith M

    In your opinion should the greens quite rightly be targetted by the Israeli’s? or Loyalists for that matter?

  • andy

    Keith
    I don’t mean to cause personal offence, but I think you’ll find that the Green’s position on Lebanon is much more representative of the man on the street than your seemingly unconditional support for state-sanctioned war crimes.

    Additionally, as I believe you are on record as desiring the Irish Republic to come back into an united kingdom (open to correction) you probably aren’t in a position to criticise people for having views “out of touch with the real world” anyway!

  • harpo

    ‘How can anyone defend the bombing of a civilian population?’

    MarkoBrando:

    Irish Republicans have been doing it for generations. Ask them.

  • Keith M

    Andy, I believe that in 1938, Chamberlain’s position of appeasement was far more representative of the man in the street than Churchill’s policy of facing up to the fascist menance. History has proven who was right.

    I have never suggested the Republic re-join the U.K., what I suggest (in the longterm fiture) is a federal republic of the isles. Until such time as nonsense such as a “united Ireland” (outside the U.K.) is finally accepted as never going to happen, it is not an idea that is likely to get widespead discussion.

  • harpo

    ‘1. Are you telling us that the UN positions were being shared with Hezbollah as collusion, you know black helicopter stuff?

    2. Or, are you telling us that the bombing of the UN outpost was because the IDF targeted that outpost after receiving fire from it?’

    Jim:

    1. The positions are not being shared. The quote says ‘fired from the vicinity of four UN positions’. Do you know what vicinity means? Hezbollah having been doing this on a regular basis. The UN folks aren’t there to stop anybody, they are there to watch. The UN folks are tucked up in their little bunkers or posts, but aren’t going to do anything to anyone who comes close to them. Thus Hezbollah move close to UN posts and fire at the Israelis, knowing that if the Israelis fire back, there is a fair chance that the UN posts will be hit. That’s how the 4 UN guys ended up dead. The Israelis weren’t shooting at the UN post for fun. It was because there were Hezbollah units close to the UN post. Those 4 UN guys were reporting that this was what was happening.

    2. Same explanation. There were Hezbollah units close to that UN post, so when the Israelis shot back at the Hezbollah units, there was a fair chance that the UN post would be hit. As Hezbollah hoped.

    Now given that the UN guys recognized all of this, one has to ask why those UN guys were left out there. Why didn’t they demand to be allowed to leave? They weren’t capable of stopping anything, so of what use were they there? They were in extreme danger.

  • harpo

    ‘Just ask Harpo. And serves them right for living in the wrong neighbourhoods too, aye Harpo? Its OK to kill civilians if their neighbours might be attacking you. Stretching this point only very slightly and you can justify all the sectarian murders of the troubles Harpo’

    circles:

    I’m not justifying anything. But it seems pretty bleeding obvious that if Hezbollah have built a rocket fire point at the base of your apartment building that it doesn’t make much sense to stay there if the Israelis are firing at Hezbollah targets.

    It doesn’t serve them right for living there, but if they adopt your attitude and stay when all hell is descending on Hezbollah targets then what can you do?

    ‘Its OK to kill civilians if their neighbours might be attacking you.’

    I didn’t say that – those are your words. But if you are in a battle zone and your neighbours are Hezbollah – one of the sets of combatants involved – then it makes sense to get out of there if they are engaged in a battle.

    ‘Stretching this point only very slightly and you can justify all the sectarian murders of the troubles Harpo’

    I personally don’t but many Irish Republicans have done this for decades, and still do. Bomb the Shankill fish shop? The justification comes from IRs that there were supposedly UFF guys meeting close by, so what can you expect?

    In the NI case of course, the likes of the PIRA did not give proper warnings before attacking in civilian areas. They tended to deliver the weapon and then try to warn civilians. IR sympathizers will claim that the PIRA met the rules of war regarding bombardments, but they didn’t. Their attacks weren’t really bombardments anyway, and many of them weren’t even aimed at military targets anyway. In contrast the Israelis have given lots of warnings about what they were doing.

  • harpo

    ‘UNIFIL has no remit for conducting combat field operations nor are they armed for it: No artillery, no air cover, just tracks and small arms.’

    Jim:

    Exactly. They are neutral observers. They can;t stop anything.

    So what fookin sense is there in leaving them out in the middle of a shooting war? They will only be used in such a circumstance.

    We don’t need UN neutral observers to tell us that Hezbollah and the Israelis are shooting at each other. So why are they left out there, exposed?