14th hoax bomb attack on Pat Ramsey

A hoax bomb has been left at the Bogside home of Pat Ramsey, the 14th such incident and part of an ongoing campaign of intimidation because of his support for police.There was another hoax bomb incident yesterday on the Strabane by-pass. Local Sinn Fein councillor Ivan Barr thinks its aim was(subs required):

“…to cause maximum disruption and force traffic onto the Melmount Road. It appears to be some sort of ruse to make Orangemen an easier target.”
He said he had received reports of young people stockpiling bricks and stones in the Melmount Road cemetery. The councillor said such behaviour was “wholly unacceptable”.

  • Prince Eoghan

    “…to cause maximum disruption and force traffic onto the Melmount Road. It appears to be some sort of ruse to make Orangemen an easier target.”
    He said he had received reports of young people stockpiling bricks and stones in the Melmount Road cemetery. The councillor said such behaviour was “wholly unacceptable”.

    All that wasted talent, I hear Tony Blair might be looking for a new strategist.

  • The heroes of Ireland strike again. Idiots.

    Why don’t these scumbags crawl back under the rock from whence they came- they offer nothing to Irish society, have no mandate, and adhere to a flawed and sectarian ‘ideology’.

  • lib2016

    “It appears to be some sort of ruse to make Orangemen an easier target” and lets down republicanism no end.

    Besides nothing annoys a real Orangie more than smiling and being nice to him!

  • seabhac siulach

    El Matador:

    “Why don’t these scumbags crawl back under the rock from whence they came- they offer nothing to Irish society, have no mandate, and adhere to a flawed and sectarian ‘ideology’.”

    Are you talking about the Orange Order, perchance?
    Okay, only joking…, I think…

    Derry looks like a flashpoint this summer from the bits and pieces of news coming out of the place…something is stirring there…

  • SS-

    We’ll leave the OO for another day. I’m talking about self-styled dissident ‘republicans’ who have no more respect for the concept of a pluralist and democratic republic than they have for people whose lives they make a misery.

  • lib2016

    SS,

    From other posts it would seem that in Glengormley and the other villages around Belfast the younger generation, which is predominately nationalist, doesn’t seem to be prepared to sit back and wait for Norn Ireland to fall into their laps. There have been protests at the bunting which reflects an earlier time when those areas were predominantly Orange.

    Too much delay in introducing the GFA etc. may be producing a reaction which I didn’t expect for another 4/5 years. Could the same impatience be manifesting itself in Derry?

  • Nathan

    If the numbskulls responsible for this believe that causing by distress and worry for a political rep and his family is an achievement then they are seriously mistaken.

    Holy grail republicans who wish to have an influence in Irish and N.Irish society, should stop marginalising themselves in this manner.

    With silly stunts like this they truly deserve their rock-bottom status in Irish/N.Irish society.

  • heres hoping

    Before I begin I 100% totally disagree and condemn any attacks on the fountain estate, Pat Ramsey, his family, his home or his neighbours.

    These ongoing attacks have to be put in context, about 4 or 5 years ago a well known RIRA man in the bogside started to befriend a number of young people in the area and persuaded them to mount attacks on the fountain estate. This same guy showed the young people how to make very elaborate hoak bombs which were left all over the area in an attempt to draw the psni in. In some cases local people found them and disposed of them but sometimes the psni fell for the trap and some minor stone throwing ensued. When the psni wised up to this carryon and left the devices to the next day or totally ignored them this hero identified Pat Ramsey as a target which would guarantee to get the psni in. Subsequently around two years ago this hero was identified by the RIRA as an informer and he fled Derry. So now in this area we are left with an ongoing situation at the Fountain which a community rota has been able to deal with most of the situations but unfortunately when the young people cannot get their fun they abuse Pat Ramsey his family and his neighbours. At the root of these situation a RIRA informer. Pat Ramsey needs to ask questions of the PSNI. What role did P**** *******h have in orchestrating attack in the fountain or on his home.

    Last night no-one should be in any doubt who was behind all the carry on in the Bogside the so called Real IRA burned a runaround car, and the PSNI for their over reaction and attempts to goad young people by driving through the area sirens blaring, lights flashing and chasing children.

  • G

    Lib,

    You give these people far too much credit; it is nothing to do with impatience at the delay in implementation of the gfa.

    It’s simple an opportunity for public disorder and to attack themuns.

    We don’t need to try to dress it up otherwise.

  • lib2016

    G

    In my own wider family there are SDLP types who are similarly seething at all the delays. I agree that these hooligans are idiots seizing on any excuse. My point is that there has never been a shortage of idiots, on either side.

  • Reminds me of a particularly bitter exchange in Derry City Council chambers one evening at a time when there had been a prolonged campaign against SDLP reps from dissidents.
    Sympathies were extended to those affected but one SF councillor said that the police were over-reacting to the alerts and that the ‘devices’ were harmless and easily dealt with.
    He offered to come and confirm this next time one was found in the city.
    An SDLP councillor replied something to the effect of: “Well you would know, you’re the experts on those sorts of things.”

  • peter fallow

    If this person exists, and IS an informer for the PSNI, then well done to the police for this coup. We need as much information as we can get on republican psychopaths. No wonder they are completely broken as an oranisation, with every operation compromised. Londonderry has always been the easiest place for our security forces to penetrate, nice to see that hasn’t changed.

  • seabhac siulach

    lib2016

    “Too much delay in introducing the GFA etc. may be producing a reaction which I didn’t expect for another 4/5 years. Could the same impatience be manifesting itself in Derry?”

    Your comments re nationalists becoming radicalised in Glengormley and surroundings is interesting. It follows pretty much my own thinking that the peace process and the GFA have (or had) only a small period of time in which to work…otherwise those nationalists who have grown up in an increasingly sectarian society post-1994 would not be content to sit back and wait eternally for their national rights (or, in fact, merely their right to be represented and governed in Stormont or elsewhere by whomsoever they choose)…
    It is an established fact that the sectarian fault lines within the 6 counties are more deep now than in 1994, with a lot of forced population movement having taken place since then (just think of Ahoghill last summer and many other examples). The statistics show that the number of ‘mixed’ areas in the six counties are now much fewer than in 1994, indicating that the two sections of the community have become more polarised even than in the years of the troubles.
    Whatever about political events, this is not a good sign for the future, and one quite readily ignored by the media. PR puff pieces about Orangefests and the like will not hide for long the true sectarian nature of the six county state, I feel.

    It is a sobering thought to think that a six year old in 1994, could quite easily be a radicalised man of 18 today. How long these ‘young turks’ will be happy to remain quiescent under Adams & McGuinness is the question…
    Of course, any such rupture does not, in itself, have to be a violent one or to lead or amount to violence. But, I would imagine that if November 24th comes and goes with no progress, then pressure for change will increase…
    Adams and McGuinness have been saying ‘Tiocfaidh ár lá’ for 36/37 years now and it is wearing a bit thin, I would think.

  • Rubicon

    SS – I don’t disagree with the frustrations you point to if the 24th deadline isn’t met – but your back-drop of an increasingly sectarian society (post ’94) I’m sceptical about.

    Clearly, some areas have become more polarised. But a decline in mixing need not have sectarian causes. Some ‘observations’ of increased polarisation tend to generalise from very specific examples; e.g., by pointing to to increasing segregation and hostilities between communities in a particular area (usually a ‘peace-line’ interface) and then pointing to wider census statistics showing an increase in segregation.

    Don’t be conned by it – there are many plausible explanations for population movements that have nothing to do with sectarianism – even in NI!

    Only those not here pre-’98 (or too young) will be easily convinced the NI today is worse than it was than it was when sectarian murders were an everyday news event. A lot of progress has been made and the mindsets of the young (too often maligned by ‘lack of knowledge of the bad old days’) have had 8 years without having the devastation visited on them that truly motivates ‘evening the score’.

    Those 8 years were provided by the majority and lead by the UUP and SDLP. That responsibility has now passed to the 2 nay-sayers – the DUP & SF.

    Can they provide for their people as well? Time will tell – but I hope it is these parties that are held to account if they don’t and other solutions sought than violence and murder. It’s not just the youth of ’94 who’ve “grown-up”.

  • seabhac siulach

    Rubicon:

    “Don’t be conned by it – there are many plausible explanations for population movements that have nothing to do with sectarianism – even in NI!”

    Name one? Are you saying that there are ways, other than sectarian segregation, that can explain how some areas have become almost purely Nationalist or Unionist since 1994? If it is by chance it is a hell of a coincidence…
    I believe that the increased polarisation of the society can be seen in overall census figures and is not based on local areas. It is a 6 county wide development. For example, there is a well established movement of Protestants from out-lying regions of the six counties to the two North-Eastern counties. It is a movement East of the Bann in many ways. Protestants are leaving Derry, for example and moving to Limavady and Coleraine. These population movements are ongoing…

    “Only those not here pre-’98 (or too young) will be easily convinced the NI today is worse than it was than it was when sectarian murders were an everyday news event.”

    That is my point…those who are too young to remember the troubles will be the very ones most likely to wish to revisit those days (days that are glorified, or at least not allowed to be forgotten, in many ways by the media and different politicians/commemorations, etc.).

  • Rubicon

    Name one? (SS)

    Sure! People do move for reasons other than sectarian reasons – consider a retiring couple for example. Many will consider moving from urban environments to quieter more rural settings while still being close to amenities – small sea-side towns often being a preference but moving closer to children can also be another.

    Since the Protestant community is older than the RC community – all things being equal – Catholic professionals moving in to leafy urban suburbs and retiring Protestants moving out can occur without a single word of sectarian abuse. Indeed – it occurs over a handshake, mutual thanks and wishes for good luck in the future.

    Add to this the wish of NI family members to live close to one another (no better example than the sprawling development of West Belfast) then you have the example you asked for.

    It is undoubtedly true that some areas are increasingly dominated by one community for more sinister sectarian reasons. My point is that you associate an single outcome with one specific cause. I have pointed to another more ‘normal’ explanation – the same that is used to describe population changes in western societies more generally.

    We’re not that unique – we’re motivated by similar material temptations and given the same conditions we behave in similar ways. NI is different not only by having overt sectarianism – but also in have two different demographic structures and settlement patterns.

  • seabhac siulach

    Rubicon:

    Okay we can agree to disagree…you wish to see the glass as half full, myself that it is half empty (or worse!)…

    Whatever the reasons (sectarian or otherwise) for the increasing polarisation, the fact that it is a reality means that the two largest cultures in the 6 counties remain largely unknown to each other…so it is unlikely to lead to a coming together politically or to ease whatever sectarian problems already exist…that is my point…

  • Good on you Ramsey – keep standing up to these bastards and their fellow travellers.

    The North is lucky to have people like you.

  • londonderry_loyal

    It all comes down to republcians not wanting a catholic politican supporting the psni living in the bogside!!

    This man has been tortured, like his sdlp collaegue in strabane who’s home has been attacked many times before.

  • Paul

    Pat Ramsey is a democratically elected MLA. His party hold the Foyle seat in Westminster, again by democratic mandate. An attack on an elected representative is an attack, by proxy, on all the people who voted for him. It is a fascist philosophy, we can’t persuade you so we will use violence against you until you do what we want.