When speaking unto the world…

Remember some of them may be listening, and they may just take offence. Looks like the little international tete-a-tete that followed Gerry Anderson’s remarks has made it back into the MSM. The Belfast Telegraph reports.

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  • Aaron_Scullion

    clearly written a few days ago, seeing at is claims just over 100 comments in the article!

  • Pete Baker

    Mick

    Also in the Bel Tel, on Sat – Gerry Anderson’s semi-coherent thoughts on the matter,:

    An ill-judged remark on the radio about the president of the United States and the subsequent reportage in this venerated organ (about which I have no complaints) resulted in my receiving strange e-mails from all over the world.

  • Gerry Lvs Castro

    The instigator of an illegal invasion and mass-murdering religious zealot has been invited to rot in hell by a small-town local DJ. This is news?

  • I haven’t noticed any papers in the US mention it yet.

  • Hugh Green

    In other news, a political website has reported on a news report of a row on the political website over a news report that the political website reported.

    Le serpent qui se mange la queue, I think.

  • Robbie McCauley

    Gerry Anderson is certainly not a representative spokesperson for Northern Ireland. I feel that he is just like a common street urchin or as I perfer to say, ‘a corner boy’. He is typically loud and vulgar and, personally, I would take little heed of what he says.
    I laughed when recently I saw a cruise advert and one of the ‘personalities’ on it was the same Gerry Anderson. This ad immediately put me off applying as I’m sure it did with many others.
    Gerry is the flotsam on the bath water.

  • Aaron_Scullion

    Harsh on Gerry. He’s not my cup of tea but I think he represents something local and wonderful – a great storyteller in the Irish (Ulster-Scots?) tradition. The local broadcasting scene would be a poorer, drabber, more-homogonised place without him.

    Shame he’s never read the BBC editorial guidelines though.

  • derek frottage le gimp

    Yes Robbie, thankfully we dont have to suffer those types too much at the logde or rotary club.

    Wendy and I are taking the children on a jaunt around the Norwegian Fjords this summer taking in the Edinburgh tatoo on the way back.

    Anderson probably has an enormous penis as well.

  • willis

    Derek

    You want to be careful in Edinburgh.

    I’m reliably informed of this exchange between two tourists “I don’t know about this Tattoo, sounds a bit trailer trash to me”

    They must have been Canadians, or Mexican, or Democrats. Certainly not those patriotic lovely Republicans who have such an excellent sense of humour and thick skin. Oh and they understand irony.

  • soapy

    if potential tourists were offended and minded to not go to a nation because of something a DJ said, then no one would ever go to america. howard stern anyone?

    what a pack of whinging tosspots some yanks can be, especially the bushites (emphasis on the last six letters there).

    on saying that, the usa remains a great nation and most of its people are good people. hopefully one day, when bush is in hell, it will get its wit back, ditch the paranoia, get a sense of humour and realise that the sun does not shine out of its fat arse. either that, or it will continue its slide into becoming the (dangerous) laughing stock of the world.

    and on saying that, anderson is absolutely the best dj/tv presenter northern ireland has. witty and smart, unconventional bold and dodgy. and he is entitled to his opinion, even if it is right.

    keep doing the do, gerry.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mick,

    I’m very disappointed you didn’t use the blog entry above to attempt to mount a reasonable defence of Slugger. It is at least plausible, if not very likely, that a sustained effort was made by a small number of people to post very similar messages condemning Anderson’s remarks under different usernames. Instead, Belfast Telegraph leaders may have been misled by some poorly informed reporting that Anderson’s remark has actually damaged the tourist industry here.

    The USA is getting more and more like an authoritarian state any day. Why is it that a silly, ad hominem remark about the head of state is taken as a gross insult to the people of the entire nation, and that the people from the country where the speaker made the insult are collectively responsible ? It is not funny, it is utterly frightening. People like Coulter and Limbaugh insult European political leaders constantly, all the time. Do European people believe that the Americans are insulting them ?

    I’m so saddened by the way the USA seems to be going. It’s a great country full of great people, I’ve visited there many times, and I count Americans among some of my closest friends (happily, they’re members of the >49% who voted against Bush). But if this crap keeps up it’s going to be consumed by division and hate among it’s own citizens. The American right needs some introspection. Future American generations are going to curse the names of this ascendant group of savages their ancestors have installed to run their country.

  • Rory

    Well the most important thing about the article as far as I’m concerned is that they finished up by quoting from my original post on the matter.

    They didn’t attribute credit though, but hell who need’s fame at my age?

  • Ulster Scot

    Granted Gerry Anderson perhaps did not choose his words correctly when describing the US president but is Iraq anything to be proud of and does he really believe that it it is a war against terrorism? No doubt Saddam was a tyrant and needed getting rid of but I certainly never heard of Al Quaida (nor any other insurgent group) residing there when he was in power. G. W. Bush could perhaps redeem his popularity at home and abroad by spearheading an international task force to enact regime change in Burmah/Myomar and reinstate the leader who was democratically elected.

  • Stephen Copeland

    Rory,

    … finished up by quoting from my original post on the matter.

    I just had another look at your post, and I think you might be quite glad that they did’t attribute it! Those kind of thoughts expressed in public have earned browner people a one-way trip to Cuba.

    There aren’t any large vehicles with blacked-out windows parked outside your house these days, are there?

  • Prince Eoghan

    Rory.

    I am jealous now. One of my comments made it to some right-wing blog, but yours was quoted in print, gosh;¬)

  • Aislingeach

    Comrade Stalin-
    “It is at least plausible, if not very likely, that a sustained effort was made by a small number of people to post very similar messages condemning Anderson’s remarks under different usernames.”

    While that may have happened it is more likely that they came from one (or only a few) website(s) directing outrage at Slugger for not piling on Anderson. Loosening the attack dogs is a fairly common tactic to make one’s opponents shut up.

    And Rory, I recognized your quote in the article and got a good chuckle from it…again.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Ulster Scot: “Granted Gerry Anderson perhaps did not choose his words correctly when describing the US president but is Iraq anything to be proud of and does he really believe that it it is a war against terrorism? No doubt Saddam was a tyrant and needed getting rid of but I certainly never heard of Al Quaida (nor any other insurgent group) residing there when he was in power. ”

    Actually, Iraq was, as a minimum, a terrorists retirement village, with the like of Abu Nidal hanging about, among others. Likewise, he was subsidizing the Palestinian suicide-bombers to the tune of $20,000 per “event.” As such, his involvement in terrorism is uncontestable — al-Qaeda involvement is definately sketchier, pretty much coming down to which source/blog/screaming mimi you’d prefer to believe.

  • Rory

    Stephen Copeland,

    Now you mention it, Stephen, there was a car with darkened windows outside earlier but then the window slid down and by the dreadlocks, large trumpet he was toking on and Bob Marley blasting mega from the multi stereo system, I realised it was just Winston, our friendly neighbourhood supplier of essential dinner party extras.

    Besides if I do get taken off to Guantanamo, as soon as my comrades among the octagenarian veterans of the Bay of Pigs get to hear of it they will come to my rescue and see off those Yanqui imperialists as they did in days of yore.

    Prince Eoghan,

    “Eatchya heart out, baby!”.

    I suppose you’ll be wanting an autographed photograph of me now?

  • Raymie

    I back Gerry to the hilt. George Bush claims to be a Christian – Do US Christians believe that Christ would support precision bombs? Depleted Uranium high explosives? The shooting of civilians because they came to close to military vehicles? Prisoner abuse? Of course if hell exists the personal responsible for these things will find the route straight to that place. But I do think that it is wrong to personalize US military conduct around the world. The US military and people who live in the US are not always the same thing. There are loads of good things about the US, I would like to hear some US citizens outline the great successes of their system?

    I would also like US citizens to tell us all how many countries they have been at war with since 1945? Why they believe these wars happened? For example it is a fact that they have ‘interfered’ in over 40 different regimes in South America. This resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and torture for the people from these countries. Take the case of Nicaragua. Was the Contras campaign a form of terrorism against poor people? Was this terror US sponsored? It looks like the Sandanistas will be elected in soon, will the US accept this or launch a renewed terror campaign? If the US lifted their crippling embargo on Cuba, would Cuba be a successful socialist experiment? Who has anything to fear from this? How might this influence the working class in the US?

    I would also like some rational explanation as to why the US occupation of Vietnam resulted in over 4 million deaths? We hear about the 68,000 US soldiers (approx). But why were napalm bombs dropped on villages and men, women and children slaughtered? Did this amount to a holocaust matched only by Nazi Germany? Did the US support Pol Pot because they were prepared to attack the Vietnamese? How many died as a result?

    Is the regime of Saudi Arabia a brutal dictatorship? If so why does the US supply it with military hardware and support?

    Hugo Chavez is trying to improve life for the people of his country, why have the US branded him with the slur of being within the ‘Axis of Evil’. He provides free medical care and education for people who can’t afford it. Is this a good or bad? How does Bush justify his attitude towards Chavez? Does the US system educate its poor for free? Does the US provide medical care for its sick? Why are US pensioners traveling to Canada to purchase treatment?

    What does truth mean to people in the US? Does it mean blindly believeing what those in power tell you? Who actually gains from the pursuance of these interests? Is it great corporations or the ordinary working man struggling to keep his family afloat?
    What is blind truth? Criticism is seen as Anti Americanism, why is this? The old answer – ‘well then you must be a commie’. Current answer ‘you’re showing your anti American credentials’.

    Personally, I do not support radical anything. But if it is ok to criticize radical Islam, is it not equally ok to criticize radical US policy? Military offensives result in death and destruction. Is the Iraq venture a success story? If there was a higher power that the US military might have to answer to, would they do what they do? Or is it simply that no one else can hold them to account so therefore? If Nazi Germany had won the war how would the history books have been written? How are US history books written? For any US citizen reading this, do you know how many Russians died during WW2? If you do not know ask yourself why do you not know? Then go and look it up – if you can find it? Then ask yourself why is it you know how many Jews were murdered in the same war?

    What does a power have to do to earn the name mass murderer? Or war criminal? Does it require another power that is powerful enough to call it so? Or does it actually earn that title by its actions?

    I could go on with this but I know that for those who want to blindly believe nothing else matters. Isn’t that why people end up in hell, if such an imaginary place could exist. The writer of these words has just become ‘the enemy’. This is the way of blind faith in the Koran, the Bible or The US. I am now within the Axis of evil. But if exploding bombs in urban areas is evil, ask yourself who has dropped the most bombs? If I am still just the enemy, bomb away, but learn how to write because some one will write the history books truthfully analyzing current military activity.

    Raymie

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Ah, Raymie, so many factual errors, so little time…

    Seeing as Christ tended to prefer a more personal level of violence, such as upon the money-lenders, he propbably would look at the bombs with a jaundiced eye. That said, they certainly beat the dumb bombs or the incendiaries dropped upon Dresden.

    Depelete uranium is armor piercing, not high explosive and is usu. used in HDDS (High Density, Discarding Sabot) rounds, intended as anti-tank penetrators.

    I know you don’t put a high value on soldiers lives, but the soldiers tend to. A car charging a checkpoint might be a scofflaw, but could also be a terrorist. Have you ever had to make that decision?

    The Sandinistas were Soviet puppets and were pretty mcuhas great a collection of bad guys as the Contras. As for Cuba, I doubt that the “crippling US embargo” has had much impact, partly because its fairly porous and partly because the rest of the world ignores it. We’re on, what, the tenth president predicting Castro’s imminent collapse? Open trade might help Cuba, but not necessarily the Cuban people.

    Personally, I think the embargo might be the keystone keeping Castro in power and that 250K tourists on Cuba’s beaches would be more deleterious to Castro’s regieme than twice the number of invading troops — wandering the city in their designer clothes, over-tipping the help and generally showing the benefits of a free economy, from Skidoos to Ipods. The impact on the US worker would be nil, save for a cheap resort for vacations, as prior to Castro’s rise.

    Vietnam was the brainchild of Kennedy and Lyin’ Bastard Johnson. One would point out that the United States was not the sole participant in the war and that brutal tactics of the VC and NVA contributed mightily to the civilian body-count, but why let facts get in the way of a good leftist rant.

    As for Saudi, why did the the UK put the House of Saud in charge of Arabia in the first place? I mean, if they’re such a band of cranks, why did the UK opt for them, rather than another Hashemite king?

    Hugo Chavez is a former coup leader and populist who is leading his nation down the garden path. He is meddling in the affairs of his neighbors, both politically and militarily, providing aid and comfort to Columbian rebels and narco-terrorists. As for America, no hospital that receives federal funding (practially all of them) can deny medical treatment based on ability to pay. Likewise, public schools through grade 12 is free, paid for by the tax-payer. As for going to Canada, they are not going for medical procedures, they are going for prescription drugs. This is a result of the quaint pricing policy, used by both American and European pharmaceutical companies that charges Americans more than other payors, partly a result of collective bargaining in states with socialized medicine and partly a result that sales would be far less if a single payor rate for all customers was levied. The US gets to subsidize, through higher prescription costs, poorer nations. For the record, Canadians come south to the United States for medical treatments, but not their prescriptions. Likewise, the Canadian Supreme Court recently ruled their National Health Service inadequate, on the grounds that access to a waiting list is not access to medical treatment. This ruling specifies Quebec, but will likely impact the whole of the country, opening the door to private medical insurance.

  • Raymie

    Dread Cthulhu
    Amigo, your blind. How can one bomb be better than another? Because Dresden was blitzed, how does that justify anything else? So what if the Sandanistas aligned themselves with the Soviet block? As a sovereign state they had a right to align themselves to whoever they want. So what if they were communist, that was their business. Is this attitude that states can not decide on their own destiny not a problem?

    There is not a competition on between the US and UK, when the UK backed the Saudi’s does that mean it justifies anyone else backing them? If the UK were wrong to back them then so is any one else who backs the same state. If you could forget about what you think US interests are and what right you reckon that gives the US or any state to start destabilizing and slaughtering people in other countries you might start to see the whole picture. I am not on a leftist rant, a rant is where you start trading insults, in fact if you look over some of the emails generated via Gerry Andersons humorous remark, then you will see what a rant is. ie ‘If you hate us, watch out because we can hate back’. That sort of nonsense is a rant. These blog sites are full of material like this.

    By the way did you know how many Russians were killed during WW2, or did that not even seem like a legitimate question – after all they were only Russians? Depleted Uranium bombs use high explosives, and leave a lot of radiation around that hits other people beyond the ‘legitimate’ target. Get out from behind the point scoring and start to look at the essence of these arguments. By the way there is plenty of time and I’m happy to listen.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Raymie: “So what if the Sandanistas aligned themselves with the Soviet block? As a sovereign state they had a right to align themselves to whoever they want.”

    Did not the Sandinista’s come to power by violence and revolution, originally — its that not “might makes right?

    Raymie: “when the UK backed the Saudi’s does that mean it justifies anyone else backing them?”

    Not the question asked, Raymie — if the Saudis were such obvious bastards, why did the UK put them in power in the first place? That was the question asked. Now, if you’re not up to answering, don’t worry — its expected.

    Raymie: By the way did you know how many Russians were killed during WW2, or did that not even seem like a legitimate question – after all they were only Russians? ”

    Don’t even need a reference to answer that, Raymie. 29 million, give or take. 12 million combatants and 17 million civilians. These numbers include the Russians killed by other Russians, as well as the Germans, iirc. Depending on the estimates used, it is roughly equal to those purged by Stalin, including millions of peaseants, Jews, Ukrainians, etc.

    Raymie: “Depleted Uranium bombs use high explosives, and leave a lot of radiation around that hits other people beyond the ‘legitimate’ target. ”

    No, they are not. They are shells – high explosives behind a projectile. They are solid shots, used to penetrate hard targets. They are not “bombs.”

    Raymie, you’re on anti-American rant 101 model 1.01, version 2006, taking a handful of things you don’t agree with and going on a moralistic raving.

  • Raymie

    My comments stand, and are out there for any one to read and think about. As for Dread C.’s attempts to side step the core issues, they are also there for any one else to read and assess. I would particularly point out his naive remark about Hugo Chev. medeling in the affairs of his neighbours ‘politically and militarilly’, if this logic makes some one part of an evil empire – apply it to the US and tell me what the result is? Also the idea that he/she might think the Uk’s colonial past could be justified or defended, or is some sort of bench mark for the behaviour of so called ‘civilized states’. This does not even need a reply.

    Also ask why Dread C. hides behind a pseudonym if he really believes what he is saying? But I got to give him/her credit where it’s due, he/she managed to hold off with the ‘aniti American rant’ phrase until his second email, an astounding feat for some one who thinks some bombs are good.

    So good luck to any one that is mad enough to spend any portion of their lives reading sites like this. I suppose that logic has to apply equally to me. And in the humour of Gerry Anderson ‘May George Bush rot in hell’. Sure, the truth is, and we all know it, that good Christians like him only do God’s work and therefore he will spend eternity floating on a cloud wearing a halo. As for Dread C. I have a feeling that you may be enjoying life in a hot climate right now? But don’t worry it’ll all end some day.
    Bye Bye Raymie