Is Drumcree a dead issue?

Once the great rallying point for the Orange Institution -and loyalist paramilitaries-, the annual Drumcree march takes place today, amidst little publicity and with virtually no communal tension. As in the Ormeau Road, has the parading issue in Portadown now been resolved?

  • Mouthpieces for Sinn Fein telling the Orange Order where they can and can’t go – you have a strange definition of the word resolved Mr Donnelly.

  • Aaron_Scullion

    So who would the Orange Order like to tell them where they can and can’t go?

  • Bemused

    Nobody. They think that they can do whatever the fuck they like, wherever they like, whenever they like – apparently it’s because the roads in the North are ‘the Queen’s highway’…..fucking twats.

  • “So who would the Orange Order like to tell them where they can and can’t go? “
    I won’t presume to speak for them since I’ve no connection with them, but I just get the impression that describing the issue as ‘resolved’ because the anti-Orange republicans get their way instead of the Orange Order getting theirs is a bit premature (and that’s the most diplomatic way I could think of describing it).

  • Prince Eoghan

    “Mouthpieces for Sinn Fein telling the Orange Order where they can and can’t go – you have a strange definition of the word resolved Mr Donnelly.”

    I agree. We should have a govt. who stands upto intolerant supremacists, one that is strong enough to tell them where they can and can’t go. If they then decide that they don’t wish to respect their fellow countrymen/women, then jail the lot of them for public-order offences.

  • Englander

    Hi, I don’t quite know all the details of your conflict but have tried to follow it as best I could – I saw that when papers were released under the thirty year rule there had been a plan to ‘repartition’ Northern Ireland’ and there have since been further ideas of this put forward with the territory ‘West of the Bann’ going to Ireland. If this happened (and please forgive my geographical ignorance) – which side of the new border would Drumcree be on??

    Many thanks.

  • Prince Eoghan

    “which side of the new border would Drumcree be on??”

    The wrong side. Engurlander, do you have a link to these plans?

  • joeCanuck

    Beano

    What’s sauce for the goose……..

    You used the phrase “anti-orange republicans”. Aren’t the Orange Order members “anti-republican orangemen”?
    What’s the difference?

  • Henry94

    A lot of the heat is gone out of it without a doubt. Given the choice the Orange would sooner not march down the road than talk to the people who live on the road.

    That’s a resolution of sorts. And it is an analogy for the bigger picture. Choice (in politics) rarely means doing whatever you want but usually means choosing between less than ideal options.

  • joeCanuck

    Politics is the art of the possible.
    Otto Von Bismarck, remark, Aug. 11, 1867

  • lib2016

    The general prosperity in Portadown has a lot to do with the current peace. No-one wants to go back to the bad old days when commercial life was put on hold for days and weeks at a time.

    I heard an interview recently where the Resident’s groups were welcoming the new arrivals into their community from Portugal and Poland, mostly. New shops are opening and the local shopping centre is expanding.

    Just happen to have a quote here from a certain speech by a politican called Paisley on the evening of 11 July 1995 “There can be no turning back on this issue – we will die if neccessary rather than surrender. If we don’t win this battle all is lost, it is a matter of life and death.”

    There seems to have been no trace of him in Portadown recently. Anyone know what happened to him? 😉

  • Benn

    Perhaps Paisley is in Portadown these days just like he’s in Derry. If there’s no confrontational mark to be made, some political types have no interest in being around. The question for Portadown might be under what terms can the residents and the LOL agree on a parade. A generation ago (maybe a generation and a half) nobody would have predicted that the Apprentice Boys would be getting their terms from the Bogside Residents Group – and local businessmen. Some things do evolve (with a different kind of intelligent design, but that’s a separate discussion). Cheers, Ben

  • lib2016

    Benn,

    I agree with your point that the ideal would be to allow all parades but in Portadown the situation is changing and the non-Orange population is increasing. Apparently even the alternative route is now becoming a source of complaint.

  • headmelter

    “There can be no turning back on this issue – we will die if neccessary rather than surrender. If we don’t win this battle all is lost, it is a matter of life and death.”

    There seems to have been no trace of him in Portadown recently. Anyone know what happened to him? 😉

    I hear he is getting ready for the next big stand off…..Joint Authority.

  • frank

    The orange order applied for a parade consisting of 2000 orangemen at Drumcree today.

    Only 400 turned up.

  • Rory

    I’m tempted to say, “That’s still 400 too many” but instead I’ll happily applaud the progress made.

    I expect Paisley has been unable to go to Portadown in recent days in order to “die if neccessary rather than surrender” because he has been so busy earlier having warm compassionate bedside chats with Fr Faul in Carrickmore and more recently visiting Connolly House to urge compassion on Sinn Fein in the McConville matter.

    The man is altogether too compassionate these days for small matters like standing up for the loudly proclaimed principles he urges on his followers in order to generate trouble and strife at every juncture. Still it’s nice to see he’s mellowed in old age.

  • loyalist

    Despite pathetic nationalist triumphalism it is perhaps worth noting that the parade in Londonderry restarted, after the defeat of the IRA, in the face of BRG opposition. Accepting defeat – a nationalist trait. Similarily in Ardoyne and in the future in Portadown. Will nationalists be as peaceful in North Belfast this year, or will Martin have to work more directly for the British and police the residents?

  • Occasional Commentator

    Portadown District Master Darryl Hewitt said: “so-called Protestants who are members” of the Parades Commission should resign from it.

    What sort of idiot would define Protestantism to mean ‘supporting the right of the OO to march down the Garvaghy Road’? Around the world, I wouldn’t be surprised if a majority of Protestants would be against the OO marches. Anti-OO Protestants are a fact, as are Protestants on the Parades Commission.

    The OO could make a good argument in favour of more marches, but not until they sack liars like this man. Why do the OO go out of the way to lose arguments by letting idiots speak for them?