Zero Tolerance at Orange Parade (no, not in Belfast!!)

While I have no doubt it would go down like a lead balloon over here, the Scottish police have decided to take a zero tolerance approach to behaviour at parades. The decision followed on from last year’s parade when 20 people were arrested, 13 for sectarian breaches of the peace. It led to a peace pact being signed recently by the police, local authorities and politicians, as well as organisers of Orange and Republican marches.

No surprise as to the main cause of trouble: Police said the majority of those involved were well behaved, but they blamed alcohol for a notable deterioration in the behaviour of those observing the march as the day wore on. In all, 60 people were arrested, 12 for sectarian breaches and the rest for public order offences.

  • Rubicon

    It’s just amazing how these temperance bands seem to increase the sale of alcohol. Could it have something to do with the hatred they stir up requiring dutch courage?

    Comes back to the same point that so many threads before have suggested – the organisers of marches hold a public responsibility to leave the country in the state they found it before they played toy soldiers – or pay for it to be repaired (including all civil liabilities). Same applies for bonfires. Failure to do so should lead to refusals for permission to march (or burn) until public debts are paid.

    Simple! Have a hate fest, fly banners celebrating murderers and then pay up!

    Wasn’t Paisley offering his cheque book earlier this week? Well – there’s one recruit to this approach – eh?

  • Reader

    Rubicon: the organisers of marches hold a public responsibility to leave the country in the state they found it before they played toy soldiers – or pay for it to be repaired
    And the organisers of protests (or counter-protests, or sports events, or festivals) – would they have the same liabilities?

  • Rubicon

    Reader –

    Aren’t some sports events are already having policing costs levied? For me – the answer is “yes”.

    Festivals – yes.

    Protests – no so easy. It is a right to protest in a legal manner. A more logical policy is “buyer beware”. March through places where you are unwelcome and pay for the consequences. Deviate from agreed routes at your own risk. Fly terrorist banners on the ame basis.

    Protest is best dealt with by criminal law. The focus of civil liability should point to those organisations wishing to “organise”. Their exposure to fines would depend on the measures they took to avoid the risk of damage to property or person.

    You didn’t mention bonfires – but there too – “YES”.

  • TAFKABO

    I’d like to see Republicans held to account for the damages they have caused to the UK as a whole.

  • Rubicon

    TAFKABO – I sympathise more than you might think. Early release was the issue that I found most difficult in voting for the GFA. I was conned by the crap about the supposed ease of them being returned to prison. At this point not even active terrorists seem to face a custodial sentance.

    As regards reparations for the (so-called) “republican” campaign I can’t agree. Versailles didn’t work – Nuremburg was more successful.

  • Rubicon

    As was the Marshall Plan.

    The Germans didn’t refuse to rebuild nor did they ask others to do it on their behalf.

    Even in defeat the Germans seemed to retain a sense of responsibility and pride. What are the locals here doing?

    Sweet FA!

  • Prince Eoghan

    How nice.

    Glasgow and Belfast lowlifes, spewing hate onto my cities streets. Just think it will be Belfast’s turn soon.

    Quick head for the hills. What? you are all already there.

    I kept the kids close yesterday, made sure they were wearing nothing green. You know just another day, going out of my way to respect another peoples culture. Wait a minute, I thought they WERE my people.

    As you can tell I’m not bitter. When will all this shite stop?, the more we tolerate and keep quiet. You all know the rest.

  • Reader

    Rubicon: Protests – no so easy. It is a right to protest in a legal manner.
    Then the solution is simple. Turn all marches into protests. After all: if one type of peaceful assembly has intrinsic rights, and another doesn’t, just adopt the form with rights…
    Do you envisage any restrictions on the right to a peaceful, moving protest?
    By the way – I’m all in favour of sanctions on a march that breaches the conditions imposed on it by the Parades Commission – but I don’t think that a march that abides by the conditions should be penalised for trouble caused by protestors, or charged for policing the protest.

  • spice girl

    if the OO are going to have a future in NI thy are goin to have to sort their shit out. When I liver in Tyrone I went to many a parade and believe it or not the atmosphere was great – particuarly for church parades and the twelth, however I have had the misfortune of witnessing a coupe of recent parades in Belfast, and the story is quite different. Parimilitary style bands lead drunk younsters through the streets of Belfast – as I prod I felt intimidated!!! shocking! If the OO are the upstanding individuals that they claim to be they should simply refuse to take part in any parade with this type of parimilitary trappings – unacceptable to all!!! Furthermore, the cops should be arresting these scum bags and the parades commision should be blocking these parades from entering even prodestant areas on a basis of excitment to hatred!!
    But as for a group of bowler hat wearing grandas marching to church after a pipe band in the hills of south armagh – why not?

  • darth rumsfeld

    “While I have no doubt it would go down like a lead balloon over here, the Scottish police have decided to take a zero tolerance approach to behaviour at parades.”

    well, actually nothing would please decent orangemen more. The report you cite refers to the behaviour of spectators deteriorating due to alcohol-same problem here. So PSNI get the finger out and scoop the spides-you’re paid enough

  • Ranier

    ‘I’d like to see Republicans held to account for the damages they have caused to the UK as a whole’

    Wow look at that, a Unionist looking for a handout/compensation. Geez, what a suprise!

  • nmc

    ’I’d like to see Republicans held to account for the damages they have caused to the UK as a whole’

    And then we could talk about holding the OO to account for every march spanning back as far as we can remember, than maybe charging the descendants of King Billy for his incursion into Ireland.

    I could go on all day, but perhaps it’s better to talk about what to do in the present and future, as opposed to what we can’t do about the past.

  • I agree with Darth. Very often the hangers-on are noisy and drunk and many of us on parade would be very happy to see these characters cleared off the streets so we can enjoy an excellent melody band like Mourne Young Defenders.

    The wider issue concerns the unpleasant effect of strong drink in society as a whole, ranking second only to paramilitarism in terms of repulsiveness.