British/Irish omen…?

THERE were a few more hints about the possibility of British/Irish joint stewardship/authority yesterday. If you were cynical you’d almost think that there was a kind of ‘accidental’ symbolism about the British and Irish premiers being in Northern Ireland on the same day as the Irish head of state and a member of the British royal family. An uncanny coincidence! :o)

  • Crataegus

    Does anyone really care? If the local lads won’t take their own destiny into their own hands then who, or the question should also be asked should anyone?

    There is an Assembly, they are there to do a job, being paid for not doing it, should anyone step in to relieve them of that responsibility. For myself I wouldn’t bother and let the place slowly go to hell. Make no decisions that should be made in the Assembly and let people here see the consequence of who they elect. Removing responsibility is simply giving many of them a get out of jail free card. Come the next election no downside, if in limbo there could be hell to pay.

  • willis

    A mature electorate? Here’s hoping.

  • mickhall

    The attitude of the Unionist party’s, especially the DUP really does show a lack of confidence on their part, no need to get amongst those dirty Fenian’s as daddy will always bail them out. In any normal democratic system if the party with the most votes refused to enter government at the head of an administration, as is the case with the DUP, then the party which gained the next largest number of votes would be asked to step up to the plate to attempt to form an administration.

    This is clearly what should have been enshrined in the GFA and if it is not, then perhaps the two governments should insist it becomes so to avoid the type of deadlock we are currently experiencing. The British attitude is vital here, as historically it has always given way to Unionist intransigence. The whole point of the GFA or so the Brits claimed was that they would become independent arbiters, so they must now act as so.

    Why the UK taxpayer, the majority of whom do not live in the north of Ireland should continue to bank roll the Stormont layabouts is beyond me, there is either a Peace Process and partially devolved government or not. If not then duel authority between the ROI and UK is the only viable alternative, for not only would it be needed to give confidence to the nationalist minority in NI, but it just might put some ants in the pants of Mr Paisley and his pals and help them get their backsides into the 21st century.

    Finally I cannot help thinking that continuing DUP intransigence is being given a boost by that parties belief they may become all powerful at Westminister if there is a hung parliament come the next UK general election. Thus it is high time both Mr Blair and Cameron knocked any hopes of them being able to black mail the incoming government firmly on the head.

    Regards to all.

  • Yokel

    Yes Mickhall, knock those hopes….you clearly aren’t a politician. Alienate people who may help you get and/or hold on to power? Yes thats really clever…

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, they are waiting Blair out and they have spoken with Brown’s people. They’ll cut a deal..after Phoney Tony has left.

  • mickhall

    Yokel,

    How low you seem to set your bar for politicians, so if a politician does not place their own position before all else, then in your eyes they are unworthy of the name, is it any wonder we are in the main governed by opportunists and low lives.

    By the way, any thoughts on the meat of my email, instead of showing us what a bright fellow you are.

  • Mick Hall said:

    In any normal democratic system if the party with the most votes refused to enter government at the head of an administration, as is the case with the DUP, then the party which gained the next largest number of votes would be asked to step up to the plate to attempt to form an administration.

    This is clearly what should have been enshrined in the GFA and if it is not, then perhaps the two governments should insist it becomes so to avoid the type of deadlock we are currently experiencing.

    You seem to be arguing for majority rule and against parallel consent, if I’m not mistaken.

    Are you a unionist in disguise?! :o)

    Nice Freudian typo with “duel authority”, BTW!

  • Nora

    Mick Hall:

    I’m broadly (no pun) with you.
    But Gonzo made me smile.
    And that’s important. 🙂

  • hotdogx

    Mickhall you said:
    In any normal democratic system if the party with the most votes refused to enter government at the head of an administration, as is the case with the DUP, then the party which gained the next largest number of votes would be asked to step up to the plate to attempt to form an administration.

    This is clearly what should have been enshrined in the GFA and if it is not, then perhaps the two governments should insist it becomes so to avoid the type of deadlock we are currently experiencing.

    I think you are 100% correct in this, it would have guaranteed an all party presence within the assembly, can you imagine the dup stepping asside to alow the next biggest party into power? me neither! If this rule had been made part of GFA the whole nonsense with photos of decomissioning etc wouldn’t have taken as long as it did. I dont usually post on slugger, i usually just read but i saw this and i had to post!

  • lib2016

    The Conservative Party has enough problems trying to convey an image of responsibility and probity. This is not the Britain of 30 years ago that we are dealing with, nor even the unionist party of thirty years ago.

    Catholics form the largest single group of church attenders in modern Britain. You people really feel that Cameron would commit political suicide for himself AND his party by embracing people like Paisley and McCrea? You are quite, quite mad.

    This is as ludicrous as expecting Bush’s fundamentalist leanings to make him sympathetic to the DUP. Opus Dei has a majority on the Supreme Court, put there by Bush and the CoI is in full retreat from its links with the OO.

    Rightwing Christians of all denominations are coming together in the face of an increasingly secular world and the looming threat from Islam. The DUP and unionism are relics of a world that left them behind decades ago. You’ve lost the educated youth vote and they will continue to leave.

  • Crataegus

    Lib2016

    That last one brought images of the Omen and brightened up a rather dull start to the day.

    Islam will sort itself out, best to leave it alone. Alas we helped create the problem with our money and our destructive presence, but what does one do with Israel now there is a conundrum.

    IF you want to interfere best to financially support moderates and finance schools and hospitals than finance the militants as we have in the past. Do it from a distance and for once cut a deal with ‘decent people’ rather than the depraved. In other words do the opposite to what was done in NI.

    As for the DUP I doubt if it is relying on deals no their actions, or lack of, they have reasons to do with their ethos and positioning. The DUP has never been about taking risks so why should we expect any difference now? Post Paisley is when it gets interesting, patients!

  • Nevin

    [i]Post Paisley is when it gets interesting, patients![/i]

    Are Slugger ‘patients’ suffering from a physical or a mental condition, Crataegus?

  • Nevin

    Gonzo, I noted this ‘coincidence’ at the beginning of last week when I asked if the Queen could be far behind. I’d referred to the timing of the visits of Blair, Ahern and McAleese. Well the Queen didn’t come but Edward did.

    [i]”In this context, we also took the opportunity today to review progress on new partnership arrangements that would need to be put in place to ensure our effective joint stewardship of the Good Friday Agreement in the event that devolution does not take place by November 24. This work continues.[/i]

    New partnership arrangements, presumably, would indicate a new agreement. Would these arrangements be submitted to the electorate in the form of a referendum?

  • Crataegus

    Nevin

    Doctor just show patience with these patients. Mental illness take time to cure, and this sad case can neither spell nor type especially when negotiating the marmalade.

  • Nevin

    Crataegus,

    Typos can be fun. On another board, Eamonn_of_the_Banks _of_the_Bann gave us a few laughs with his Lough ‘Neigh’ – the largest horse trough in the British Isles.