Hearts and Minds

In light of the arrest of an alleged group of Islamic terrorists in Toronto, one Muslim group is encouraging Muslims to show their patriotism for Canada by wearing Maple Leaf pins. The group also met to discuss how to improve their work with disaffected youth attracted by a radical Islamic message. Meanwhile the brothers arrested in the botched raid in London have talked about their experience. Earlier in the week their family had called for Muslims not to support protests by extremist groups.

  • Brian Boru

    Things like this make me feel vindicated in my point on the thread about the end of assimilation.

  • abucs

    Thanks for the post Fair Deal.

    It is pleasing to hear some postive news on the islamic immigrant situation with regards to loyalty.

    Of course the problems that are being discussed, peculiar to them as well as the general ones are quite negative.

    On one hand i think that what is reported is very encouraging. On the other though the very fact that problems are being discussed in a sectarian forum shows another problem and reality of society today.

    In no way do i want to criticize Canadian muslims for that, as they are simply doing what each other group does and bands together for mutual support.

    I do think though that there is something gained and something lost with large number of minorities banding together.

    It is a chance to practice tolerance and diversity and to be educated in the ways of the world. It does broaden the mind and help to forge a society based on the knowledge and experience of a varied group of people.

    On the negative side though it can fracture and divide society creating a different set of values and power structures. This then causes much angst and a breakdown in the cohesiveness, respect and authority of that society.

    As we have seen in history, if it works it is very positive and beneficial. Where it doesn’t it ends in a total mess.

  • merrie

    The problem is that this won’t allay the suspicions of people who already distrust Muslims. Some of the 9/11 bombers were very Westernised. A maple leaf could be just another camouflage for some Muslims…

  • spartacus

    The problem is this won’t dissuade the large numbers of people in Britain, the US, Canada, and Ireland who have already embraced all the racist stereotypes about Muslims peddled by the mainstream media at the behest of warmongers, and who are immune to rational discussion. A tricolor/butcher’s apron/old glory could be just another camouflage for some bigots.

  • joeCanuck


    Get real. Someone from the muslim faith comes under suspicion by the Canadian authorities and is brought in for questioning. He points to his lapel flag and the interrogator says “Oh sorry mate, I didn’t notice that. i aplogize for bothering you. Off you go now.”

  • merrie

    Thx Joe & spartacus. I agree with both of you.

  • joeCanuck

    Martin Luther King:

    (selections from his “I have a dream speech”

    Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

    And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

    I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.”

    I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

    I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

    when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

    Free at last! Free at last!

    Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!

  • spartacus

    robert fisk on fair deal’s ‘alleged group of islamic terrorists’:

    ‘This has been a good week to be in Canada — or an awful week, depending on your point of view — to understand just how irretrievably biased and potentially racist the Canadian press has become. For, after the arrest of 17 Canadian Muslims on “terrorism” charges, the Toronto Globe and Mail and, to a slightly lesser extent, the National Post, have indulged in an orgy of finger-pointing that must reduce the chances of any fair trial and, at the same time, sow fear in the hearts of the country’s more than 700,000 Muslims. In fact, if I were a Canadian Muslim right now, I’d already be checking the airline timetables for a flight out of town. Or is that the purpose of this press campaign?’

    sadly, joe, we have slipped backwards, a long way, since mlk’s speech. a more appropriate quote might be found in his speech at riveside church on us crimes in vietnam:

    ‘Somehow this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor of Vietnam. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor of America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home and death and corruption in Vietnam. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as an American to the leaders of my own nation. The great initiative in this war is ours. The initiative to stop it must be ours.’

  • joeCanuck


    I remain (naively) an optimist for ireland.
    I take your point well about the Riverside speech. You only have to relace Vietnam with Iraq to know that the USA has a long way to go in their attitudes to other people’s so-called freedoms.

  • DK

    Well, good on the Canadian Muslims for at least trying. The maple leaf will not act as a deterent to arrest as, has been pointed out, a potential terrorist would wear it if it did.

    However, if I was a Canadian and I saw a lot of Muslims wearing maple leafs I would think “good for them” and my opinion of Muslims in Canada would be better. So the maple leaf is a good idea. Maybe Muslims in the UK could develop a ribbon or whatever to show that they too reject terrorism – it would surely improve the relations with the rest of the population. It would also help facilitate internal debate within the Muslim community, which is probably overdue/under-publicised.