Twice in 10 days

The Orange Order has revealed that Killygullib Orange Hall, petrol bombed on Friday night, was paint bombed ten days ago and was rebuilt two years ago after being badly vandalised. Like many halls in rural areas, it does not just serve as an Orange Hall but used by a playgroup, religious missions and other groups.

  • Aaron

    “Like many halls in rural areas, it does not just serve as an Orange Hall but used by a playgroup, religious missions and other groups.”

    Then why not rename it? Not defending the attacks at all, obviously.. but if it’s a community centre, then why not call a spade a spade and open it up to everyone?

  • Maybe this lot http://www.kilreagac.com are on a losing streak and take it out on the closest Orange Hall they can find 😉

  • m

    So what was with the car chase, attack and police escort?

    Very strange sounding sequence of events.

    ‘Vigilantes‘?

  • Ex UUP

    Then why not rename it? – aaron

    Please enough of the anti-orangism

  • m

    I hope these Orange Order halls are being not publicly funded for ‘playgroups’.

    An organisation like the OO meets no equality objective for funding, hence the British buying them off with de-rating.

    Why should normal taxpayers legitimise this religious sect?

    If you want Protestant Orange Halls supported by playgroups, pay yourselves.

    State and Church should be separate. If you want to brainwash kids, pay yourselves!

  • Aaron

    “Please enough of the anti-orangism”

    I don’t think I was being anti-Orange.. was a perfectly reasonable question.

  • JohnkingII

    Enough of these Irish Launguage Schools If you want to brainwash kids, pay yourselves!

  • headmelter

    why did this item ‘deserve’ a blog of its own when it was included in a previous blog incorporating a suspected sectarian assault in Antrim?

  • mm

    m

    “meets no equality objective ”

    Why should normal taxpayers legitimise this religious sect? ”

    are you referring to catholic maintained schools ????

    “If you want to brainwash kids”

    ahh maybe christain brothers ??

  • Dualta

    It’s very telling how a thread on sectarianism gives rise to a load of sectarian squabbling. Stop accusing the other side of sectarianism adn address your own.

    Attacks on Orange Halls are commonplace as are attacks on Protestant churches in interface areas. I need only mention the Protestant church on the Stewartstown Road in Belfast, near the Poleglass Roundabout. I used to hang out around there and it was forever being hit with sectarian graffiti. That’s only one example of many which have been attacked over the years.

    It’s time that Nationalists and Republicans faced up to the sectarianism within our own community, and then the constant complaining about the sectarianism within the Protestant/Unionist community would not reek of pathetic hypocrisy.

  • reality check

    Dualta-yes the nationalist/republican community has some problem with sectarianism but itd only on a small scale.compare it to the sectarian murders the uda/uvf/lvf have committed since the 1994 ceasefires.the uda fronted pipebomb campaign in larne of catholic homes,etc…

  • pid

    It’s all very simple really.

    Attacking Orange halls is wrong, and stupid, and bad.

  • Dualta

    Reality check.

    I’m an advocate of nonviolence, which means that I believe that if you act positively towards others they will, in time, react positively.

    I cannot conceive of another way to end sectarianism here. Certainly, constantly harping on about the sectarianism of the other side just makes matters worse.

    If you fight fire with fire, the flames only grow bigger and more and more of us get burned. Fight fire with the waters of nonviolence and the fire goes out.

    I guarantee, that if Nationalists made a concerted effort to rid ourselves of our sectarianism the result would be that many within the Unionist community would reciprocate.

    I’d like to hear some alternatives if anyone has any.

  • reality check

    if the orange order wasn’t so blantantly sectarian and provocative their wouldn’t be half the problems with parades deemed contentious

  • Harry

    “if Nationalists made a concerted effort to rid ourselves of our sectarianism the result would be that many within the Unionist community would reciprocate.”

    How charmingly naive.

    I’m an advocate of nonviolence, which means that I believe that if you act positively towards others they will, in time, react positively.

    I have often noticed that if you respect others – without fear – then most people, even the toughest, will respect you back. It is one of the optimistic things about life that most people just want to be recognised, witnessed as it were. It is rare to meet a truly malevolent person and when you do you don’t forget it.

  • darth rumsfeld

    Not a lot of respect for the Orange order on this thread harry

  • Dualta

    Harry

    [i]How charmingly naive. [/i]

    Then you go on to say this:

    [i]I have often noticed that if you respect others – without fear – then most people, even the toughest, will respect you back.[/i]

    If we understand the concept of respect similarly the we are more or less saying the same thing. The only difference is what tone we take when we say it.

  • Steve

    Not a lot of respect for the Orange order on this thread harry

    Remind me why we should respect an organisation that exists solely to undermine another faith? And even treats women as second class citizens?

    Y’know, there’s tolerance and there’s tolerance.

  • Ciaran Irvine

    I guarantee, that if Nationalists made a concerted effort to rid ourselves of our sectarianism the result would be that many within the Unionist community would reciprocate.

    I think that is a) sweetie mice b) self-flagellating victim-blaming c) ludicrously naive and d) doing things for entirely wrong-headed reasons, which rarely works out well.

    We should tackle sectarianism within our community plainly and simply because it is the right thing to do and because sectarianism is, by definition, inimical and fundamentally opposed to the basic doctrine of the national project (I cite Tone and all that).

    And for no other reason. I don’t give a damn if Unionists even notice, never mind reciprocate (yeah, as if Unionist sectarianism is some sort of “reaction” to nationalist sectarianism)

    Likewise, the PIRA were persuaded to stop their campaign because it was the right thing to do, innocent people were dying with no hope of a military resolution, it was holding the whole country back both in terms of image and economy, and because 95% of the nationalist electorate demanded it. What Unionism thinks of the development doesn’t interest me in the slightest, and their opinion should not in any way form part of the equation on whether an end to the Provo campaign was good for nationalist Ireland.

    Do things for the right reasons, and things tend to work out in the end. Do them for the wrong reasons and you get nowhere.

  • Caulfield

    Dualta
    Somebody speaking sense on one of these fora at last!
    Good man yer da

  • Dualta

    Ciaran Irvine said:

    [i]I think that is a) sweetie mice b) self-flagellating victim-blaming c) ludicrously naive and d) doing things for entirely wrong-headed reasons, which rarely works out well.
    [/i]

    Ciaran, I didn’t say why we should do it, I just stated what I think one of the results would be if we did. We are in agreement regarding why we should tackle sectarianism within our own community. You must have misread my post.

    You did the very same thing as Harry did earlier in the thread. You dismissed my post in the rudest terms and then you go on to make the same basic arguments that I made.

  • darth rumsfeld

    “Remind me why we should respect an organisation that exists solely to undermine another faith? And even treats women as second class citizens?”

    Excuse me, we’re not talking about the Muslim faith on this thread, so please take your frankly racist views elsewhere.

    “Y’know, there’s tolerance and there’s tolerance.”

    No- there’s only tolerance. Where you make your mistake is assuming you should only tolerate things you like, when actually tolerance is for the things you loathe (obviously the England football team are excluded from this definition)

  • Harry

    How can you lecture someone on tolerance in the name of the OO with a straight face?
    This OO that you demand tolerance for is gearing up for how many marches through nationalist residential areas exactly over the coming months?

  • darth rumsfeld

    “This OO that you demand tolerance for is gearing up for how many marches through nationalist residential areas exactly over the coming months?”

    Er, none, actually. But as you avoid the issue of tolerating those you obviously don’t like, perhaps you might also deny tolerance to those many GAA clubs holding games or other events in “unionist residential areas” (however one defines the politics of a house/street is one little problem I’ll leave to your ghettoisong mindset)?
    Just in case you really haven’t followed the past five years of slugger, I’ll briefly repeat those facts that everyone else has read an infinitum-

    1.Most parades are to and from churches, and have followed the same routes for over a century
    2. Most 12th of July demos are in commercial town or village centres-neutral space, as everyone used to concede. These also follow a rota established in many cases two hundred years ago.Thus Bessbrook has a parade roughly once every 12 years- hardly in yer face coat trailing
    3.There are perhaps a dozen areas where the local Shinners have galvanised opposition, with varying degrees of spontaneity from locals- by sheer coincidence, in many of these areas- e.g. Kilrea, Strabane, Bellaghy,Dungiven, Crumlin, the locals happily undergo all the inconveniences of parades for “their own sort”.

  • Bill Strong

    “Like many halls in rural areas, it does not just serve as an Orange Hall but used by a playgroup, religious missions and other groups.”

    Damaging those halls is wrong, and stupid. Indeed, one day the Orange Order may decide to make a quantum leap into the 21st century and then the halls can be used for a lot of things. Only 20 or so years ago, Catholics were not admitted to dances in a (Church of Ireland) Parochial Hall in a Midlands town I know well. Now Catholic children (and maybe those of other faiths too) are going to Irish dancing lessons in the building. Times change, and enlightened people change with them. Down our way, it makes no difference whether you dig with the right or the left foot in the garden of cultivating community relations and pooling facilities.

  • Stephen Copeland

    Posted by darth rumsfeld on Jun 13, 2006 @ 04:31 PM

    A depressing reminder of how far the Orange Order and friends still have to travel.

  • fair_deal

    m

    “vigilantes”

    I got a update from my father on the attack on the van.

    Three members of a flute band were returning home in a van that broke down. While waiting for mechanical help to arrive the van was boxed in when a car handbreaked turned in front of the van and another did the same behind. The occupants of the two cars then got out and proceeded to attack the van and occupants. Uniforms were stolen and burnt.

    The possible connection with the Orange Hall attack is that it is thought the occupants of the cars could have been responsible for it too.