Irish Police believe bullets the IRA’s

Garda Siochana believe 10,000 Armalite rounds found in Sligo on 1st June are the IRA’s. A Police spokesperson said:

“there is a lot of stuff still out there unaccounted for”
Paisley Jnr seems to be jumping to conclusions but who was behind the fuel laundering operation disrupted by a Customs operation. However, the large quantities of toxic waste put pay to the lie that it is a victimless crime because it is only the Exchequer losing out. The environmental damage costs us all and puts human health at risk.

  • CS Parnell

    If you DUP were clever they wouldn’t get into all this knee-jerk rejectionist nonsense but instead go to the committee and just ask the Shinners to explain what they really meant by “not a bullet, not an ounce”?

  • T.Ruth

    The likelihood is that there are significant quantities of arms etc.still in the possession of the IRA.There is certainly a continuation of IRA involvement in all kinds of criminality.
    The DUP position is justifiable because whatever is the level of criminality at the moment of admitting Sinn Fein into the Executive level of government will be that level of crime which will be endemic in our society well into the foreseeable future.
    Asking for all involved in government at the Executive level to keep and respect the Law of the land and support the PSNI as the price of membership seems not an unreasonable demand by the Unionist majority in Northern Ireland.It really is time for Sinn Fein to accept that after years of being associated with the destruction of the province it is time to make a positive contribution by espousing peaceful constuctive democratic politics.
    T.Ruth.

  • inuit_goddess

    Not to mention the cost to the Exchequer costs us all and results in hard-working families paying more in taxes, to subsidise republican smuggling and fuel laundering operations.

    T.Ruth I disagree that unionists should wait until the last IRA shoplifter has been caught before entering govt with Sinn Fein.

    There has been massive decommissioning; the ability of the IRA to make war has been definitively removed from the equation here. For the first time ever in history republicans have decommissioned their war machine. (and it’s not like ‘they could re-arm within a week’ as some numpties keep saying, it doesn’t work like that at all in the post 9/11 world)

    There are issues surrounding criminality which need to be resolved beforehand – but we in Unionism must accept that, in the not too distant future, we must take responsibility for Northern Ireland’s future into our own hands, and share power with the representatives of the minority community.

    Sinn Fein are those representatives and one day soon we’re going to need to sit down around the cabinet table with them. Northern Ireland, and the Union, will be stronger for it.

    That said, I don’t at all trust the DUP not to take to just cop-out and take refuge in their bombastic rhetoric whilst we become a joint-authority condominium run by faceless Dublin/London bureaucrats.

    Perhaps that was the price Unionism paid in the Nov 2003 election? Short-term comfort with the DUP hard-boys, but long-term stalemate, and corrosion of the Union.

  • Cahal

    “That said, I don’t at all trust the DUP not to take to just cop-out and take refuge in their bombastic rhetoric whilst we become a joint-authority condominium run by faceless Dublin/London bureaucrats. ”

    As opposed to the current situation where the 6 counties are governed by faceless London bureaucrats.

    The concept of Northern Ireland has failed for over 80 years. Nothing unionists can do will salvage that.

  • Mickaline

    T. Ruth

    “The likelihood is that there are significant quantities of arms etc.still in the possession of the IRA.”

    Not necessarily. When the IRA decommissioned and verifiably gave up their arms, they were giving up what the IRA knew they had. Are there pistols and ammunition left over, that were stolen and hidden years ago? Probably, but nothing even a fraction of what the IRA gave up. You’re delusional if you think otherwise!

    “There is certainly a continuation of IRA involvement in all kinds of criminality.”

    Noooo, what possibly still exists is, former IRA individuals dabbling in the criminal trade, having nothing to do with actual IRA involvement. Though as a unionist, I can see how you would like to paint the above picture to suit the ongoing rejectionist agenda.

    You need to understand, T. Ruth, that living in a modern society (though NI is still a bit archaic), there will always be some element of criminal activity on both sides of the divide. It will never go away, and again, if you insist on thinking that it will or should, you’re being delusional.

    “The DUP position is justifiable because whatever is the level of criminality at the moment of admitting Sinn Fein into the Executive level of government will be that level of crime which will be endemic in our society well into the foreseeable future.”

    See above!!

  • weemarty

    they havent gone away you know . true today as it was then.

  • Brian Boru

    First of all it had already been warned about by the IICD that some armaments may have slipped into the hands of the dissidents. I would also add that 10,000 rounds of ammo is very small compared to the Provo’s original arms cache. On the fuel-smuggling issue, how different in moral terms is it from Northerners travelling South to escape UK fuel-duty, which is already rife and has been for years?

  • heck

    Here we go again!! The UVF is still shooting people. Honest Tony’s storm troopers are still engaged in an illegal and immoral war in the Middle East killing thousands of innocent Iraqis civilians. There have been revelations about the British government making human bombs out of its own employees (which, judging from unionist reaction to the Maguiness claim they believe!!).

    And what is getting you upset? Some rusty bullets were found buried in the ground decades ago.

    And even worst –those godless fenians – well they’ve polluted a stream in South Armagh.

    forget the psni/uup/uvf murders!
    forget Honest Tony’s murders!
    forget state collusion in sectarian murders!

    it’s the fenians cheating on excise tax-that’s the real problem – and if anyone says anything different –well that’s just whataboutery.

    Give it a break fair deal.

  • Brian Boru

    In the US they say its not the guns who kill its the people.

  • SlugFest

    “In the US they say its not the guns who kill its the people.”

    Not exactly. Gun advocates say that … those for gun control DON’T.

  • Pat Mc Larnon

    It should not be too hard for the Gardai to give an indication of how long these bullets(if they exist) have been buried in the ground. Given that post 1987 the main field rifle in the armoury of the IRA was the AK47, which uses a different calibre of ammunition, then these bullets could have been in the ground for anything up to twenty years.

    That being the case, the person who put them there may even be dead. Thus they may have been overlooked when the decommissioning acts were put together.

  • Nic

    Brian Boru, you assert that: “10,000 rounds of ammo is very small compared to the Provo’s original arms cache”. First of all, what do you mean by “original”? 1969 or 2004?
    And what are you basing that on anyway? The IRA have been paranoically secretive about letting anyone disclose exactly what they “decommissioned”, so I’d love to know how you know what you know. If indeed you know what you know and it’s not just the spin talking.
    My second point is that every time we see more evidence of provo bad faith, be it in decommissioning or civil criminality, there is a steady stream of “sensible” commentators finding a hundred excuses why it’s nothing to get upset about. Mickaline above goes so far as to post this: “living in a modern society (though NI is still a bit archaic), there will always be some element of criminal activity on both sides of the divide. It will never go away, and again, if you insist on thinking that it will or should, you’re being delusional.”
    Now to start with, a “modern” society, by which I take you to mean a first world democracy, doesn’t have one “divide”, but several positions on various issues which get resolved by debate and argument within the framework of an establishment that all support 100% above their other disputes. In other words, they have their differences on various issues but they’re united in supporting their state.
    But that’s not the real problem in this type of post, of which there are far too many.
    The real problem is pushing the notion that bands living outside the law and sponsoring political parties is somehow “normal”.
    It’s not. And until you get it sorted out, you can’t move on. Sure, you can talk around it til the cows come home, go out, come home, go out and come home again, but it isn’t going to go away. You know?

  • Miss Fitz

    I’m sorry, I really can’t help making a comment here….

    I went to an Garda Siochana website to see if there was any corroboration on this story, but the only thing I found out is that they have the most amazing Orange website. Every page is Orange, it’s well worth a peek! And the content is like something out of a Frank Kelly sketch…

    http://www.garda.ie/angarda/home.html

  • Biffo, Portarlington

    Heck gets it pretty well right. They will always find an excuse if they look hard enough. Goodness, I know a family of Sinn Fein supporters and am certain they have no TV licence. Should I cut off all connections with them? And, tut tut, a couple of their sons smoke hash!

    It’s amazing how the rejectionist Unionists have gone from arrogant self-righteous supremacy to whining self-righteous victimhood in just a few years. They sense the game is up for them and there will be no going back to the “good old days” of gerrymandering, discrimination against Catholics, the B-Specials, multiple votes for the chosen and none at all for the inferior natives, but they still have not quite taken it on board. What a pity they can’t take a leaf from the Afrikaners’ book. I would never have believed 20 years ago that they would be capable of changing their attitudes the way they have, and I take my hat off to them for having done it. The rejectionist Unionists, by contrast, grasp at every little straw in their vain hopes that somehow things will go back to what they were. Time for them, beginning with the Ayatollah of Ballymena, to get with the programme. Parity of esteem is the name of the game. They can demonise the other side as much as they want, but they are only harming everyone’s interests by sabotaging the bodies that will bring better governance to Northern Ireland and the cross-border institutions that will benefit everyone on the island if they are allowed to work. It makes no difference whether or not the IRA or its former members have a few guns. Weapons are just about the easiest thing to get hold of on this planet, unfortunately, and therefore the only way forward is to create the social conditions in which few if any people will feel a need for them.

  • M. Gibbs, Chicago

    For sheer reliability, the Garda Siochana is way up there with the Beano. Or doesn’t the word “Donegal” ring a bell?

  • Beancounter

    10,000 rounds? Hardly much of an arsenal. For example, the US occupation forces in Iraq have expended 1 million rounds for every Iraqi they have killed. Or so CNN reports anyway.

  • Biffo, Portarlington

    Miss Fitz, thanks for that info. Alarmed and horrified, I checked out the Garda Site, but (although my colour vision is not that great), I think it’s more yellow. That reminds me of an incident in the town square in Portarlington when I was a kid long ago. Oliver J. Flanagan, the local Fine Gael TD, was addressing a crowd from the platform of a lorry during an election campaign in the 1950s. Eamon de Valera was the Taoiseach at the time. Oliver J said: “De Valera reminds me of a banana.” Pregnant silence, until a fellow in the crowd shouted: “Whadda ye mean, Oliver J?” Then came the reply: “He started off green, then he turned yella, but he’s still crooked.”

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Slugfest: “Not exactly. Gun advocates say that … those for gun control DON’T. ”

    And what do they know about guns?

  • Miss Fitz

    Biffo
    Oliver J was my local TD growing up too, and he was a great man for the ‘spakes’ as we would have said. I’ve quoted him before, as he is great when you’re looking for something utterly incorrect politically.
    ‘Where there’s bees there’s honey, where there’s Jews, there’s money’ and so forth!
    Nice to see a fellow Laois peron here, we can both laugh at them all when we win the All Ireland, if we can still laugh when we’re that old

  • friendlyCreggan

    “Garda Siochana believe 10,000 Armalite rounds found in Sligo on 1st June are the IRA’s”

    That’s all we need, more excuses for the DUP on why they won’t get the Assembly up and running.

    When was the last time that Armalites (M16s) were used in the North?

  • heck

    Biffo, Portarlington

    don’t be telling people you know a shinner who does’nt have a TV license.

    The next thing that will happen is that we will have John Aldershite from the not so indepedent monitoring commision reporting on “a culture of criminality” in the fenian communities.

    Screw the fact that the british government have been protecting a PSNI/UVF thug who is reported to have murdered up to 20 people. The problem will be fenians who don’t pay a TV license fee to the BRITISH broadcasting corporation.

  • friendlyCreggan

    Good post heck

    This place is so backward at times, it’s beyond comprehension.

    The IMC can report on what it ‘believes’ but doesn’t have to name it’s sources- and before any Unionist or Loyalist gets on their high horse, I mean for ALL ‘sides’

    Meanwhile this IMC will cost US who live here an absolute fortune- wait until we see the figures paid out for this fiasco

    You jest about the TV license but it is actually possible for the IMC to say ‘we believe that Republicans are still involved in criminality’ and that could be that ‘Mr X’ who once served time in the Kesh was convicted for drink driving!

    Meanwhile….a certain Mr Haddock can allegedly kill 21 people and remain as an employee of the Special Branch

    We’ve come a long way

  • darth rumsfeld

    tut tut
    all the provo pseuds queuing up to tell us this story doesn’t really matter, decommisioning is symbolic, and sure it’s only 10,000 bullets- sure that’d hardly graze a baby’s knee.

    Well folks, it wasn’t Unionists who said the IRA had completely disarmed. It was..er, the IRA. So unfortunate when they get caught redhanded like that- it means you have to bluster harder about 1169, the Penal laws, the 1918 general election and anything else to avoid the issue.

    Why not exercise some of those talents for hysteria in denouncing the widow of Garda Mccabe for having the temerity to interrupt St Gerry’s epistle to the Bostonians on another thread? Don’t be squeamish- you can dish it out to the prods- why not to the families of the Brit-loving imperialist lackeys of the Free State. Or might that show you up as being in a sad club of inadequates numbering about ten, tasked by Connolly House to post on slugger cos they can’t even find a use for you putting posters on lamp posts? (it’ll be worth getting a yellow card for this)

  • Harry

    “it means you have to bluster harder about 1169, the Penal laws, the 1918 general election and anything else to avoid the issue.”

    What about the approx. 150,000 guns and millions of rounds of ammunition currently held by the unionist community?

  • SlugFest

    Dread Cthulhu: “And what do they know about guns?”

    that they kill people.

  • DK

    Harry is after the farmers again….