Spy story rumbles on…

Martin McGuinnessAs David Vance points out the Sunday World story on Martin McGuinness is now moved to the Daily Telegraph, who appear to have had sight of the same document the Sunday World had. McGuinness is not named in the document, but former British spy handler ‘Martin Ingram’ claims that the code name J118 refers to him. So far it is simply one man’s accusation against another. But whatever it’s veracity, it will do McGuinness (one of Sinn Fein’s most able public players before the collapse of Stormont) no favours.

  • Busty Brenda

    taigs,

    ‘the bogside canary’

    LOL LOL.

  • Fair Deal, even McGuinness is claiming the DUP are behind this. The DUP don’t want to sit with the Provos and exposing the Brits’ top Provo into the bargain is a big giant F U to Blair and company. Do you think they got the message?

  • briso

    Taigs:Time to shuffle off the mortal coil Martin. Go fishing. In Donegal.

    Disgusting, shameful post.

  • Northsider

    Malachi O Doherty poured cold water on it today on Talk Back – interestingly, he speaks for many when he says the real questions should be asked of Martin Ingram – who is he, what is his agenda?

    Oh, and Slugger got a name-check as well!

  • Briso:
    I personally think killing people is “wrong” as Martin would say, or disgusting, shamaeful” as you might say, even if it is a war situation of the Bard of Bogside might say.
    South Armagh was proclaimed an area of beauty. The link below is from a South Armagh picture but maybe don’t look at it as you might find it disgusting and shameful. It is only a picture, of some mother’s son.
    “Another” tout, Sean O’Callaghan, with the grandiose title of OC Southern Brigade or some other BS, admitted to whacking a tout in Munster. That tout’s daughter committed suicide. Was that as disgusting and shameful as my comment? How about Tom Oliver?
    If you think McGuinness has any role to play, maybe that is disgusting and shameful. He already takes the Saxon shilling, so what is your complaint. That the hooker is not doing enough for the money?
    McGuinness played by Big Boys’ rules. Live by the double edged sword……
    http://www.uladh.com/gallery/v/Politicians/south_armagh_tout.jpg.html

  • Sobs Levitas, “its an attempt to set [McGuinness] up – either politically or physically (God Forbid…)”; “Taigs: ‘Time to shuffle off the mortal coil Martin. Go fishing. In Donegal’ – Disgusting, shameful post”, wails Briso. More, more! The very idea of someone murdering Martin McGuinness, why I’m shocked, shocked I tells ya. I mean, Murder. Martin McGuinness . . . murder. I’m still trying to get my head round it – m.u.r.d.e.r.s., and, “MARTIN McGUNNESS”. Who could ever have put that word with that name in the same sentance? Well, that way round at any rate.

  • briso

    Taigs: I personally think killing people is “wrong”

    I personally think your post advocated it. At least Rove is honest about what he thinks.

  • Uh, Briso, my post was trying, through the international language of Oirony, to point out that you and your maundering kind are morally blind MOPErs of the worst sort. Remind me again, your objection to people, eg laughing Marty McG, being violently killed because one disagrees with his opinions is what now?

  • briso

    Because I believe taking the life of another human being to be morally wrong.

  • Loyalist

    briso

    Yet you retrospecively endorse the killing of nearly 2300 people by voting Sinn Fein.

  • Briso

    briso: Yet you retrospecively endorse the killing of nearly 2300 people by voting Sinn Fein.

    Do I know you? How do you know who I vote for?

  • Loyalist

    briso

    I apologise and shall re-phrase. Yet a majority of nationalists in Northern Ireland, retrospectively endorse the murder of nearly 2300 people by voting Sinn Fein. I have no doubt that McGuinness PERSONALLY order dozens of these murders, and if he goes the same way Donaldson did, there wont be a Unionist in Ulster to shed any tears for him. The man is evil personified.

  • And if McGuinness did any of this with the knowledge and approval of his British handlers?

  • On the subject of touts, just heard Mark Haddock has been shot.

  • briso

    >I apologise and shall re-phrase.
    Accepted. Forget it.

    >Yet a majority of nationalists in Northern
    >Ireland, retrospectively endorse the murder of
    >nearly 2300 people by voting Sinn Fein.

    This is a whole other thread, but your opinion is perfectly valid and plainly expressed.

    >I have no doubt that McGuinness PERSONALLY
    >order dozens of these murders,

    I don’t even think this is a matter for discussion. MMcG was in the IRA in 1972. At some time after this he may or may not have left the IRA but he has never accepted any fault in the IRA’s actions except that which they publicly apologised for. ALL Sinn Fein and IRA members accept equal responsibility for what happened during the troubles in their name. Gerry Adams stated this publicly on TV on a number of occasions. For this reason, the exact role of MMcG in the murder of Patsy Gillespie is irrelevant to me. He is responsible, as he is for the Brighton bomb, Bloody Friday etc etc.

    >and if he goes the same way Donaldson did,
    >there wont be a Unionist in Ulster to shed any >tears for him. The man is evil personified.

    Well, maybe I’m morally blind, but even talking in these terms about the death of another human being is making me feel ill.

    The thing is, nothing has changed after these ‘so-called’ revelations except that now it’s being claimed he was working for the British to emasculate the IRA. Does this make it more or less difficult for unionists to ‘shed any tears for him’? And if the murder of Patsy Gillespie was instigated by ‘G’, do we learn something new about McGuinness or the British?

  • briso

    Karl Rove:
    >Uh, Briso, my post was trying, through the
    >international language of Oirony, to point out
    >that you and your maundering kind are morally
    >blind MOPErs of the worst sort. Remind me
    >again, your objection to people, eg laughing
    >Marty McG, being violently killed because one
    >disagrees with his opinions is what now?

    Still stand by this post do you Karl? You’ve no objection to MMcG being violently killed and I remain a ‘morally blind MOPEr of the worst sort’?
    You certainly know how to do ‘Oirony’.

  • Myles the Mick

    Ooooo! The Fairy tales of N Ireland .Martin my son

  • Myles the Mick

    Out side of N, lala, land, .No one cares ,or do you think the world evolve,s ,around you sorry lot .There is far too much going on in the world .Some one please buy a Calendar,the year is 2006 not 1690 or 1916 .ENOUGH PLEASE

  • Briso: Loyalist makes some valid points from a Loyalist/UUP/UVF/CoI viewpoint. I suggest you read them.
    Everyone is not equally morally guilty however. Some are more guilty that others. This was established at the Nuremberg War Crimes trials: the German High Command (Army Council/Ard Comhhairle of SFIRA), the SS (not RUC but ISU/IRA in this case) all got special mention and longer/heavier sentences. Why should the IRA be any different?
    The whole SFIRA campaign has been a lie. Thousands died so Martin could abolish the 11 plus (which he could not pass). Ever read Falls Memories by one Gerry Adams? An interesting part in it has him chuckling/gloating whilst some building is burned down (our revenge will be the laughter of our children). These people were just social climbers with bombs. They have probably destroyed any hcance of Irish unity in the next 100 years. They have played the DUP/FPC line all along. Nothing new there. So “off with their heads”.

    And don’t play the sanctity of human life argument. When Gerry Martin etc joined the URA, thye were told the only roads led to jail or an early grave. (according to Darkie Hughes). So, should everyone kiss and make up now? Except the dead of course. Necrophiles apart.

    If Martin is 1 million per cent sure he has nothing to hide, let him agree to taking truth indicing drugs and being publicly interrogated on the airwaves by IRA/MI5.

    Tichfaidh ar la and and all that.

  • Briso

    Taigs: They have played the DUP/FPC line all along. Nothing new there. So “off with their heads”.

    Not only have you repeated your advocation of murder, it seems this is not because of what the IRA did, which was all in the public domain anyway, but because you believe this new allegation that they were working for the British/DUP/FPC(who they?).

    As I say, shameful, disgusting. God knows what one has to say to get a yellow card around here.

  • Concerned Loyalist

    “Warrior”, the North Antrim/Londonderry Brigade UDA magazine published in February stated that “Art Garfunkel” McGuinness was a tout and an MI6 double-agent! lol. OH WHAT FUN US LOYALIST DOUBLE-AGENTS ARE HAVING NOW….we aren’t the only people being used by the NIO.