United in grief…

A picture and those thousand words. From PA/BBC.

  • Fair play to these young kids for setting a fine example. In some ways, players of Rangers and Celtic could have shouldered the coffin to show that life and kids’ dreams are more important than a game. Gina McIlveen’s photo in the same report shows the strain got through.

  • Rubicon

    Great picture – one to keep and view when it all seems lost.

  • Free Agent

    Now that the point has been made, its time to throw those sectarian shirts from Glasgow in the bin as the ultimate mark of respect to the McIlveen family. Lets stop this pretence right now that anyone here is supporting a Glaswegian football team becuase of their appreciation of the quality of the football and not for the very sectarian reasons that resulted in this tragedy.

  • missfitz

    Or, maybe more constructively, we could look at what those shirts mean to the kids, and how their identity is so closely tied to them.

    I dont have it to hand, but anyone with a real interest should read the COTTS book (costs of the troubles survey).

    Children as young as 4 and 5 are able to identify which football shirt ‘belongs’ to them.

    So, we cant throw them away, but we can look at being postivie, constructive and having leadership in our communities making positive points about football affiliation

  • Stephen Copeland

    Football teams and their shirts are only proxies, and as such are irrelevant.

    It is the intolerance of other people’s identities that is the problem, and even if you ban football shirts some other ‘marker’ will arise. It is the intolerance we need to rid ourselves of, not the shirts.

    I don’t know how to do it, and I have pondered long and hard. I have looked at other divided societies in the hope of inspiration, but I have never found it. Even societies that have ‘cured’ their splits do not appear to provide useful lessons for Northern Ireland. It is truly one of humankind’s ‘isolates’.

  • Wouldn’t it be great if we could all listen to Van Morrisson (not that crap he did with the Chieftains) and live life as it meant to be lived. When the caravan moves on, I wonder who will remember Gina McIlveen? Those kids are a credit to their parents. It is a great chance for Rangers and Celtic to do something positive.

  • elfinto

    The Celtic-Rangers element of this story is tacky in the extreme. It is cringeworthy. Is that what our society has been reduced to?

  • Elfinto: They’re 15 year old kids, not middle aged politicians who’ve been on a 3 year break. These unpaid kids deserve more respect than most paid leaders.

  • CS Parnell

    elfinto, you don’t know your history! Flags and Emblems Act, Street Names Act? 1964 election riots (those really made Paisley’s name). Gervaghy Road.

    These are all about symbols and an unwillingness to accept the legitimacy of the other lot’s identity. Why are half the streets of Belfast covered with flgas for half the year?

    As John Hume was apt to say, its not Ireland we need to unite, it’s the people who live in Ireland.

    A willingness to accept we are different and that one side is not wrong and the other right (which isn’t the same as saying they’re-all-as-bad-as-each-other) would be a start.

    Sadly history – not least the circumstances in which Northern Ireland came into being – have conspired against us on that one.

    The one big step taken towards that was the GFA, which at least indicated the signatories had accepted de jure that the other side’s arguments and identity could be legitimately presented.

    But we’ve gone back in many ways since then.

  • BogExile

    ‘The Celtic-Rangers element of this story is tacky in the extreme. It is cringeworthy. Is that what our society has been reduced to?’

    But it has a visceral and real tribal meaning for far too many young people. Look beyond the photo op. Sport has the power to unite people as well as divide them. Perhaps the old firm need to acknowledge some peripheral part in this tragedy and contribute to a healing process. How about a real Ballymena United FC.

  • BogExile

    ‘stephen.
    the only thing that can possibly bring an end to it is to break the connection with england.ireland unfree shall never be at peace.’

    And it’s not a day for agit-prop drivel either.

  • Alan Law

    ’stephen.
    the only thing that can possibly bring an end to it is to break the connection with england.ireland unfree shall never be at peace.’

    That’ll be the England where the city of Glasgow is situated???

    Maybe it’ll be seen as real progress when those wearing the Rangers tops swap with those wearing the Celtic ones.

    This story is more complex than has been revealed those accused of murder are both catholic and protestant.

  • SpiceGirls

    alan
    ‘This story is more complex than has been revealed those accused of murder are both catholic and protestant.’

    have there been any reports of this?

    Re celtic and gers:
    tacky yes, but I agree it is a way young people can convey their revulsion at this act. Sad thing is that the only reaosn people support these teams is to declare their national identity – I doubt many of these so called suppoerters can even name their squads, never mind been to a game. Personally I think we should all support Bolton.

  • missfitz

    Dr Paisley claimed in Parliament that the killers were from both religious backgrounds, but little more appears to have been reported on this

  • Stephen Copeland

    Dr Paisley claimed in Parliament that the killers were from both religious backgrounds, but little more appears to have been reported on this

    Only two have been named (Aaron Wallace and Christopher Kerr) and both of them are Protestant. The only underage suspect whose name I know is also Protestant. I think Paisley might be referring to their parental backgrounds, and hinting that one of the others might have had a Catholic parent – given that one of them (AFAIK) is English-born it may be him, and his ‘catholicism’ might be nothing to do with our own little squabble. In any case, it is all heresay, and will remain so, as most of the ones arrested will remain un-named until long after this has died down.

    Paaisley may, on the othert hand, have been trying to muddy the waters by ‘hinting’ that this was a sort of gang thing rather than a sectarian thing. If so, shame on him – it reminds me of Trimble’s infamous indirect ‘defence’ of the killers of some guy in Antrim by trying to smear him aas a drug-dealeer.