Sane Man

For those in the MTV generation who don’t want to follow Mick’s suggestion of some books to feed the mind, how about some moving images instead? Discovered this today, the re-mastered unedited film of the Sane Man set by comedy legend Bill Hicks (plus previously unreleased early material).

  • Bought it. It’s quite inspired, but the edgy editing will make you a completely insane man.

  • Canadian

    The best comedian EVER!!!

  • Revelations was orrsome.
    I bet he was poisoned though 🙁

  • smirkyspice

    FD brilliant recommendation thanks very much, will buy for my hubby’s upcoming birthday 🙂

  • esmereldavillalobos

    As some sluggerites may know I’m a huge fan of all things Hicks – cheers FD, though I’m not sure what the doc or his cronies would make of the material ;).

    The goat boy rises…

  • fair_deal

    esmer

    “though I’m not sure what the doc or his cronies would make of the material ;). ”

    They don’t know what they are missing. Listening to criticism is good most especially it is hilarious and intellectually stimulating even better. I thought by now it was clear I am not automaton either.

  • esmereldavillalobos

    It was playful rather than pointed FD – thanks again for the info, have already placed my order 🙂

  • fair_deal

    Nae fash esmerelda

  • esmereldavillalobos

    My personal favourite at present is Confession Time (COPS) from Rant In E-Minor – “He didn’t mean to hit me, Officer…” but it changes quite regularly. I wonder if other sluggerites have a favourite item from the Hicks armoury?

  • fair_deal

    The LA riots/right of way law

  • Chris Donnelly

    All-Time Hicks favourite:

    “What you readin’ for?” encounter with Waffle waitress, followed by ‘Forgive me’ riposte to irate hillbilly christians, upset at his mocking of christianity in the same sketch.

    The ‘available for Christmas parties’ line following one of his hilariously disturbing rants about suckers of Satan’s ‘you know what’ was another priceless moment.

    Guy was a legend.

  • TAFKABO

    The guy was a hebephiliac, a mysogynist and a homophobe.
    If you’ve heard him belittle a woman in the audience by screaming the word c*nt repeatedly at her, or suggesting that the guy sitting next to her stick his c*ck in her mouth to shut her up, you might not be quite so enamoured with Mr Hicks as Y’all currently appear to be.

    Sure, he could be funny, but the way some people talk about him as some kind of messianic figure is pathetic.

    No doubt, all you marketing types out there will be reading this post and immediately think that I’m just going for that cynicism dollar

  • esmereldavillalobos

    TAFKABO

    The guy was a hebephiliac, a mysogynist and a homophobe.

    Some evidence to back up these (so far) unsubstantiated statements might be nice. I do wonder what this woman did to provoke Bill’s ire – a random heckle perhaps? The legendary “Hitler had the right idea” heckle response demonstrates his dark side to those he considered to be trying to ruin his act through random drunken shouting (see Rant In E-Minor for more sanitised reactions), people trying to stop him doing a job he thought was very important.

    Messiah? No. Prophet? Perhaps. It certainly seemed spiritual to him at times from the coverage I’ve seen. At the end of the day, they are just jokes (Bill’s words) and he was a comedian – take the hyperbole as comedic license and you may feel differently.

  • TAFKABO

    Some evidence to back up these (so far) unsubstantiated statements might be nice.

    Excuse me?

    Are you taking the piss?

    Screaming the word C*nt in the pejorative at a woman, and then suggesting someone shut her up by forcing themselves into her mouth is about as pure an example of mysogny as you can get.

    His disgust at people like fruity little George Michael is Homophobia.

    His various Goatboy skits are hebephilia, especially the one he did for Channel four in which he set out to shock the audience be describing in detail what he thought of sixteen year olds.

    Now, if you want to claim that it’s all just part of the act and a joke, then I wonder if your think the same about Bernard Mannings racist comments?


    Prophet
    ?

    How the f*ck was he a prophet?
    His entire political argument was that all governments are bad, all drugs are good.

  • esmereldavillalobos

    Excuse me?

    Are you taking the piss?

    No, no, TAFKABO. You made 3 statements about this man (who I need hardly remind you, is not around to defend himself) and only gave some flimsy evidence to support one of them. If you’re going to debate, at least let me know the grounds. Also the reference to bodily fluid is hardly required, I’ll put it down to the late hour.

    Certainly his reaction to this woman was extreme and I have tried to demonstrate that he reacted in this manner a lot (“… kill ’em all Adolf…”, praying for nuclear holocaust etc) to his audience. He knew this too telling his audiences how he was going to “comedy death” by “telling us you hate us” and introduced his show as a “show of hate” on occasion. You knew what you were getting. He also accused WWF wrestlers of being homosexual paedophiles (Flying Saucer Tour, Pittsburgh) and took to his own family and Texan religious roots with particular bile. I got the jokes, maybe you didn’t. I did ask you what this woman had done to incur Bill’s wrath – you declined to respond. I must therefore assume one of the following:

    1. He did it totally unprovoked.
    2. She provoked him.
    3. You don’t know.

    I think you can work out which one I think it is.

    He stood up for pro-choice rights on the abortion issue, hardly misogyny.
    Bill’s female manager (Colleen McGarr) may contend with you on the misogyny allegation as well. Oh and to paraphrase Bill, I don’t think you should accuse someone of misogyny without being able to spell it.

    His disgust at people like fruity little George Michael is Homophobia.

    As I recall, George was not ‘out’ during Bill’s lifetime so the accusation is not really valid. He also accused variously Rush Limbaugh, Jesse Helms, Ronald Reagan, WWF etc of being “fairies” despite evidence to the contrary. He did a skit on “Love, Laughter and Truth” regarding a children’s book called “Heather’s Two Mommies” which he held in rather high regard. Bill liked homosexual women! Interesting. Bill was unflinchingly liberal in outlook politically when right wing Republicans ruled – including sexuality. He also advocated homosexuals being allowed to join the army (albeit that this was on the basis that anyone “dumb enough” to want in should be allowed in) – hardly homophobia.

    His various Goatboy skits are hebephilia, especially the one he did for Channel four in which he set out to shock the audience be describing in detail what he thought of sixteen year olds.

    Last time I looked a consenting sexual relationship with a female of 16 years of age was legal. I also note that you say he set out to shock the audience – at least you admit this was for shock value. If the girls had been described as 18 would this have eased your conscience? It got on Channel 4 in the early very PC 90’s – they didn’t seem to have a problem with it. I don’t think you have much of a point here. I don’t have a problem with Bernard Manning saying what he likes, I just don’t find him funny. I don’t agree with all Bill said either having never taken illegal drugs but I’ll defend his right to say it.

    How the f*ck was he a prophet?

    Maybe prophet was a bit of hyperbole on my part but his material on the first gulf war is certainly still relevant now. I also pointed out in agreement with you that he was no Messiah but you chose to ignore this. Once again I’m quite disappointed with your choice of vocabulary – “How was he a prophet?” would have been just as effective.

    His entire political argument was that all governments are bad, all drugs are good.

    Not quite – he certainly didn’t like alcohol much. His points was that drug addicts are sick, not criminals and that some people can use drugs recreationally and not murder, rape or steal. True statements or not? As for governments, I can’t argue with that but it certainly was not his whole philosophy.

    I have read your posts regularly, usually with interest. I assume you are tired or angry or both to post with such vitriol and unimaginative swearing. I think you can (and usually do) do better.

    Regards.

  • TAFKABO

    No, no, TAFKABO. You made 3 statements about this man (who I need hardly remind you, is not around to defend himself) and only gave some flimsy evidence to support one of them. If you’re going to debate, at least let me know the grounds. Also the reference to bodily fluid is hardly required, I’ll put it down to the late hour.

    I gave examples for every single one of my claims.
    If you disagree with thise examples, fine, but don’t say I didn’t give them.
    And please, the idea that you are getting offended at me including the word piss, whilst you are defending Bill Hicks comedy…….it’s irony, on a basic level, as Bill might say.

    So I misspelled misogyny, sue me.
    I like the way you are asking if a woman provoked him to screm the word c*nt at her over and over, before suggesting the man sitting next to her commit a sexual aassult in order to silence her.

    I don’t need to ask anyone else what they thought of him in regards to misogyny, I’ve got a recording of him engaging in misogyny.

    Whether one is out or not is irrelevant.Hicks attacked someone because Hicks percieved him to be gay, that’s still homophobia.

  • esmereldavillalobos

    As you are well aware TAFKABO, you made those 3 claims in your first post on this thread with no evidence to back them up and as you are also no doubt aware, this was the post I was referring to. To suggest otherwise is very disingenuous.

    I also made no reference to being offended at your choice of language – what I did find disappointing was the verbal aggression with reference to me in your post. It was quite clear I was not “taking the piss?” as you so eloquently termed it. You brought up taking offence, not me. I have a thicker skin than that, I just prefer discussing a topic without resorting to the four letter words, that’s all.

    You still haven’t told me why Bill wanted this woman silenced (it must be clear I do not have this recording). I still do not believe Bill would go off on one without the slightest provocation. I suggest you either don’t know or don’t want to tell me – fine, your choice. Was it “You Suck!” perhaps after she “…would not shut up.” (p124 “American Scream: The Bill Hicks Story by Cynthia True. Sidgwick & Jackson 2002)? The alleged sexual assault suggestion well, you say you’ve heard it, I haven’t.

    “For the record,” Bill said as he greeted the audience, “and let’s not mince words because our lives depend only on truth, George Michael is…a…big…girl.”
    Bill’s real issue with Michael (other than his music) was that he was now doing Diet Coke commercials. It made him sick. What kind of rock star would do such a thing? “Even Madonna fucking hawked real Coke. You little puss“.
    (Same page reference above)

    Drunk heckler & advertising or misogyny & homophobia?

    It’s good to know there are people out there policing misogyny and homophobia in this way. If anyone else is reading this (and I’m sure it’s just our private spat now) I’m certain they can make up their own minds.

    I note there is no disagreement with the major substance of post 15.

    Night shift finished, off to bed.

  • TAFKABO

    esmereldavillalobos

    I’m sorry if you think this is a spat, I thought it was just a frank exchange of views.
    I say are you taking the piss as a figure of speech, it wasn’t meant as an insult.

    I’m going to try and get the clip I’m talking about and I’ll send it to you by MP3 if you’d like.

    ( I probably have lots of stuff you’d like).

    Here’s my point.

    Just because someone provokes you, it doesn’t give you license to be hateful.
    Now, let’s take a hypothetical example.
    You’re up on stage doing your act and some asshole starts ruining your set by interrupting and shouting something lame like you suck or freebird, over and over again.

    So, you go to town on them and let rip with everything you have.

    Perfectly justified you might say, but let’s add something else into the mix.
    Say the drunken asshole who is interrupting your set happens to be black.
    Can you repeatedly call them n****r ?
    Or suggest some rednecks take them outside and lynch them?

    You get my point?

    It wasn’t a black person, it was a woman.

    Bills reaction to this woman was misogynism, and I don’t accept that one can resort to misogyny when provoked.

  • esmereldavillalobos

    I think you’ve articulated your point well – I accept Bill may have had misogynistic feelings towards this particular woman, I do not accept this was a theme running through his material or a view which he held with any conviction. His act usually consisted of his lack of understanding of women, his abject failure with the opposite sex when he was trying to be a nice guy and his perplexion at women who stay with wife beaters or marry death row mass-murderers. I don’t know if he did this repeatedly, unfortunately I never saw him live due to my tender years at the time. I’d imagine he was some sight in full flow.

    No, I don’t think you can use n****r.

    If this is just his alleged misogynism we’re left with, I think I can live with that.

    Regards.