policing the police

Henry McDonald in the Observer, adds some detail to an incident from 13th April when an EasyJet pilot turned the plane around after passengers started fighting en route to Newcastle from Belfast and, after landing safely, refused to let 10 of those involved back on board. Despite the pilot taking this action, the men, who were, according to the BBC, from Northern Ireland and England – were only given a warning by police at Belfast airport before being released. According to the Observer, it now appears that among the men involved were serving police officers from north-east England.. and no charges have been brought.. yet.

  • elfinto

    Pete,
    The link to the Observer does not work.

  • Pete Baker

    Ta, Fintan.. it should work now.

  • The Devil

    That’s a damned disgrace, Orde should be forced to resign if he’s not prepared to sack the officers that did not prosecute these stinking thugs.

    ordinary folk would feel the full force of the law… with no exceptions

  • Shore Road Resident

    A complete disgrace.
    Good work by Henry McDonald – why didn’t any other journalist pursue what was obviously a very suspect decision not to prosecute?

  • elfinto

    The same goes for the Whiterock Orangemen II fiasco.

    There must be tranparency and accountability on these issues. Over to the Police Board. Can it deliver or is it just another performing poodle?

  • Shore Road Resident

    Wasn’t the Whiterock fiasco the PPS’s fault?

  • elfinto

    link

    [edited link – Moderator]

  • Shore Road Resident

    I can’t say that link was particularly illuminating. The PSNI hasn’t been responsible for prosecutions since the CPS was replaced with the PPS – isn’t that correct? If the cops got the paperwork in on time then surely it’s the PPS’s fault for not bringing the cases to court?
    Which is not to say that the PSNI aren’t apparently at fault for the incident relating to this thread.

  • ingram

    Hi,

    Come on have you never scratched another mans itchy spot, a bit like Gerry did when his close relatives were caught .

    Martin

  • elfinto

    We’re discussing policing here, Martin. Away and write another book.

    http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/irish_news/arts2006/apr15_riot_charges_dropped.php

    You might find this more illuminating, SRR. The PSNI and PPS cocked it up between them.

    If it happened once, it could be a blunder, but TWICE, it’s a scandal.

    It’s worth repeating:
    There must be transparency and accountability on these issues. Over to the Police Board. Can it deliver or is it just another performing poodle?

  • ingram

    Elffie,

    Just making the point.

    Marty

  • elfinto

    Come on have you never scratched another mans itchy spot?

    No. Sounds like some kind of British Army intiation ritual.

    Stop trolling Marty.

  • Bmac

    Small but important technical point. The Airport Police are responsible for policing the Airport and any incidents that occur “airside”. Nothing to do with Orde and his boys

  • willis

    Good point Bmac

    Who is in charge of them then?

  • elfinto

    The Flying Squad

    Boom boom

  • topdeckomnibus

    My friend, the late John Allen, and I were instrumental in bringing about the change from Police Complaints Authority to Police Complaints Commission. To begin to erode the power of Chief constables to refuse complaint, against officers, investigatory status.

    I find Martin’s comment quite chilling. It calls to mind the words of an investigating Det sgt, on the Stephens inquiry, that FRU had no concept of the rule of law.

    I recently came across another story that I think did not make the press. A Transit full of police laid into two tramps and threw them up a side alley … telling them crawl away from this town.

    The two tramps were a Det Inspector and Detective sergeant from the porn squad. But so ferocious and immediate was the attack that they had no chance to identify themselves.

    A bit like one who was caught. Pc Hills in Margate. Broke a hadcuffed prisoner neck.

    (John Allen was already after him for other alleged violence and refusals of crime complaints against him).

    On being found guilty of breaking the prisoner neck and falsifying police reports. the Judge asked Hills (who described himself as a Thanet street warrior !)if he wanted segregation in prison. Hills refused. He informed the judge that “Any criminal offering me violence will be given a severe fight”.

    The Judge struggled to try to get him to comprehend that he was a criminal. He did not see it that way. In his own mind he was a street warrior for whom his mates had not come across with appropriate back scratching.

    I speak now with people who used to work in the Kent mines (as did Topdeck …) and they tell me that they wish they could go back to 84 and get the chance again. The reason they did not fight the police was the carrot of redundancy pay … if they got arrested then they became unemployed and would lose the generous redundancy payoffs they all knew were in prospect.

    But now, all these years on, they think again. Oh just to have told the NCB to poke the job and then get out there and see what the Old Bill could do against opposition.

  • ingram

    Quote”I find Martin’s comment quite chilling. It calls to mind the words of an investigating Det sgt, on the Stephens inquiry, that FRU had no concept of the rule of law.

    Unlike you I have helped the Stevens team, cast your mind back a few years to a front page in a Sunday Newspaper, when it reported correctly that I led them to crates of documents which after 12 years they had failed to locate. The Stevens inquiry could not feel a collar in Primark, they are the last people to make any comments about upholding the law, a bunch of muppets.

    Martin